Talk:Nissan Pao

Nissan Pao

Nissan Pao editing help ja, 日産・パオに関する原文は、私のブログ記事からの提供です。 なお、原文は日本語である為、必要ならば、加筆依頼と修正編集を希望します。 GFDLによる使用許可は出していますので参照URLをご覧下さい。

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The original concerning Nissan and the pao is an offer from my Brog article. The retouch request and the correction edit are hoped for if necessary because the original is Japanese. The use permission by GFDL has been put out and see reference URL, please.

･Indication rule to article on Nissan pao. 1 and public organization contribution condition of Wikipedia GFDL OK condition. Only "Use with GFDL" is allowed. Only condition 2(I) and the original person in question can use the original, and contribute. It needing becomes condition 2(Ro) and a pertinent matter. It allows it the encouragement as for the postscript and the retouch.

Or, it can be a reprint by the origin of this original person in question allowance. Use of condition 3 the second without permission self-regard is not permitted.

Double charge club @ mastermind and ek-10st Toyama ・Here referring ahead.

--ek-10st Toyama 18:29, 16 April 2006 (UTC)ek-10stとやま

Nissan Pao Se Ededit

The original writer's responsibility edit. The original edition translation was reviewed. --ek-10st Toyama 20:41, 20 April 2006 (UTC)ek-10stとやま

Rework Nov 22, 2007

I redid this article, as good as I could, in the manner I treated the Nissan Be-1 some months ago in order to make it more readable. Unfortunately there were some details in the options list I had to delete, as it was impossible (for me) to make head or tail out of them ("Bakery soft headed business"??). Also, www.carfolio.com lists the Pao as having rear drum brakes, not discs, as originally stated in the first paragraph. --328cia (talk) 20:23, 22 November 2007 (UTC) 44th anniversary of JFK´s assassination :-((

Panasonic/Matsushita

In this edit, Mr.choppers changes

Be-1, Pao, Figaro, and S-Cargo were attempts to create cars with designs as desirable as those of personal electronics products from companies such as Matsushita and Sony.

to

The Be-1, Pao, Figaro, and S-Cargo were attempts to create cars with designs as desirable as those of personal electronics products from companies such as Panasonic and Sony.

with the edit summary:

Matsushita? I don't think so.

The The is needed, of course. No problem there.

This is about two cars and a van marketed within Japan over twenty years ago. At that time, Matsushita used two brand names in Japan: National and Panasonic, for electrical and electronic appliances respectively. (Yes, in this distant past, electrical goods didn't have complex circuit boards.) Panasonic was not a company. Matsushita became Panasonic (in Japan, anyway) as recently as October 2008 (source).

Or do I misunderstand? -- Hoary (talk) 13:11, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, I believe that Panasonic is the brand which had the styling cachet that Nissan was gunning for with the pike cars, no matter who the mother company is. Here is a NYT article which also prefers mentioning Panasonic. And please accept my apologies if I came across as snarky or rude in the edit summary. I will include the NY Times article as a reference. Best,  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 16:44, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Since Panasonic is the name that the public was aware of, may I suggest using 'brands' instead of 'companies', like the following:

• The Be-1, Pao, Figaro, and S-Cargo were attempts to create cars with designs as desirable as those of personal electronics products from brands such as Panasonic and Sony.  Stepho  talk  23:15, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

That's well intended but I don't think it works. Or anyway I don't consider products as coming from brands; instead, they have brands. If we say that these came from brands, people are likely to find "brand" a bizarre would-be synonym for "company", and either mentally rephrase or actually edit accordingly, and we'd be back where we started. If you don't want Matsushita, try:

The Be-1, Pao, Figaro, and S-Cargo were attempts to create cars with designs as desirable as those of Panasonic, Sony, and other personal electronics products.

-- Hoary (talk) 00:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Sound's like an acceptable rewording to me.  Stepho  talk  00:34, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

No, no, not snarky or rude at all. For my part, I should apologize for having only supplied a Japanese-language source. Try this one, which is just as authoritative, has more detail, and is in English. ¶ the NYT is one of the better US newspapers and its copyediting is probably better than most, but it's no New Yorker. The writer is misinformed, and the misinformation got into print. There's nothing particularly unusual about this, particularly when the brand name is/was shorter and more palatable than the company name: you'll see plenty of confident assertions in English that Konica made this or that design decision in the 1970s or 80s when (in Japan, anyway) there was no Konica aside from products (the company was Konishiroku). ¶ As an aside, I remember people confidently writing in a certain message forum five or so years ago about how Panasonic in Japan was doing this or that: clearly they hadn't read the small print on the products they possessed, but I couldn't politely correct them with "Matsushita" because the nannyware employed by the message forum refused any message that mentioned "Matsushita". (Really. Because of the brown stuff in "Matsushita". Idiotic, yes, but the idiocy wasn't mine.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I've had similar issues trying to write about the "Moby Dick" Porsche on forums (it was changed to "Moby Thingy"...). Have adopted your proposed version. Now can we somehow replace that list of specs with something better?  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 02:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)