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Cork Premier Intermediate Hurling Championship
Current season or competition:
2024 Cork Premier Intermediate Hurling Championship
CodeHurling
Founded2004; 20 years ago (2004)
Region Cork (GAA)
TrophySéamus Long Cup
No. of teams12
Title holders Castlelyons (1st title)
Most titles Ballinhassig (2 titles)
Blarney (2 titles)
Courcey Rovers (2 titles)
SponsorsCo-Op Superstores
Official websiteOfficial website

The Cork Premier Intermediate Hurling Championship (known for sponsorship reasons as the Co-Op Superstores Cork Premier Intermediate Hurling Championship and abbreviated to the Cork PIHC) is an annual hurling competition organised by the Cork County Board of the Gaelic Athletic Association and contested by the top-ranking intermediate clubs in the county of Cork in Ireland. It is the third tier overall in the entire Cork hurling championship system.

The Cork Premier Intermediate Championship was introduced in 2004 following a split in the existing Cork Intermediate Hurling Championship. At the time of its creation it was the second tier of Cork hurling.

In its soon-to-be introduced format, the Cork Premier Intermediate Championship will begin in April. The 12 participating club teams will be drawn into three groups of four teams and play each other in a round-robin system. The three group winners and the three runners-up proceed to the knockout phase that culminates with the final match at Páirc Uí Rinn in October. The winner of the Cork Premier Intermediate Championship, as well as being presented with the Séamus Long Cup, qualifies for the subsequent Munster Club Championship.

The competition has been won by 17 teams. Ballinhassig, Blarney and Courcey Rovers are the only teams to have won the tournament on more than one occasion. Castlelyons are the title-holders, beating Kilworth by 0-19 to 0-17 in the 2023 final.

History

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The Cork Intermediate Championship was founded in 1909 in an effort to bridge the standard of play between the Cork Senior Championship and the Cork Junior Championship. For almost a century, the Cork Intermediate Championship was effectively the second tier championship in the Cork hurling championship system.

In 2003 the Cork County Board Executive established a Hurling Championship Review Committee in an effort to improve the competitiveness of the Cork Senior Championship. The committee also proposed the splitting of the existing Cork Intermediate Championship in two with the creation of a 16-team Cork Premier Intermediate Championship which became the second tier of the Cork hurling championship system.

The championship was first played in 2004 with the winner, St. Catherine's, gaining automatic promotion to the following year's Cork Senior Championship. Their place in the championship was taken by Watergrasshill who won the Cork Intermediate Championship. The idea of relegation was introduced in 2006 with St. Finbarr's becoming the first team to be relegated from the championship after losing a play-off to Ballincollig. Similarly, Delaney Rovers became the first team to be relegated to the championship after losing their senior status following a play-off defeat by Castlelyons. Relegation was suspended in 2013 and again from 2015 to 2019.

Format

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History

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16 clubs entered the inaugural championship in 2004 and a double elimination format was used. Each team was guaranteed at least two games before being eliminated from the championship. In 2006 a relegation section was introduced. The four teams who lost both their games in Round 1 and Round 2 entered the relegation play-offs with the eventual losing team being relegated. An extra round of games was added to the championship in 2010. Each team was now given the opportunity of losing both of their games in Round 1 and Round 2 but remaining in the championship. This format remained in place until 2016 when it was decided to revert to the previous format.

Current

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Development

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On 2 April 2019, a majority of 136 club delegates voted to restructure the championship once again.[1][2] The new format also led to a reduction in the number of participating clubs from 16 to 12.

Overview

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Group stage: The 12 club teams are divided into three groups of four. Over the course of the group stage, which features one game in April and two games in August, each team plays once against the others in the group, resulting in each team being guaranteed at least three games. Two points are awarded for a win, one for a draw and zero for a loss. The teams are ranked in the group stage table by points gained, then scoring difference and then their head-to-head record. The top two teams in each group qualify for the knockout stage, with the two best-placed teams receiving byes to the semi-finals.

Quarter-finals: Two lone quarter-finals feature the four lowest-placed team from the group stage. Two teams qualify for the next round.

Semi-finals: The two semi-finals feature four teams. Two teams qualify for the next round.

Final: The two semi-final winners contest the final. The winning team are declared champions and gain automatic promotion to the following year's Cork Senior A Championship.

