Talk:Pontiac Firebird

Footnote References

Added footnote reference functionality into the article. We should definitely be using this a lot more in the future to keep things organized starting with all of the info in the article that needs sources. I've tagged some of it already with the {{citation needed}} tag. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes. Roguegeek 06:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

1991 GTA Engine

I found an error on the page, but I really don't want to change someone else's work (fine work too). I owned a 1991 GTA with a 5.7L engine, the LT1. You could not get the 5.7L with a manual transmission OR T-Tops, but the engine was available with all other options for 1991. I don't know if the same was available for '90 or '92, but I'm sure someone out there knows the answer for that. I don't believe there were a lot of 5.7L GTAs made in 1991, as I have only seen one other one. I also don't know the horsepower rating for the 5.7L, which is another reason why I didn't change the original entry. Anyway, thanks to the original writer for all the great information on this page. -baron_iv

• The LT1 used in 4th gen cars was not available in 1991. There was another engine known as the LT1, but it was a standard GM engine without the reverse cooling. The current LT1 was first made available in 1992 in the Chevrolet Corvette. I don't know if you bought your car used, but if so dropping an LT1 into a third-gen car is actually a fairly common mod. Hope this helps.

Gelbza (talk) 14:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Ram Air V

"From 1969 to 1970 Pontiac had the Ram Air V which was Pontiac's quickest motor. It was rated at around 375hp, and was only available as an after-market engine." If it's only available as an after-market engine then why is it mentioned? --Gbleem 03:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

WS6 Engine

I know my 1998 Pontiac Trans Am w/ Ram Air has a WS6 Engine. No where in the article is the ws6 engine stated. It makes around 350hp. Can somebody add this in? I would but I'm really busy, just on coffee break.

70.120.94.117 23:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a WS.6 engine..98-02 had the LS1 8 Cylinder. The reason the WS.6 was rated with 15 more HP(320 vs 305 in 98) than the standard Trans Am was because of the "Ram Air".

The ws6 package is a manual (6 speed) ram air trans am. The ws6 also has a slightly modified rear bumper and factory stock was equipped with a 4:10 positive tracktion rear end. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.47.66.78 (talk) 13:50, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect info above... WS6 available on automatic (3 speed in 70s and early 80s, 4 speed from 83 onward) and manual (4 speed in 70s and early 80s, 5 speed in 80s and 6 speed from 1996 onward when WS^ reintroduced). Rear bumper was the same as any regular Trans Am or Formula (depending on the model). Rear gearing was 3.23 for automatics and 3.42 for manuals. 4.10s were popular swaps by owners but never from the factory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.20.59.206 (talk) 23:43, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

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Knight Rider 2000

Just a minor thing, but the car in Knight Rider 2000 was a heavily modified Dodge Stealth. It was made to look more like the Banshee concept, as it was their goal to have that car, but GM apparently wouldn't give it up. The last part is rumor on a few web sites, but the fact that it was not a Banshee or a Trans Am is quite true. --oZ (talk) 05:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Future Trans Am?

I just want to know if there is any news about a future trans am...???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.141.215 (talk) 07:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Someone came along recently and added a blurb about a fifth-gen trans am. Unless you can reference a reliable news story or other solid source, please DO NOT add any rumors or other hearsay about a future Firebird to this article. GM has stated repeatedly that there will be no future Firebird built on the new Camaro platform. Until they publicly change that stance, all such rumors will be removed by me. Highonhendrix (talk) 21:17, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

There is no 5th Generation Trans Am. Several companies are retro-fitting Camaros to look like various versions of the Trans Am but they are all customer conversions that have no affiliation with GM or Pontiac. Thefirebirdman (talk) 23:22, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

separate pages for each gen

Someone with more time than I should make separate pages for each generation like the Camaro and Mustang pages.Zerotta (talk) 16:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Not completely sure, but there may have been one in the past (as well as a separate page for Trans Am), but some merge-nazi came along and fused it into the main page. You should check the page history and see if it's there and if you can bring it back (if I'm not delusional again). Highonhendrix (talk) 08:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

There was a separate Trans Am page which I merged about six months ago. A proposal had been made to merge the two (with no dissenting opinions), and the vast majority of info was duplicated anyways. As for having separate pages, I think it would probably just be more confusing. The more pages on a subject the less reliable the search engine becomes, and the harder for others to find info. Gelbza (talk) 13:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe that it should be done to clean up this article and links to each generation should be provided. Simply format it similar to the Camaro article. Retromaniac (talk) 21:00, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi all, I plan to do this during the next while. :) Leedeth (talk) 08:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually I think only one generation needs to be split off so I'll go ahead and do that. Leedeth (talk) 08:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I finished the move, enjoy. Leedeth (talk) 09:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Pontiac Turbo Trans Am

Text from the (I hope soon-to-be-deleted-article) Pontiac Turbo Tans Am. Bongomatic (talk) 12:26, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

The Pontiac Firebird Turbo Trans Am is a variation on factory variation of the Firebird line of cars. These were all Trans Am models (usually with the most/best features), with a turbocharger to increase the power.

