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Searching for Asian America

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Below a citation for a TV program in which Martha Choe appears. As currently structured, there is no heading under which to put this.

  • Young, Donald,; Sakya, Sapana; Yu, Kung Sun; Locke, Gary,; Zia, Helen; Postman, David; Choe, Martha; Cain, Bruce E; Lee, Mona,; Bautista, Martin; Lim, Jeffrey; Lee, Lela; Kim, Elaine H; Orenstein, Peggy; Castle, Diane (2003). Searching for Asian America. National Asian American Telecommunications Association. OCLC 56605261.{{cite AV media}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) Segments from a television series looking at the Asian American experience.

Peaceray (talk) 06:51, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kept

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The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 18:31, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I have serious doubts the subject meets WP:NBIO. The only possible notable achievement may be having a high rank (CAO) in a major NGO, but still, CAO is not CEO, and I don't think CAOs are auto-notable. There is some in-depth coverage, ex. [1] in Crosscut.com, but even that one is half-interview, and that's about it - other stories about her like [2] seem nearly total self-authored per WP:INTERVIEW if not worse as in press releases ([3]). The Crosscut award ([4]) also doesn't seem sufficient for notability. Maybe if all of those are added together, but still, this is a borderline case that would benefit from further comments from the community. Personally I don't see sufficient evidence of notability, so my nom vote is 'delete'. Thoughts? PS. The creator of this article, Ottawahitech is indef-blocked, with a note saying that nearly a 1000 of their articles have been deleted. Not that it should prejudice us... much. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:32, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. You are leaving out (and the article as it stands barely mentions) her main notability. She served two terms on the 9-member Seattle City Council (and was, by the way, the first Korean American ever to serve on the council). Because the city council is only 9 people for a city of over half a million, I'd say that any elected member of the council is de facto notable (not so sure about people appointed to fill out a term who don't run for reelection, but that's not relevant here). Further, as mentioned at https://crosscut.com/2016/10/martha-choe-lifetime-achievement-2016-courage-awards, she was director of the Washington State Department of Community, Trade and Economic Development (later Department of Commerce), the state-level equivalent of a cabinet position. In short: this article needs a bunch of work, but she is certainly notable. - Jmabel | Talk 16:30, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NPOL does not suggest city councilors are auto-notable. Her bio is, as I said, a lot of near misses on notability. Too local / low level of a politician, executive, received awards or coverage. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 19:34, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nor being the first Korean American to hold the office? Nor later being head of a statewide gov't department? Are you saying that even the Crosscut source I cited still doesn't bring her up to notability? - Jmabel | Talk 23:25, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Crosscut.com is a good source, but it is regional so it's a fairly weak argument for notability. It would be useful to show that her work is discussed in academic or national publications. And also to hsow that in one of her various positions she had a significant or enduring impact on something. User:Jmabel, it may be that there is notability here, but someone would have to do the work to WP:HEYMANN by showing coverage and/or impact - preferably both.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:48, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
*Not unless there was widespread media coverage of the fact. We have a lot of immigrant groups in the U.S., and 50 states. So, no, the first Greek-American college president in Illinois, or the first Cuban-American city council member in Jacksonville would not be not inherently notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:03, 16 January 2019 (UTC) My bad.E.M.Gregory (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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