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Spoilers

The summaries of the books are unexpectedly thorough and contains spoiler for the story rather than just giving an overview. This is probably not what a casual reader expects. I think it would be good if they were changed to a more general overview or that at least a warning is included. At least that was my first thought after reading them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.97.222.102 (talk) 00:42, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The character descriptions also contain spoilers, because in several cases they tell how and where the characters die. Oddly, there's no mention that Hal, her boyfriend at the Academy, turns up in one of the books. (No, I won't say which, because I don't want to add yet another spoiler while complaining about them.)JDZeff (talk) 03:07, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I personally come here because I want the spoilers. I prefer to know a general outline of the story and whether I'm going to like it before I waste my time reading it. I respect your right to not want spoilers, and have no objection to a declaration that spoilers are here, or some way of hiding them, but please do not expect to remove a description from an encyclopedia because you want to be surprised :). These descriptions belong here, just you will find spoilers in the wikipedia articles describing episodes of TV shows. Chaleur (talk) 17:54, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

comment

I will work on this as and when I can, and would welcome contributions. I have currently read the first two books and am trying to locate the third. I will add material to the Vatta's War Sandbox as I find the time, and will update this page only when I complete sections.--Steven.gilberd 12:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved personal comment to Talk page. I'll also try and add some more infor to the article. Eluchil404 15:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable Sources

I am still looking for better sources than the internet reviews linked at the bottom of the page. If anyone has suggstions, I'd love to hear them or just add anything you find to the article yourself. Eluchil404 01:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merger

I have proposed that the articles on the seperate volumes be merged into the main article on Vatta's War. Given the level of notability of the series I think that it makes sense to cover it with one summary article rather than in 3-5 articles containing plot summaries of each book. If/when the main article gets to long daughters can be branched off but until that time, there is no need for dupliation. If no one objects I will preform the merger myself in one to two weeks. Eluchil404 00:39, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved the alternate cover art to the main article and converted the seperate articles into redirects. I did not find the plot summary or publication data needed merging. It is still availilbe in the page histories if anyone wants to have a look. Eluchil404 01:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Full names

Thanks to everyone who has been copyediting the article. I obviously can't spell. I do however have a query on the latest changes. I had purposely left out the full names of all the characters except Ky. Do others think it better to included them when known? Eluchil404 16:17, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's important to fill out full names of Characters when known, as there really are no extensive resources (that is in comparison to larger wikipedia articles on other book series') such as individual character profiles for users to go to for more information on the characters (yet). So in my view, the least we can offer are full names. Zathman 04:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that Gordon Martin is formerly a Staff Sergeant in the Slotter Key Spaceforce, (see Trading In Danger), as he was former Slotter Key Embassy security. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.223.125.147 (talk) 20:52, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I concur; Gordon Martin was Staff Sergeant for the Slotter Key consul on Belinta. DTavona 20:48, 29 March 2009

Fan Community?

Are there vattaverse fan sites to add to the article yet? Is there even a "vattaverse" yet? Marty4286 09:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not to my knowledge. The only place I've found fans of Moon's work congregating in numbers is at Elizabeth Moon's Newsgroup, sff.people.elizabeth-moon. However, if you do come by one that is established and active - then by all means feel free to post a link to it. Zathman 22:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Short Story in an Anthology?

I saw a brief reference somewhere to a Vatta-based short story Moon wrote in an anthology of some kind. A title for this and a plot summary would be handy. --24.80.120.179 (talk) 05:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing is listed as such on http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Elizabeth_Moon , but there are four short pieces in the 2003–08 period, beside a couple of novel excerpts.

—WWoods (talk) 14:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seperate articles

Is there a particular reason why these books are all lumped into a single article, when similar series such as the Vorkosigan Saga have an article for each book? If we split them up then sections for reception and whatnot could be added. At present the big gaps between sections looks very awkward. Euchrid (talk) 02:07, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New Vatta Book

Moon, after almost ten years, has just published another novel in the Vatta Series. Cold Welcome (April 2017, DelRey) is described as the first book of "Vatta's Peace". It takes place soon after the conclusion of Victory Conditions, continuing the trials and tribulations of Ky. I'm not literate enough to write a review of the new book, but somebody ought to. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.177.0.103 (talk) 12:24, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I added a brief mention of the new book in the Vatta's Peace series in the introduction. Davidreid (talk) 08:41, 11 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Extreme politeness

In the section on Engaging the Enemy, it's stated that the Moscoe Confederation is so rigidly polite that gross discourtesy is a capital offense. However, in the book itself, this is only true in the Cascadia system, and Rafe later takes advantage of this when he's in disguise on Nexus. JDZeff (talk) 21:32, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

I am having trouble finding SIGCOV-meeting discussion of this series. @Cunard @Daranios @Siroxo, @TompaDompa, @ReaderofthePack. Individual books may likely be notable - some reviews are listed here already (but in weird format and of unclear reliablity), but ISFDb shows each volume got a review in Analog, and some got reviews in Locus, Vector and some other outlets. Still, would be nice to find something that would all us to keep this page? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:33, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a start. A couple from Talk:Elizabeth Moon § Notability of Familias Regnant universe/The Serrano Legacy series had some coverage.

~70 words in Women in Science Fiction and Fantasy by Robin Anne Reid published by Greenwood Publishing Group [1]
200+ words in Aggressive Fictions: Reading the Contemporary American Novel by Kathryn Hume from Cornell University Press [2]
~100 words in 100 Most Popular Science Fiction Authors: Biographical Sketches and Bibliographies by Heaphy, Maura from Bloomsbury Academic [3]
~400 words in Contemporary Authors New Revision Series vol 286, published by Gale (publisher) [4] (This source is not as helpful as the others, but it's at least a signal)

—siro χ o 04:26, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For the first book, Trading in Danger:

Review in SF Reviews (unclear if reliable).
Review in Kirkus Reviews (reliable).
Review in SF Site (reliable).
Review in The Book Smugglers (winner of the 2020 Hugo Award for Best Fanzine, which I would say means reliable).
Review in Fantasy Literature (unclear if reliable).

I would also note that if the individual books are notable (and at least the first one definitely is, just based on a quick search), keeping this page in lieu of having a separate articles for each book is a perfectly valid WP:NOPAGE option. TompaDompa (talk) 04:46, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A quick note: I wouldn't really rely on Kirkus for reviews. They're a trade publication and there has been some pushback on AfD when it comes to using trade reviews. The other sources look generally good so I'm not terribly worried, but I just wanted to pass along the info about trades. I both agree and disagree with the trade debate - some of them really are questionable while others (like Booklist and Horn Book Guide) should absolutely be considered reliable. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:14, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]