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Private jet claims

@MatthewHoobin: Hi! Pinging you regarding your edit about Swift's alleged private jet usage numbers. I still do not think it is reliable or notable, but I've moved FrB.TG's version of that factoid to Public image of Taylor Swift as the "Public image" section of Taylor Swift provides only an overview and does not delve into individual moments of press. ℛonherry☘ 16:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have no issue with that; in fact, that seems a more fitting place for it. Thank you for letting me know. Cheers! —Matthew / (talk) 23:05, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've started a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Public image of Taylor Swift#Privacy, stalking and private jet usage regarding this edit [1] which I believe fails WP:NPOV. Some1 (talk) 13:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is plainly a BLPvio. There is no discussion or analysis of the challenged material in the source cited. It is something picked out of the primary source, which isn't even cited. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:43, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ronherry, please see WP:BLPRESTORE, specifically When material about living persons has been deleted on good-faith BLP objections, any editor wishing to add, restore, or undelete it must ensure it complies with Wikipedia's content policies. If it is to be restored without significant change, consensus must be obtained first. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:09, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ScottishFinnishRadish: Your last reversion was based on the "alluding" part of the source, whereas that's not even the part of the article the prose is cited to. The article quotes Swift's team: "We are aware of your public disputes with other high-profile individuals and your tactics in those interactions, including offering to stop your harmful behavior only in exchange for items of value". And Rolling Stone is not the only source in existence, there's more (1 2), all highlighting the part about "in exchange for items of value". ℛonherry☘ 18:32, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One of those additional sources provides actual secondary coverage rather than reproducing the letter without commentary. It has the same issue where the secondary coverage is about one request for 50k, rather than about a pattern. We follow secondary coverage. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:07, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am continuing the discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Public image of Taylor Swift#Privacy, stalking and private jet usage. ℛonherry☘ 19:21, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At least two editors (me and ScottishFinnishRadish) have stated that the 'financial favors' part is a BLP violation. Are you really trying to sneak that bit back in again? [2] Some1 (talk) 22:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody can "sneak" anything on Wikipedia considering everything is recorded and tracked. More like no consensus was reached in the NPOV noticeboard. Hence, your argument that it's NPOV is unfounded. Hence, nothing restricts me from adding sourced prose. Please stop gatekeeping. Regards. ℛonherry☘ 06:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See this comment [3]. Some1 (talk) 11:30, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ronherry Although I don't believe the paragraph needs to be abridged, I've trimmed that paragraph down to the basic facts [4] as an attempt to compromise. Let me know what you think. Some1 (talk) 23:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how it's a "compromise" when you've avoided to mention why Swift sent the cease and desist letter to Sweeney. Now it's just "Swift was criticized, and then she threatened a programmer" LOL. This is anything but neutral, but whatever I guess. ℛonherry☘ 06:51, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added some context to that paragraph [5]. The December 2023 sentence is similar to the one on the main Taylor Swift article. Let me know what you think. Some1 (talk) 11:25, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this is a better, much agreeable phrasing. ℛonherry☘ 19:28, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Impact on NFL

The section is Public image of Taylor Swift #Press and television coverage. So much of her impact on the NFL and its viewership is in that section and seems unlikely to be moved back to Cultural impact of Taylor Swift since content here was split from there. I just have a hard time seeing her "impact" as part of her "image" and "coverage".— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]