Talk:West Coast hip-hop

Deleted the last 3 sections

On the grounds that it's all uncited (sounds like someone went "Oh, hey, this song sounds like (insert musician here)! better put it in influences!), and on top of that, there's nothing in there that can't be found in the "list of west coast rappers" article. Also, having a "Search for it on Youtube" section is just stupid. 99.110.54.111 (talk)

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Some East Sider's have hacked this article, someone has to fix it. All through it are slanted comments and backwards citations?? The whole thing screams East Side.

Why does this article discuss rappers but not the style of West Coast hip hop? What are the values presented? These things are at least as important as the people that rap about them and they should be added.

ATTN: Please stop adding EMINEM to this page. He's been added and removed at least twice to the list of artists. He was born in Missouri, came up in Detroit and STILL LIVES IN DETROIT. YES HE WORKS WITH DRE THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE IS WEST COAST. Ralphredimix 01:53, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Can someone add a section about the emergence of Sacremento as a California/West Coast hip-hop epicenter? I know there's fans of the Soulsides Crew out there, do one of you want to step up? I feel that this article could use a LOT of additions and cleanup. Despite what I've already added and what MTV culture may think, WCHH is about more than The Game and 2Pac. Ralphredimix 19:54, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Ras Kass. Xzibit. Probably the two best Westcoast Rappers...--Tainted Drifter 18:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I gave them mentions, but didn't go into detail about them. --Ted87 20:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok the way the article is right now it portrays west coast as a part of rap that was popular about a decade and a half ago. They only talk about what happened in the past century and after that it's alternative west coast. In case someone forgot, the three albums that made album of the year on the Billboard 200 were from Aftermath Entertainment, a west coast label. And they were albums of the year in the mid 2000s so im pretty sure it's worthy of mention.--Francopedorro (talk) 02:40, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

What is wrong?

I'm sorry but i just read the article and i thought it was great and very informative, what does the notice on the top refer to?

- The notice at the top just means that the tone is too informal. It is not written in encyclopedia style.

• The first paragraph seems a little problematic, but other than that, does this article need the notice? Razer64 19:21, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
  • I agree, the article doesn't seem too informal to me. I will remove the tag, until someone posts otherwise in this discussion page. Mushin 15:51, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

• the Game...not much longevity w/ this guy. I'd leave him out.

-This section has left out Tupac in his role in bringing west coast hip hop to its height of popularity.

D12 isnt part of the west coast

flesh-n-bone westcoast????, WTF!, he's from the midwest!

whoever added eminem needs their map of america out in front of 'em... Tachante 22:57, November 12 2005 (UTC)

Maybe I'm just a naïve white guy--but Tupac is listed on both. Is this possible?

Who wrote the section on NWA? It's terrible! Check your dates, buddy. You say 1988's Straight out of Compton was influenced by the sucess of MC Hammer (who didn't acheive success until Please Hammer Don't Hurt Him *1990*). Trust me, Eazy E wasn't listening to a bootleg tape of MC Hammer, bro. Same with DU and CH. Both those rap groups are post NWA. I'll see what I can do.

• in the interest of making a vague movement in the direction of less formality, i stuck quotes around 'yay,' cuz there's no other explanation in the article as to why "bay area" is spellt wrong.

 i stopped short of linking it to a cocaine subculture article instead of to the bay area's page...

I NEED HELP - Does anybody remember these lyrics - contender, retreat, as we defeat the weak, make them reverse forever down a one way street - it was out on radio in the uk on Choice FM in the early 90's it had one rapper who was quite young and refered to GCSE's in the song and also had a female backing singer. If so please email me on sharksinthedeep@blueyonder.co.uk Thanks

Tupac west or east

I cant see any way Tupac can be considered east coast rapper. He lived and represented west coast rap during his music career. He was on west coast side during the claimed west vs. east coast war. This article is about music not about origins of rappers. Why are people unsure about what coast he represents when he continuely represented the west coast as can be proven by his interviews/lyrics etc.? Anyone agree or oppose? Tutmosis 20:04, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

2pac is a west coast rapper born on the east coast. the same way too short is a bay area rapper born in L.A.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumac (talk • contribs)

Rewrite 3rd section

I think we need to rewrite the third section of this article (east vs. west (again)) for several reasons. I don't see how this is and East vs. West Thing. You've got G-Unit going against BWS. That is only 2 crews and you call it and East vs. West feud? The BWS is barly in envolved (with the exception of Game) and when they are they are just dissing 50 Cent on mixtapes. G-Unit never recognozes those guys. Plus the beef lasted about 10 months and it's dieing down. Plus these guys are on the same label (Aftermath/Interscope) so what you really have is interlabel beef. And to top it off this beef isn't even mentioned in the East Coast hip hop article, so why does it get a whole section in this one? I think a much better angle to go at is something like "The Next Generation" or "The New West Coast." Where you focus on the young cats getting the shine like Bishop Lamont, Glasses Malone, Lil Eazy, Crooked I, I-Rocc, Guerilla Black, Sly Boogy, Eastwood, and Techniec. New dudes trying to make a break in the rap Game instead of just focusing on one aspect of the current state of west coast rap. It's not even stated how The Game affected WC hip hop. If somebody dosen't respond or change it soon I will. And I don't want to do it all by myself (wikipedia is better done collectivly), because it should be a group effort, but I can if I must. Ted87 02:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

No responses? After one month from original post date I'm changing it so give your input now. Ted87 19:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Third Coast Rap?

Why doesn't anyone write about the 3rd coast? Middle america, midwest hiphop? It is a small but growing movement in the states. Some say it started by getting drunk on liquid codeine and booze and writing songs, very chill. Lets see some representation... —This unsigned comment was added by 140.141.10.8 (talk • contribs) .