Teams

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2024 Teams

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Team Location Division Colours Position in 2023 In Championship since Championship Titles Last Championship Title
Aghabullogue Coachford Muskerry Green and white Champions (Cork IAHC) 2024 0
Border Ballincollig Ballincollig Muskerry Green and white Semi-finals 2019 0
Border Ballinhassig Ballinhassig Carrigdhoun Blue and white Group stage 2014 2 2012
Border Ballymartle Riverstick Carrigdhoun Green and gold Quarter-finals 2023 1 2010
Border Carrigaline Carrigaline Carrigdhoun Blue and yellow Group stage 2009 0
Border Castlemartyr Castlemartyr Imokilly Red and white Semi-finals 2022 0
Border Dungourney Dungourney Imokilly Yellow and green Group stage 2023 0
Border Éire Óg Ovens Muskerry Red and yellow Group stage 2021 0
Border Kilworth Kilworth Avondhu Red and white Runners-up 2021 0
Mallow Mallow Avondhu Red and yellow Group stage (Cork SAHC) 2024 0
Border Valley Rovers Innishannon Carrigdhoun Green and white Quarter-finals 2010 0
Border Watergrasshill Watergrasshill Imokilly Red and white Group stage 2005 0

Sponsorship

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Permanent TSB became the first title sponsor of the championship, serving in that capacity for just one year until 2005 when the Evening Echo signed a sponsorship deal. In 2020, Dairygold Co-Op Superstores were unveiled as the new title sponsor of the Cork Premier Intermediate Championship.[3]

Venues

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Early rounds

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The rebuilt Páirc Uí Chaoimh hosted the 2018 final between Charleville and Courcey Rovers.

Fixtures in the opening rounds of the championship are usually played at a neutral venue that is deemed halfway between the participating teams. Some of the more common venues include Clonmult Memorial Park, Páirc Shéamuis de Barra, St. Catherine's Park, Church Road and Páirc Liam Mhic Cárthaigh.

Final

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The final has always been played at one of Cork GAA's two main stadiums. On several occasions the final has been played at Páirc Uí Chaoimh as the curtain raiser to the senior final. The rebuilding and subsequent improvement works to Páirc Uí Chaoimh resulted in several finals being held at Páirc Uí Rinn.[4]

Managers

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Managers in the Cork Championship are involved in the day-to-day running of the team, including the training, team selection, and sourcing of players. Their influence varies from club-to-club and is related to the individual club committees. The manager is assisted by a team of two or three selectors and a backroom team consisting of various coaches.

Recent winning managers
Manager(s) Team Wins Winning years
Dermot O'Riordan Carrigtwohill 1 2007
Tadhg Hurley Blarney 1 2008
Finbarr Bermingham Douglas 1 2009
Anthony McCarthy Ballymartle 1 2010
Diarmuid Corcoran Courcey Rovers 1 2011
Johnny Crowley Ballinhassig 1 2012
Christy Cooney Youghal 1 2013
Jimmy Quilty Ballyhea 1 2014
Eugene Desmond Newcestown 1 2015
Niall O'Halloran Bandon 1 2016
Donagh Duane Kanturk 1 2017
John Moloney Charleville 1 2018
Dave Colbert
James O'Connor
Fr. O'Neill's 1 2019
Paul O'Leary Blarney 1 2020

Sean Guiheen - Courcey Rovers - 2021 Paul mc carthy - Inniscarra - 2022

Trophy

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The winning team is presented with the Séamus Long Cup. A national school teacher by profession, Séamus Long (1884-1953) was elected secretary of the Ballincollig club in 1914, before serving as the first secretary of the Muskerry Board in 1924. A founder-member of the Ballinora club the same year, he was the club's first chairman. Long also served as vice-chairman of the Cork County Board and was a Munster Council delegate from 1949 until his death in 1953.

List of Finals

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Legend

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  • Gold – Munster intermediate club champions
  • Silver – Munster intermediate club runners-up

