Talk:Richard Keble

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Fellow of All Souls

The editorial notes in Letters from Dorothy Osborne to Sir William Temple

An Act of Parliament to abolish the Chancery was indeed passed in the August of this year. Well may Lord Keble sore lament, and the rest of the world rejoice, at such news. Joseph Keble was a well-known law reporter, a son of Serjeant Richard Keble. He was a Fellow of All Souls, and a Bencher of Gray's Inn; and, furthermore, was one of the Lords Commissioners of the Great Seal from 1648-1654. There was "some debate," says Whitelocke, "whether they should be styled 'Commissioners' or 'Lords Commissioners,' " and though the word Lords was far less acceptable at this time than formerly, yet that they might not seem to lessen their own authority, nor the honour of their office constituted by them, they voted the title to be "Lords Commissioners."
— Osborne Temple, Dorothy (2008), Letters from Dorothy Osborne to Sir William Temple, 1652-54, BiblioBazaar, LLC, p. 148, ISBN 978-0-55-921545-2 Also available from http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/osborne/letters/letters.html

The note was to explain three of sentences in Letter 37:

I know not whether he goes on with it; but 'tis such a one as will not become anything less than a lord. And there is a talk as if the Chancery were going down; if so, his title goes with it, I think. 'Twill be sad news for my Lord Keble's son; he will have nothing left to say when "my Lord, my father," is taken from him.

As can be seen, the note states that Richard Keble was a "Fellow of All Souls, and a Bencher of Gray's Inn; and, furthermore, was one of the Lords Commissioners of the Great Seal from 1648-1654" However the dates for Keeper of the Great Seal differ from other sources (unless 1648 is Old Style with the start of year on 25 March) and it seems that the editor has mixed up the biography detail of Richard and his son Joseph. Other sources do not mention that Richard was a "Fellow of All Souls", but they do for his son Joseph. So I suggest that until a reliable source can be found to support the "Fellow of All Souls" it is not included in this biography. -- PBS (talk) 00:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Significant trials

The DNB and the ODNB mention three trials. The third trial was of John Gibbons. See:

Cobbett, William; Howell, Thomas Bayly; William Jardine, Th. J. Howell,, eds. (1810), Cobbett's Complete Collection of State Trials and Proceedings for High Treason and Other Crimes and Misdemeanors from the Earliest Period to the Present Time: With Notes and Other Illustrations, vol. 5, Bagshaw{{citation}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) CS1 maint: multiple names: editors list (link)
- The Trial of Mr. Christopher Love, before the High Court of Justice, for High Treason: 3 Charles II. A. D. 1651. Columns 43 to 267.
- 189. The Trial of Mr. John Gibbons, before the high court of Justice, for High Treason: 3 Charles II. A. D. 1651. columns 267 to 294.

The execution of Love and Gibbons was carried out on 22 August 1651 (column 44 states):

The Council of State and leaders in the parliament hearing nothing from Cromwell, and not finding the ingenuous discovery and humble submission which they expected from Mr. Love (after the condemnation of two other of his accomplices, Mr. Potter and Mr. Gibbons) they vacated his reprieve, and recommitted him to the High Court of Justice, by whose order he was executed on Tower-Hill with Mr. Gibbons on Aug. 22 [, 1651].

Should mention of the Gibbons trial be made in the text of this biography as Keble was president of the court for both of them? -- PBS (talk) 10:48, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]