There is an article on Midwest rap (not a very good one, but it's a start). Check out American hip hop for all the articles of diffrent regions of rap and subgenres. And by the way, Texas is refered to as the Third Coast, not the Midwest. --Ted87 23:03, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

There are artists from the midwest but they haven't really formed a movement. Plus they don't really identify themselves with their region. You never hear any rapper shouting "MIIDDWESSSTT!" Drumac 07:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

They do shout "Detroit", which is in the Midwest. --- 72.142.212.28 21:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

West Coast Hip Hop Lables

Can there be a west coast hip hop lable section on this page? I saw that east coast hip hop has one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.22.182.21 (talk) 06:27, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

southern domination

It is believed by a lot of people that Southern hip hop is "controlling the market" and i take exception to that. While they are certainly getting the most airplay, if you take a look at the numbers, most of them aren't selling any albums. The biggest southern artist right now is probably T.I., who hasn't gone multi-platinum yet. 66.167.204.57 21:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Who actually buys cd's these days? Radio play and downloads could be a more accurate measure of who is controlling the market. If you sell 1 million cd's and i sell 500,000 but i get 10 million downloads and you get 1 million..... Dogabutila (talk) 16:49, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

this may be true but Dirty West often used by 40 glocc wich means West coast is coming back on its own —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.203.243 (talk) 09:17, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

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All Eyez on Me album cover

The old pic was deleted. The new one is Image:Alleyezonme.jpg (leave link cold, otherwise pic will show up on talk page) if anyone cares to put it back. I already updated the fair use and everything. -Wakamusha (talk) 01:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I just decided to take care of it myself. Problem solved. -Wakamusha (talk) 01:47, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Do Not Change It

Don't delete that well typed page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.117.111 (talk) 02:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Stop!!!

Stop deleting text from the article and adding those worthless full of spam external links!!! Dawid S Swierczek (talk) 04:55, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

What is wrong with you people?!! Deleting most of the article and adding some shitty links? What is that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 23pokrzywa (talk • contribs) 04:21, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I had a quick look at the edit history and I really don't get why the whole article keeps getting almost completely deleted. Yes it wasn't that well written and there were barely any sources, but this revert shit doesn't help. Surely just remove anything contentious and add sources for (or tag) the rest. A long article with few citations is better than two crappy sentances. Pidz (talk) 01:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

This Article Needs Some Serious Work

nah. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.136.156 (talk) 01:36, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring

I'd leave a warning for the kid who keeps adding back all this original research and violating WP:NOR, but their IP address keeps changing so its pointless. I hope an admin steps up and protects the article from future childish editing. JBsupreme (talk) 20:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Having reverted you twice (86.44.xx.xx), I also hope an admin steps up. A look at the edit history shows an astonishing history of edit-warring by JBsupreme. He has been reverted by several registered editors and several families of IPs. He has an ignorance of the topic which leads him somehow to believe that anything unsourced is therefore original research, including basic facts common to all sources. He also declines throughout to source anything himself.

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From a knowledgeable editor, such a pattern of editing would be aggressive to the point of disruption, but from one operating without the most basic background in the topic area, it is a bad joke. I certainly won't be rewarding such vandalistic, willful philistinism by sourcing the original article with JBsupreme unrestrained. 86.44.21.185 (talk) 18:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

We have a verifiability policy. Its over at WP:V. I suggest you read it. JBsupreme (talk) 15:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I suggest you read it. 86.44.55.181 (talk) 21:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

ORLY? In a nutshell: Material challenged or likely to be challenged, and all quotations, must be attributed to a reliable, published source. Wikipedia operates on verifiability, not truth. JBsupreme (talk) 22:06, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

So what now? Does their have to be a link which proves that this is hip hop then? what about music? its stupid, some things are implicit and obvious and sourcing them would simply be wasting wikipedia's disc space. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Francopedorro (talk • contribs) 02:46, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Help with references/sources

I'm trying to work on getting this article to GA/FA one day, but it's pretty hard finding references to articles that focus mainly on West Coast hip hop and its history. If anyone knows any sites I should check out for more information, I'd appreciate it if you could let me know about it, or them. Thanx! WikiGuy86 (talk) 21:02, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

There's an unfortunate shortage of online material. There are a number of decent books, however, starting with Jeff Chang's "Can't Stop, Won't Stop," which has a pretty good accounting of the early days of west coast rap in the NWA / Dr. Dre era. Unfortunately, he really doesn't say much about the later east coast-west coast divide, in particular the Biggie/Tupac split. - PianoDan (talk) 13:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Eazy-E

Eazy-E is the person that single handedly put East Coast on the plate and served them to themselves. So I think Eazy-E should be in the West coast pioneers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.58.71.39 (talk) 18:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Kraftwerk

you gotta get real here i never heard of these guys being west coast hip hop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.139.45.154 (talk) 05:46, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

West Coast Rap as Protest?

There is a strong element of protest in a lot of the songs that the West Coast Rappers did - dealing with the corruption of the LA Police, among other things. It wasn't all just about "violence." Also, there was quite a lot of controversy to these songs, and none of the things I'm mentioning here have anything written about them. Any takers? Hires an editor (talk) 18:00, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

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Erasure or invisibilifying women's contribution and presence in early West Coast scene

Is it me or are there NO female artists, NO DJs, NO MCs or rappers, and none of the controversies around gender listed in this article. In the 50th anniversary of hip hop, let's change this!

Where is Yo-Yo? sheridanford (talk) 00:15, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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Hip-Hop's Most Wanted

VEVO Presented "Hip-Hop's Most Wanted" Speaking of Every Thursday Morning at 8 in the morning, block of music videos from throwback west coast hip hop music videos. 71.247.208.187 (talk) 19:32, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

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