• 2nd generation (1970-1981)
  • 1980 turbocharged 301ci Pontiac V8
  • 1981 turbocharged 301ci Pontiac V8
• 3rd generation (1982-1992)
  • 1989 20th anniversary Turbo Trans-Am turbocharged 3.8L Buick V6, RPO code LD5 (CL2)

The turbocharged versions of the Trans Am were generally quicker and lighter than other contemporary Firebirds.

1981 Turbo Trans Am

310 horsepower in the 1995 Trans Am

I am the proud owner of a 1995 Pontiac Trans Am. I was wondering where you got the information that this year of car has 310 horsepower because everywhere else i read says just 275. My car has the Transmission Perform button and everything.

Answer: I own a trans am with 310hp.When I bought it from the dealer.They offered a performance package in which they modified the computer settings for it to perform as if it were "Ram Air" it costed 3500$ at the time.Also upped the revs.With the button on.It revved 7000. My Friend owns a Trans am that is 275hp. Mine is significantly faster and was able to beat his by a car lenght. minimum.But I don't know about the 340hp??? any1 there to help?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.195.139.202 (talk) 22:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC) Lance Barnum —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.221.46.185 (talk) 02:43, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

There was no dealer-offered '340 HP' package in 1995, unless it was one specific dealership offering their own '340 HP' version of the car. The LT1 in the Trans Am and Z28 made 275 HP in 1995, not 310. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blue Chrystal Planet (talk • contribs) 01:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Olds 350 used in 1977 Firebird

I don't know what range of years it appeared in the Firebird, but I owned a 1977 Firebird Esprit. The standard engine for the year and model was a V6, but there was a dealer and factor option for a V8 engine. This option engine for the 1977 Firebird Esprit was in fact, the Oldsmobile 350, with the Rochester Quadra-jet.

The engine code was RPO: R in the registration. It was quite the performer for high speed, although a dog for acceleration. It had a Turbohydromatic 350 transmission and a 2.41 rear end, all factor stock.

I am new to Wiki, and signed on just to try to get this added. I'm not sure what needs to be done, maybe someone can properly verify this.

Felicitator (talk) 15:34, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Esprit Special Editions??

There's no mention of the rare Skybird, Yellowbird and Redbird esprit packages. Just thought I'd through that out there as something to possibly add down the line.

Nkatsinas (talk) 01:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I had a transam with a 454 olds —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.188.147.98 (talk) 19:42, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I added them. SHAMAN 19:17, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Burt Reynolds Edition Trans Am (2007)

Should this section be a section under the Trans Am section instead of being its own major section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yetasoli (talk • contribs) 00:16, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

This model is not made of marketed by the original manufacturer. Rather, it is an aftermarket conversion. It appears to be more in the form of spam. Therefore, this section should not be included in this article. CZmarlin (talk) 21:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

1981 pontiac engines

Please note that in 1981 there was a 265cid engine offered with an automatic. The 265 was used only in 1980 & 1981 per http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=pontiac+engine 17:16, 5 August 2009 (UTC)stanlee1963@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.15.61.191 (talk)

snowflake firebird

Has anyone heard of this kind of firebird? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.32.32.166 (talk) 06:56, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

1996 pontiac firebird trans am conv

how many 1996 trans am conv were made. with white body white leather interior and white conv top —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrdspaint (talk • contribs) 16:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

1981 Firebird

I have a 1981 firebird, base model it has the 267 motor in it. But it's not documented anywhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.70.133.120 (talk) 03:59, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Added that engine. SHAMAN 19:17, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

2002 Pontiac Firebird TransAm WS6 Collector Edition

Need information on the 2002 Pontiac Firebird TransAm WS6 Collector Edition ("Collector Edition Trans Am"; CETA)72.68.71.82 (talk) 12:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)rvaldiv@gmail.com

Engines, Trans Am

I cleaned up a bit this article; moved engine data to tables because it was completely unreadable, but this info is still unsourced and there's not hp/torque info. I think that Trans Am could be moved to separate article, like it's done with Mustang Mach 1. SHAMAN 19:17, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

how much fuel pressure to run on a l98 350 tpi motor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.244.119 (talk) 20:36, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Timeline confusion???

IF the first firebird was introduced in 1967 then why is the 1994 the 25th aniversarry?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.127.241.45 (talk) 15:41, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

It was Trans-Am anniversary, which was introduced in 1969. SHAMAN 16:55, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

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Rear photos

There are so many more photos in this article than I have ever seen in any car article. But there is not a single photo of the rear end of the car. Is it so horrible that no owners want to post a photo or something? 122.59.225.50 (talk) 03:05, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

455ci single exhaust

The 215 net hp 455ci single exhaust would not be available in the 1974 Firebird. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.133.163 (talk) 14:31, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

'67-'68 Firebird transmission

No mention of the transmissions in the first model years '67-'68, Muncie 4 speed, etc. Thanks. dcebr 10:19, 16 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph Meisenhelder (talk • contribs)

Small model year error in photos?

These pictures:

1971 Pontiac Firbird Trans Am

and

1972 Pontiac Trans Am

seem to me to depict the same car. It looks exactly the same, and the photos are both taken in French Canada about five-six years ago, less than two years apart. There can't have been that many mint-condition forty-year-old Firebird Trans Ams with identical paint schemes up there at that time, can there?