List of Cork PIHC finals

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Year Winners Runners-up Venue #
Club Score Club Score
2024
2023 Castlelyons 0-19 Kilworth 0-17 Páirc Uí Chaoimh
2022 Inniscarra 3-12 Castlemartyr 1-17 Páirc Uí Chaoimh
2021 Courcey Rovers 1-19 Castlelyons 1-18 Páirc Uí Chaoimh
2020 Blarney 1-20 Castlelyons 0-15 Páirc Uí Chaoimh
2019 Fr O'Neills 3-23 Kilworth 1-20 Páirc Uí Rinn [5]
2018 Charleville 1-09, 0-15 Courcey Rovers 0-12, 0-14 Páirc Uí Rinn [6]
2017 Kanturk 0-17 Mallow 1-12 Páirc Uí Rinn [7]
2016 Bandon 1-20 Fermoy 1-14 Páirc Uí Rinn [8]
2015 Newcestown 1-23 Valley Rovers 0-08 Páirc Uí Rinn [9]
2014 Ballyhea 1-17 Newcestown 0-16 Páirc Uí Chaoimh [10]
2013 Youghal 0-11 Castlelyons 0-10 Páirc Uí Rinn [11]
2012 Ballinhassig 1-19 Bandon 1-12 Páirc Uí Chaoimh [12]
2011 Courcey Rovers 0-15 Youghal 1-09 Páirc Uí Rinn [13]
2010 Ballymartle 2-14 Tracton 0-13 Páirc Uí Chaoimh [14]
2009 Douglas 0-20 Ballymartle 0-16 Páirc Uí Chaoimh [15]
2008 Blarney 0-13 Courcey Rovers 1-09 Páirc Uí Chaoimh [16]
2007 Carrigtwohill 3-14 Watergrasshill 3-12 Páirc Uí Chaoimh [17]
2006 Bishopstown 0-20 Carrigtwohill 1-11 Páirc Uí Chaoimh [18]
2005 Ballinhassig 1-16 Aghada 1-11 Páirc Uí Rinn
2004 St. Catherine's 1-11 Courcey Rovers 1-08 Páirc Uí Chaoimh

Roll of honour

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By club

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# Club Titles Runners-up Winning years Losing years
1 Border Courcey Rovers 2 3 2011, 2021 2004, 2008, 2018
Border Ballinhassig 2 0 2005, 2012
Border Blarney 2 0 2008, 2020
4 Border Castlelyons 1 3 2023 2013, 2020, 2021
Border Carrigtwohill 1 1 2007 2006
Border Ballymartle 1 1 2010 2009
Border Youghal 1 1 2013 2011
Border Newcestown 1 1 2015 2014
Border Bandon 1 1 2016 2012
Border St. Catherine's 1 0 2004
Border Bishopstown 1 0 2006
Douglas 1 0 2009
Border Ballyhea 1 0 2014
Border Kanturk 1 0 2017
Border Charleville 1 0 2018
Border Fr O'Neills 1 0 2019
Border Inniscarra 1 0 2022
18 Border Kilworth 0 2 2019, 2023
Border Watergrasshill 0 1 2007
Border Aghada 0 1 2005
Border Tracton 0 1 2010
Border Valley Rovers 0 1 2015
Border Fermoy 0 1 2016
Border Mallow 0 1 2017
Border Castlemartyr 0 1 2022

By Division

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# Division Titles Runners-Up Total Most recent success
1 Border Imokilly 5 9 14 2023
Border Carrigdhoun 5 6 11 2021
3 Border Muskerry 4 0 4 2022
4 Border Avondhu 2 4 6 2018
Border Carbery 2 2 4 2016
Border Seandun 2 0 2 2009
7 Border Duhallow 1 0 1 2017

Records and statistics

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Teams

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The following is a list of teams who have played in the Cork Premier Intermediate Hurling Championship since its formation in 2004 to the current championships season. As of the 2020 season, 31 teams have played in the Cork Premier Intermediate Hurling Championship.

All statistics here refer to time in the Cork Premier Intermediate Hurling Championship only, with the exception of 'Most Recent Finish' (which refers to all levels of play). Cork Premier Intermediate Hurling Championship teams playing in the 2020 championship season are indicated in bold. A 'spell' refers to a number of consecutive seasons within the championship, uninterrupted by relegation. If the longest spell is the current spell, this is shown in bold.

