Talk:Alfred de Laage de Meux

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 12:24, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

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De Meux, ca. 1915–1917

• ... that Alfred de Laage de Meux and Georges Thenault were the only two French aviators in the aviation unit Lafayette Escadrille? Source: A Fraternity of Arms: America and France in the Great War, page 23
  • ALT1: ... that Alfred de Laage de Meux received the rank Brevet without completing aviation school, in which he was only the few to do so? Source: The Lafayette Escadrille: A Photo History of the First American Fighter Squadron, Chapter II: The Escadrille Américane is born.
  • ALT2: ... that Alfred de Laage de Meux taught himself on how to operate an aircraft, later becoming a lieutenant? Source: The Vivid Air, the Lafayette Escadrille, page 28, The Lafayette Escadrille: A Photo History of the First American Fighter Squadron, Chapter II: The Escadrille Américane is born.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1770s Pacific Northwest smallpox epidemic
  • Comment: QPQ coming soon.

Created by Tails Wx (talk). Self-nominated at 15:36, 2 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Alfred de Laage de Meux; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: - ?
Overall: @Tails Wx: The article was moved to main space on 2 February (same day as nomination). It has a readable prose size of 2628 characters. Each claim in the article has a reference. WP:EARWIG shows no copyright violations. QPQ has been done. The image looks good and follows the license requirements.

For ALT0: the source says: ... were the only French pilots. The formulation seems to imply that there were other pilots as well. So the text would need to be adjusted.

For ALT1: the first part is supported by the source. I'm not sure what the clause in which he was only the few to do so tries to say. Would it make sense to remove that clause?

For ALT2: I found a passage in the source that says that he didn't attend flying school. That doesn't automatically mean that he taught himself. Do you have a quote from the source that confirms this or should the hook be reformulated?

Some comments on the article

• to an artistocratic French military replace "artistocratic" with "aristocratic"
• De Meux is located fourth from left add "the" before "left"
• transferred to aviation, serving as a air gunner replace "a" with "an"
• entering combat in the Battle of Verdun thereafter add "and" before "entering"
• De Meux then met Georges Thenault, commander of the Lafayette Escadrille, in which there seems to be something wrong about the "in which"
• The word "serving" is repeated a little too often. I would suggest reformulations to make it less repetitive. Phlsph7 (talk) 14:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

  Hiya Phlsph7, thanks for taking up this review! For ALT0, yes, I've gone ahead and adjusted it. For ALT1, it'd make sense to remove it. For ALT2, I do have a quote from the second source that states "He served first as a gunner, but in his spare time, somehow taught himself to fly"! I've also addressed your comments here. Thanks! :) ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 16:20, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for implementing the changes. Modifying ALT1 as suggested, we would get:

  • ALT1b: ... that Alfred de Laage de Meux received the rank Brevet without completing aviation school?

  Approving ALT0, ALT1b, and ALT2. Phlsph7 (talk) 17:42, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

  @Tails Wx: Sorry, I wasn't aware that backlog mode is active. Since you have over 20 nominations, you need to provide a second review. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  Phlsph7 the backlog mode does not apply retrospectively. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:23, 17 March 2024 (UTC)