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Proposed merge of George Floyd protests in Bellevue, Washington into George Floyd protests in Seattle

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Both cities are in the same metropolitan area and the protests are similar enough to consolidate (with Bellevue having its own section). Sounder Bruce 03:08, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there have been protests all up and down the Puget Sound area, and a statewide [1] activation of the National Guard. Lumping it all under Seattle is factually incorrect and gives the impression of minimization of the issue's scope. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:32, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support a merge of both articles into something broader, perhaps "in Washington State". This splintering of protests into dozens of articles for every city is getting ridiculous. There are hundreds of cities that have had protests as notable as there in Bellevue; do we really want hundreds of articles? -- MelanieN (talk) 17:10, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per MelanieN, to "Washington State". -- Acefitt 20:51, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Washington would work, not every city needs separate article; even then the two are connected, apparently with many of the same protestors after Seattle's curfew was announced. Reywas92^Talk 22:37, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support While Seattle is where the majority of the protests are happening, there have been more popping up around the state

intoad2^Talk 11:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support merging both into George Floyd protests in Washington (state) (and only into a state article). This is now a redirect. Reason: the articles are short and other protests articles by states are emerging and better working. It's also how the List of George Floyd protests article is set up. In addition, the proposed section for Bellevue is not a good idea. The per-day chronology works best and locations can be mentioned on days that there were important protests. gidonb (talk) 00:28, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

it looks like there's a very strong consensus for the merge and move, and since it's been over a day since the merge was first proposed, i've submitted a technical request to carry the move part out. please let me know if i'm doing anything incorrectly, as this will be my first time attempting to carry out a merge and move. thanks! dying (talk) 03:57, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

okay, move is complete, so i'm proceeding with merging the articles. dying (talk) 04:19, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

okay, done. please let me know if i'm missing anything. thanks! dying (talk) 04:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 3 June 2020

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The result of the move request was: not moved, see WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) -- Mdaniels5757 (talk) 18:33, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

George Floyd protests in Washington (state) → George Floyd protests in Washington – redirects should not be moved Jax 0677 (talk) 17:34, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:47, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jax 0677, Armbrust, and Crouch, Swale: Queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:48, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Target is a disambiguation page. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:SHORTFORM since George Floyd protests in Washington, D.C. exists and Washington is a DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:56, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'd note that this was an undiscussed move but its unlikely that there would not be consensus to keep the qualifier. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:58, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. The target is a disambiguation and could be confused with Washington, D.C.Crazy Boy 826 20:38, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Strong snowball oppose. The state's article is Washington (state). If someone wants to change the name of the state at Wikipedia, this can ONLY be done at Talk:Washington (state). Not here!!! Each article and category about the State of Washington should use exactly the same name! Standards are set at the root, not at a random branch. Let's not introduce anarchy at Wikipedia. gidonb (talk) 23:58, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Strong WP:SNOW oppose. "Washington" is ambiguous, and could still very easily refer to D.C. Like, see the fact that Washington is a disambiguation page. Paintspot Infez (talk) 03:44, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Of course not. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:30, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Car rally in Vancouver

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---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:37, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Counter-rally?

Today, I witnessed a "support the police" counter-rally (I think) on US-101 in Aberdeen, complete with apparently loaded semiautomatic rifle open carry-ing individuals. No apparent people of color present. Not sure if this is the place for counter-protests to be listed (assuming a RS appears)? Anywhere? Nowhere? ☆ Bri (talk) 03:01, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Alleged"

Why does the "child … sprayed with riot control agent by a police officer" get the qualifier "allegedly", while almost nothing else does? Given that there is video of the incident, I would think that it is no more "alleged" than the incident where we have a FOX News reporter's word (presumably accurate, but in this case there isn't video documentation) that the guns their security man seized were taken from an abandoned police car. - Jmabel | Talk

This doesn't look "alleged" to me: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/16/1953566/-7-year-old-maced-at-George-Floyd-protest-and-Seattle-police-arrest-man-who-filmed - Jmabel | Talk 01:51, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Where does the video show the child being maced by police? All it shows is the child being sprayed and doused with milk by other protestors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.61.72.209 (talk) 11:20, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What, you think the protestors took some child who was not maced and pretended to be treating her while she pretended to cry about it? That's pretty cynical. - Jmabel | Talk 05:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

George Floyd template

Why isn't the George Floyd template at the bottom showing? Songwaters (talk) 16:16, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what the problem is here. Help needed to fix the template display problem. Cedar777 (talk) 18:14, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be an issue of size with "Warning: Template include size is too large. Some templates will not be included." appearing in previews of the page. How this gets fixed is unclear. If it is a matter of the total article being too large to receive the template, perhaps it is time to split off a section for Seattle. Cedar777 (talk) 19:39, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Time for Seattle to have its own page?

Is it time for a George Floyd protests in Seattle, Washington page? @Bartholomite, Another Believer, Jmabel, Songwaters, RopeTricks, and Peteforsyth:, Much of the Seattle content appears on the CHOP page. However, there have been numerous protests in Washington state's largest city, before CHOP was formed in May and after the zone was officially cleared out on July 1. Protest marches (to the mayor's neighborhood & on I-5) also took place while CHOP was in effect but happened away from the zone proper. The ongoing protest activity in Seattle shares similarities with Portland (which has its own city page but no territorial "zone" limitations). It seems to be time for a separate page for Seattle, as the protests are likely to continue, especially in light of the recent controversy over the introduction of federal forces to several cities. With the template formatting issue listed in the section above (article too large?), this may be one more reason to split off a page. Thanks for any input, attention and/or assistance that you care to give to this matter. Kind Regards, Cedar777 (talk) 20:41, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. As a Seattleite myself, I can attest that the protests in my hometown have been significant enough to warrant their own page: the CHOP, the backlash against Jenny Durkan, and more. I would also support merging the CHOP article into that page. Songwaters (talk) 22:10, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be fine with having a Seattle page. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:15, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also a Seattleite, and fine with that. Is the idea to keep a separate CHOP page, or to expand the CHOP page into a Seattle page? I don't want to see a continual propagation of pages. One more between the whole state & CHOP seems reasonable, but I hope we won't end up with yet a separate page about (for example) the incident where someone ran over two people on I-5, etc. - Jmabel | Talk 00:49, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jmabel For starters, a mention and link to CHOP in the Seattle page with coverage of protests that either occurred outside the zone or before/after the defined CHOP timeline. If editors feel the need to consolidate CHOP w/ Seattle, that decision can be made after the extent of the reactivated demonstrations is better known. Fully agree that WA, Seattle, and CHOP pages are enough. Kind Regards, Cedar777 (talk) 01:30, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support The substantial amount of media headlines and news coverage surrounding the protests in Seattle specifically are enough to warrant its own compact, non-bloated page. RopeTricks (talk) 05:46, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Additional sources for Seattle protests

More coverage that may be worth including: Cedar777 (talk) 22:18, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

July 30 KOMO Man attacked after confronting protesters outside Queen Anne home

July 23 KUOW Protester Diaz Love speaks out about deadly Seattle car ramming and the journey to recovering

July 27 Seattle Times Native leaders, organizations decry ‘intimidation’ outside home of Seattle City Council’s Juarez