So if they are the same vehicle, the model year stated must be wrong in (at least) one of the pictures. I was going to post on the talk page of the user who'd uploaded them, since the same guy had taken them both, but it turned out he has been banned for years. Presumably for other reasons; I doubt getting the model year wrong on a picture of a car is a bannable offense, but I didn't investigate further. (OK, from what little I glanced at his Talk page, it seems "original research" was involved.) Anyway, he doesn't seem to be in a position to correct this, so should someone else?

Not me, I'm afraid; I have no idea which of the years is the right one. But surely someone here knows?--CRConrad (talk) 19:11, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Not exactly the same. The 1972 Trans Am had a honeycomb pattern grille, the 1971 (and 1970) had a square mesh pattern grille. 1970-72 Trans Ams were only available in two color schemes: white with blue stripe or blue with white stripe. Also, the 71-72 had high back bucket seats, compared to the low back bucket seats in the 1970 Trans Am. -BJK 11/18/14

Firebirds with a Sports Top

This article doesn't have any information on Firebird with Sports top. there is very little information about them and most people don't even know what a sports top is. A sports top is a vinyl top. I only knows because I personally have a 1976 Firebird Esprit with a sports top. To the best of my knowledge they only came out in, '78, '74, and the late model '76. if someone could fine more information about this I would love to read it, and it definitely should at least be mentioned in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:1:C000:1:30BD:408:702C:A018 (talk) 21:40, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Repeated images

I noticed that there are repeated images in the Trans Am section. Is that ok?--WMrapids (talk) 01:14, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Polly Trans Am

a Trans Am modified by Polly Motorsport held the record for the fastest street legal car in Europe before the Veyron Super Sport was introduced, shouldn't it be mentioned here? It beat the original Veyron speed record thanks to its 1407 HP engine. Their website: http://www.pollymotorsport.no/?mapping=2&lang=en — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.57.60.116 (talk) 03:12, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Nah, Wiki doesn't care about people's/shop's custom rides. I'd be more interested in adding the info on 3rd gen Firehawks, but I'm no expert there.... 68.12.189.117 (talk) 18:55, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Technically if its "notable" enough to be published in a reliable source, then we can add it. If not, Wikipedia kind of feels it isnt important enough to make note of. MaximusEditor (talk) 08:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

The article STILL is incomplete

No context at all why the car was discontinued in 2002, and if had successors since then -- at least indircect ones, "spiritual". 93.185.27.19 (talk) 12:18, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

No Big Block Pontiacs

It is incorrect to refer to any Pontiac V8 engine as a ‘big block.’ Pontiac offered many sizes of V8s from 1955 through the late 1970s, but unlike some brands such as Chevrolet and Ford (which had multiple sized casting molds for their engine blocks), Pontiac only ever had one basic casting used for all displacements. While displacement would vary by changing bore and stroke, the Pontiac V8 block was always based on the original 1955 architecture regardless of whether it was a 265 cubic inch engine all the way to their 455 cubic inch engine. You can’t call it a big block if it was the only block available.

Expandinglight5 (talk) 17:19, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

why don't you talk about the Canadian assembly plant ? It's false that they were built only in USA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boisbriand_Assembly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.56.234.169 (talk) 13:04, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

References

Pontiac Firdbird (3rd gen)

@Scope creep: @Polyamorph: why do we need article on Pontiac Firebird (third generation) that page has been created and edited since 2008, i believe it should be merged here, it's not notable enough to have its own page like the Chevrolet Camaro. ColorfulSmoke (talk) 13:36, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

@ColorfulSmoke: This whole article is also hugely unsourced. I don't how much of the third generation is unique or new in that generation that constitutes keeping the article. If you think it needs merged then post a merge tag and i'll take part in the discussion. scope_creep^Talk 13:47, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

I have no opinion on this. Merely that if you are going to copy content from one wikipedia article to another that you must provide appropriate attribution (per WP:COPYWITHIN) and make sure you do the job properly, rather than leaving duplicated content behind.Polyamorph (talk) 13:49, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Combing the Archive

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 28 August 2023 and 8 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): RJSDuke (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by RJSDuke (talk) 16:43, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Values of Burt Reynolds' cars sold at auction

Estimated 2023-equivalent values of the Trans Ams sold by Burt Reynolds at a Florida Barrett-Jackson auction in 2018 surely must reflect incorrect arithmetic. Even considering inflation and other factors, a 2018 figure of $100,000 would not be equivalent to "~$480,810" merely five years later. Robcotnam (talk) 12:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Can the 2nd Gen section just be mirrored

Is there a way to mirror the 2nd gen sections from it's individual article and the primary page for the Firebird? One will be updated, and the other won't, and they kinda get left behind. Should the 2nd gen section on the primary page just shortened all together or something? Maxthe222 (talk) 01:09, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the second-generation section on this page should have been condensed when the content was split to a new page. Please stop re-adding the engine and production numbers tables. --Sable232 (talk) 23:24, 24 October 2024 (UTC)