Talk:Bruce Flatt

Protected edit request on 29 October 2018

Please add tag R with possibilities as a draft is in progress for Flatt. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:36, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:01, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Reviewer Note on Conflict of Interest

This draft and Brookfield Asset Management have conflicts of interest. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:00, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

I endorse the creation of this page and have requested that Bruce Flatt be deleted (it is fully protected) so this can be move dto the correct title. Brookfield is one of Canada's largest public companies, with various associated public and private companies. Flatt is the CEO and a very important business leader in Canada and the US. We need to cover Flatt properly. I intend to work on this page to whip it into shape. Legacypac (talk) 19:02, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Text merge

Per a request at WP:RMTR I moved Bruce Flatt (businessman) to Bruce Flatt. Since there were comments on both old and new talk pages they are merged above. EdJohnston (talk) 19:31, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request in several sections of article

Hello. This is Marion and I am requesting the following straightforward edits to several sections of the article.

1. Please update the last sentence in the introduction so that the sentence says: In 2021 he was ranked #1205 on Forbes' Billionaires list with a net worth of US$2.8 billion.
2. At the end of the second paragraph in the Career section, please add the following sentence: During Flatt's tenure as CEO the compound return of a share in Brookfield has been 20% over the past 20 years.
3. In the Awards section, please remove "CEO of the Year by The Globe and Mail in 2017," for the reason that the information is outdated; the award was given over four years ago.
4. In the Personal life section, please add to the end of the first sentence the following phrase: ,the founder of non-profit Amant and a trustee and patron of New York's Museum of Modern Art.
5. Also in the Personal life section, please remove the following sentence with the source: "Together the couple helped to produce the New Museum's exhibition of work by artist Chris Burden." The statement is mistaken. The couple did not help produce the exhibition, only Ebers did, as the source clearly states.

References

I am pinging Wodgester who recently made some helpful edits to the page. Thanks so much. Mrn helmers (talk) 21:48, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Mrn helmers, I am not overly familiar with the edit request process, but I think this message should be posted on the Bruce Flatt talk page, like this request, so it can attract more attention. As for the content, I have no objections to 1 or 5, but I think there are some issues with the rest.

2: If this belongs anywhere - and I'm not certain it does, since Seeking Alpha uses crowd-sourced content (so where is the verifiability there? The author doesn't seem to be a "professional" as described at WP:NEWSBLOG.) - it's probably on the main BAM article.

3: I am not aware of any Wikipedia policy which favours removing content just because it is old. Older iterations of that same award are still described on Donald J. Walker and Christine M. Day. If the Globe and Mail were an unreliable source or a gossip rag, I would agree with removing it, but that isn't the case.

4: Unless I am misreading, neither that NYT article nor any other I can find with a quick Google search state that Flatt is connected to the story (or Amant) in any way other than through being Ebers' husband. Flatt is not listed as a trustee on the MOMA website.

I hope this is helpful. Wodgester (talk) 08:35, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much Wodgester for pointing out that I had posted my edit request on my own talk page instead of here. Hopefully everything in fine now. If I understand you correctly, are you allowing me to make edits 1 and 5 myself? Let me know if that is correct.

2:Would I be able to add the statement if I use the following source instead of Seeking Alpha?https://bam.brookfield.com/reports-filings/letters-shareholders/q3-2021-letter-to-shareholders

3:If Wikipedia policy is to keep in the information about an old award, that's fine

4:Yes, I do think you are misreading my request. I did not mean to imply that Bruce Flatt is involved with Amant and/or MOMA, but rather, it was just a brief description of what his wife Lonti Ebers does. I thought it is appropriate to have a short description of the spouse, but if you disagree, we can leave that out, too.

Thanks so much, you have been extremely helpful in a way that was timely and easy to understand. Mrn helmers (talk) 13:56, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I think, just to make sure there can be no accusations of unfair play, I will make edits 1 and 5 myself with a link (in the edit summary) to our discussion. I'm afraid I'll have to leave 2 up to somebody else - I see why you want something of an indicator as to how Flatt has impacted the company, but I'm uncertain where it falls with regard to relevancy. I see what you mean now about Ebers and I'll put that into action.

May I also compliment you on your politeness and willingness to compromise, I think this is a fine example of how Wikipedia can work with people and groups who have conflicts of interest, to everybody's benefit. All the best, Wodgester (talk) 22:15, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I want to thank Wodgester not only for his helpful advice and edits, but also for his kind words. Mrn helmers (talk) 20:30, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Ownership structure, residency edit request

Hi Wodgester. This is Marion again and I am asking for two additional edits as follows:

1. Please update the last sentence in the Career section to: Flatt and a group of partners own 20% of Brookfield, individually and through a company called Partners Limited, with a stake valued at over $17 billion as of early 2022. The SEC source shows that Partners Limited has a 20% stake in BAM, while the Bloomberg source states the company's market cap as $85.698 billion, and 20% of that is a bit over $17 billion.
2. In the Personal life section, please change the last sentence to: Flatt splits his time between living in Toronto, New York, and London. The source is paywalled, but I paraphrased the following paragraph taken from the source: "They reportedly bought a Tribeca condo for $6.1 million (U.S.) in 2011, and own an apartment in London and a modest brick house in Toronto. Flatt has owned the place for decades and isn't giving it up, even though he spends most of his time in London and New York. "I am a long-term compounder," he says."

References

Thanks so much. Mrn helmers (talk) 17:56, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello again Marion. I have made the bulk of these edits.

While I don't think the "market cap ÷ 20%" calculation is incorrect, I believe it would break our policy against original research - as it would require me (or any other editor) to synthesize the SEC document with Bloomberg data. If a journalist were to make these claims and include them in an article, we could cite that, but we cannot come to that conclusion independently. I hope this isn't too much of a bother. Wodgester (talk) 22:06, 23 February 2022 (UTC)