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A fact from Here I Go Again (Legends of Tomorrow) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 1 May 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Legends of Tomorrow episode "Here I Go Again" contains multiple ABBA references?

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... that "Here I Go Again" was inspired by an old episode of Star Trek? Source: https://comicbook.com/dc/news/legends-of-tomorrow-here-i-go-again-cause-and-effect-star-trek/
- ALT1: ... that "Here I Go Again" was inspired by an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation? Source: https://comicbook.com/dc/news/legends-of-tomorrow-here-i-go-again-cause-and-effect-star-trek/
- ALT2: ... that "Here I Go Again" contains multiple ABBA references? Source: [1][2]
- ALT3: ... that the Legends of Tomorrow episode "Here I Go Again" contains multiple ABBA references? Source: [3][4]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Timeline of the 1994 Pacific hurricane season

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. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:30, 2 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

You should seriously consider integrating some indication that "Here I Go Again" is a Legends of Tomorrow episode in the hooks.--Laun chba ller 22:31, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Launchballer: I dont know how to properly blend it into the first two hooks as it would seem to repetitive but I added ALT3. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, ALT3 is probably the more interesting. Full review needed.--Laun chba ller 10:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I came to leave a passing by comment that IMHO Star Trek reference is more interesting than ABBA one, but you can have the cake and eat it - it should not be hard to craft a hook that mentions both topics. Technically it can be passed now but I'd strongly encouraging trying to make a better alt that squeezes in multiple tidbits. Side-note: I an not sure if this would survice an AfD due to WP:GNG issues, but that's not an issue for now unless someone tags it with notability template and/or starts an AFD and I am not inclinded to throw that stone. Other issues (size, refs, QPQ) are good, although plot is unreferenced. Quick ping to User:BlueMoonset on whether we allow plot sections to be unreferenced for DYKs? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:58, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:DYKCITE makes an exception for plot summaries... but articles with questionable notability would fall foul of WP:DYKTAG.--Laun chba ller 07:27, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As noted, plot summaries don't have to be cited; the episode (or book or film or whatever) itself is considered the natural reference. There are some oddities in the article, such as the episode being said to be the eleventh lowest in viewing, when it's actually the eleventh highest (number 11 of 18); there's also no context without the number of episodes involved. It could also use a copyedit. While I personally like Legends of Tomorrow, I do have to wonder about the overall notability of most episode articles for the show given that it was a quirky one rather than a more mainstream, popular one. The season article is usually sufficient to cover the high points, with very short plot summaries for individual episodes. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:58, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BlueMoonset:@Piotrus: I removed the episode ranking line as it was unrefresned. As for the notability it is a problem for a good amount of episodes, however I do not think that is the case as it has over three sources and in my experiance thats usually considered enough. The best ones are probably [5][6][7]. This is an interview from years later discussing it [8]. And it appears on a few lists. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am passing this, since my concerns have been resolved, and IMHO this meets GNG, if not by a long shot. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]