Club Location Total
seasons
Total
spells
Longest
spell
Most recent
promotion
Most recent
relegation
Total
seasons
absent
Seasons Most recent
finish
Best
finish
Top scorer
Aghabullogue Coachford 9 1 9 Never
promoted
2012 0 2004-2012 Semi-finalists
Cork IHC
Quarter-finalists Pa Finnegan
(8-96)
Aghada Aghada 8 2 5 2017 2008 8 2004–2008
2018–
Group stage Runners-up Trevor O'Keeffe
(2-116)
Argideen Rangers Timoleague 6 1 6 Never
promoted
2011 0 2006-2011 Quarter-finalists
Cork IHC
Quarter-finalists
Ballincollig Ballincollig 12 2 10 Never
promoted
2013 0 2004-2013
2019–
Quarter-finalists Semi-finalists
Ballinhassig Ballinhassig 10 3 7 2012 Never
relegated
7 2004–2005
2012
2014–
Group stage Champions
Ballyhea Ballyhea 11 1 11 2014 Never
relegated
0 2004-2014 Quarter-finalists
Cork SHC
Champions Neil Ronan
(9-144)
Ballymartle Riverstick 4 1 4 2010 Never
relegated
0 2007-2010 Round 2
Cork SHC
Champions
Bandon Bandon 5 1 5 2016 Never
relegated
0 2012-2016 Round 3
Cork SHC
Champions Ronan Crowley
(8-116)
Bishopstown Bishopstown 3 1 3 2006 Never
relegated
0 2004-2006 Quarter-finalists
Cork SHC
Champions Pa Cronin
(3-62)
Blackrock Blackrock 1 1 1 Never
promoted
2020 0 2020 Relegated Relegated
Blarney Blarney 15 2 10 2020 Never
relegated
2 2004–2008
2011–2020
Champions Champions Mark Cremin
(0-90)
Carrigaline Carrigaline 12 1 12 Never
promoted
Never
relegated
0 2009– Semi-finalists Quarter-finalists Rob O'Shea
(14-153)
Carrigtwohill Carrigtwohill 4 1 4 2007 Never
relegated
0 2004-2007 Semi-finalists
Cork SHC
Champions Niall McCarthy
(0-80)
Castlelyons Castlelyons 11 1 11 Never
promoted
Never
relegated
0 2010– Runners-up Runners-up
Charleville Charleville 3 1 3 2018 Never
relegated
0 2016-2018 Round 3
Cork SHC
Champions Darragh Fitzgibbon
(3-66)
Cloyne Cloyne 7 1 7 Never
promoted
Never
relegated
0 2013-2019 Round 2 Semi-finalists Diarmuid O'Sullivan
(17-94)
Courcey Rovers Ballinspittle 14 2 8 2011 Never
relegated
3 2004–2011
2015–
Semi-finalists Champions Daire Lordan
(0-104)
Delanys Dublin Hill 1 1 1 Never
promoted
2007 0 2007 Knockout stage
City JAHC
Relegation final Paul Finnegan (0-13)
Douglas Douglas 2 1 2 2009 Never
relegated
0 2008-2009 Round 3
Cork SHC
Champions Mark Harrington (6-16)
Fermoy Fermoy 5 1 5 Never
promoted
Never
relegated
0 2015-2019 Round 3 Runners-up Liam Coleman
(6-128)
Fr. O'Neill's Ballymacoda 6 2 3 2019 2010 6 2008-2010
2017-2019
Champions Champions Declan Dalton
(9-78)
Inniscarra Inniscarra 17 1 17 Never
promoted
Never
relegated
0 2004– Group stage Semi-finalists
Kanturk Kanturk 4 1 4 2017 Never
relegated
0 2014-2017 Round 3
Cork SHC
Champions
Kilbrittain Kilbrittain 4 1 4 Never
promoted
2014 0 2011-2014 Relegation play-off
Cork IHC
Semi-finalists
Kilworth Kilworth 7 1 7 Never
promoted
Never
relegated
0 2013-2019 Runners-up Runners-up Noel McNamara
(15-136)
Mallow Mallow 16 1 16 Never
promoted
Never
relegated
0 2004-2019 Round 3 Runners-up Seán Hayes
(13-141)
Newcestown Newcestown 12 1 12 2015 Never
relegated
0 2004-2015 Round 2
Cork SHC
Champions Eoin Kelly
(9-142)
St. Catherine's Ballynoe 1 2 1 2004 2009 0 2004
2009
Round 4
Cork IHC
Champions Michael Hegarty
(1-34)
St. Finbarr's Togher 3 1 3 Never
promoted
2006 0 2004-2006 Round 3
Cork IHC
Round 3
Tracton Tracton 14 1 14 Never
promoted
2017 0 2004-2017 Round 4
Cork IHC
Runners-up Ronan Walsh
(12-336)
Valley Rovers Innishannon 11 1 11 Never
promoted
Never
relegated
0 2010– Relegation playoff Runners-up Chris O'Leary
(9-153)
Youghal Youghal 13 2 10 Never
promoted
Never
relegated
4 2004-2013
2018–
Group stage Champions Leigh Desmond
(12-141)
Watergrasshill Watergrasshill 16 1 16 Never
promoted
Never
relegated
0 2005– Quarter-finalists Runners-up

Final

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Team

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Top scorers

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All time

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As of match played 12 October 2019.
Rank Name Team Goals Points Total
1 Ronan Walsh Tracton 12 336 372
2 Rob O'Shea Carrigaline 14 153 195
3 Noel McNamara Kilworth 15 136 181
4 Seán Hayes Mallow 13 141 180
5 Leigh Desmond Youghal 12 141 177

By season

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Overall
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Year Top scorer Team Score Total
2004 Pa Dineen Mallow 3-25 34
2005 Trevor O'Keeffe Aghada 1-45 48
2006 Pa Cronin Bishopstown 3-36 45
2007 Ronan Walsh Tracton 5-30 45
2008 Ger O'Leary Fr. O'Neill's 2-38 44
2009 Daniel Twomey Newcestown 3-20 36
2010 Ronan Walsh Tracton 2-57 63
2011 Éamonn Collins Valley Rovers 6-33 51
2012 Ronan Crowley Bandon 4-33 45
2013 Ronan Walsh Tracton 2-46 52
2014 Adrian Mannix Kilworth 0-43 43
2015 Seán Hayes Mallow 4-36 48
2016 Liam Coleman Fermoy 3-51 60
2017 Chris O'Leary Valley Rovers 3-32 41
2018 Tadhg O'Sullivan Courcey Rovers 1-49 52
2019 Declan Dalton Fr. O'Neill's 3-45 54
2020 Mark Coleman Blarney 1-50 53
Single game
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Year Top scorer Team Score Total
2004 Pa Dineen Mallow 1-09 12
2005 Neil Ronan Ballyhea 2-08 14
2006 Pa Cronin Bishopstown 2-07 13
2007 Leigh Desmond Youghal 1-09 12
2008 Ger O'Leary Fr. O'Neill's 2-09 15
2009 Daniel Twomey Newcestown 0-12 12
Maurice O'Sullivan Ballyhea
2010 Ronan Walsh Tracton 0-13 13
2011 Aaron Sheehan Mallow 1-10 16
Rory O'Doherty Ballincollig
2012 Ronan Crowley Bandon 3-06 15
2013 Ronan Walsh Tracton 2-10 16
Adrian Mannix Kilworth 1-13
2014 Adrian Mannix Kilworth 0-13 13
2015 Seán Hayes Mallow 2-13 19
2016 Noel McNamara Kilworth 3-05 14
2017 Chris O'Leary Valley Rovers 1-10 13
2018 Tadhg O'Sullivan Courcey Rovers 1-09 12
Shane O'Regan Watergrasshill 0-12
2019 Brian Kelleher Carrigaline 2-10 16
Brian Kelleher Carrigaline
2020 Eoin O'Farrell Blackrock 1-12 15
Chris O'Leary Valley Rovers 0-15

In finals

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Cumulative
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Pos. Player Team Score Total
1 Ronan Crowley Bandon 2-16 22
2 Tadhg O'Sullivan Courcey Rovers 0-15 15
3 Daniel Twomey Newcestown 1-11 14
Declan Dalton Fr. O'Neill's
Mark Coleman Blarney 0-14
4 Seánie O'Farrell Carrigtwohill 3-02 11
Rory O'Dwyer Ballymartle 0-11
Niall McCarthy Carrigtwohill
Noel McNamara Kilworth
5 Fintan O'Leary Ballinhassig 2-04 10
Leigh Desmond Youghal 1-07
Individual
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Year Top scorer Team Score Total
2004 Michael Hegarty Courcey Rovers 0-05 5
2005 Trevor O'Keeffe Aghada 0-09 9
2006 Pa Cronin Bishopstown 0-09 9
2007 Seánie O'Farrell Carrigtwohill 3-01 10
2008 Cian Lordan Courcey Rovers 1-03 6
2009 Rory O'Dwyer Ballymartle 0-10 10
2010 Ronan Walsh Tracton 0-07 7
2011 Leigh Desmond Youghal 1-04 7
2012 Ronan Crowley Bandon 1-06 9
2013 Colm Spillane Castlelyons 0-07 7
2014 Daniel Twomey Newcestown 0-06 6
2015 Daniel Twomey Newcestown 1-05 8
2016 Ronan Crowley Bandon 1-10 13
2017 Lorcán McLoughlin Kanturk 0-08 8
2018 Tadhg O'Sullivan Courcey Rovers 0-08 8
2019 Declan Dalton Fr. O'Neill's 1-11 14
2020 Mark Coleman Blarney 0-14 14

See also

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