This article was nominated for deletion on 15 January 2019. The result of the discussion was keep.
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourcedmust be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Business, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of business articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.BusinessWikipedia:WikiProject BusinessTemplate:WikiProject BusinessWikiProject Business articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of women on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.WomenWikipedia:WikiProject WomenTemplate:WikiProject WomenWikiProject Women articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of politics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoliticsWikipedia:WikiProject PoliticsTemplate:WikiProject Politicspolitics articles
Below a citation for a TV program in which Martha Choe appears. As currently structured, there is no heading under which to put this.
Young, Donald,; Sakya, Sapana; Yu, Kung Sun; Locke, Gary,; Zia, Helen; Postman, David; Choe, Martha; Cain, Bruce E; Lee, Mona,; Bautista, Martin; Lim, Jeffrey; Lee, Lela; Kim, Elaine H; Orenstein, Peggy; Castle, Diane (2003). Searching for Asian America. National Asian American Telecommunications Association. OCLC56605261.{{cite AV media}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) Segments from a television series looking at the Asian American experience.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
I have serious doubts the subject meets WP:NBIO. The only possible notable achievement may be having a high rank (CAO) in a major NGO, but still, CAO is not CEO, and I don't think CAOs are auto-notable. There is some in-depth coverage, ex. [1] in Crosscut.com, but even that one is half-interview, and that's about it - other stories about her like [2] seem nearly total self-authored per WP:INTERVIEW if not worse as in press releases ([3]). The Crosscut award ([4]) also doesn't seem sufficient for notability. Maybe if all of those are added together, but still, this is a borderline case that would benefit from further comments from the community. Personally I don't see sufficient evidence of notability, so my nom vote is 'delete'. Thoughts? PS. The creator of this article, Ottawahitech is indef-blocked, with a note saying that nearly a 1000 of their articles have been deleted. Not that it should prejudice us... much. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here14:32, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. You are leaving out (and the article as it stands barely mentions) her main notability. She served two terms on the 9-member Seattle City Council (and was, by the way, the first Korean American ever to serve on the council). Because the city council is only 9 people for a city of over half a million, I'd say that any elected member of the council is de facto notable (not so sure about people appointed to fill out a term who don't run for reelection, but that's not relevant here). Further, as mentioned at https://crosscut.com/2016/10/martha-choe-lifetime-achievement-2016-courage-awards, she was director of the Washington State Department of Community, Trade and Economic Development (later Department of Commerce), the state-level equivalent of a cabinet position. In short: this article needs a bunch of work, but she is certainly notable. - Jmabel | Talk16:30, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nor being the first Korean American to hold the office? Nor later being head of a statewide gov't department? Are you saying that even the Crosscut source I cited still doesn't bring her up to notability? - Jmabel | Talk23:25, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Crosscut.com is a good source, but it is regional so it's a fairly weak argument for notability. It would be useful to show that her work is discussed in academic or national publications. And also to hsow that in one of her various positions she had a significant or enduring impact on something. User:Jmabel, it may be that there is notability here, but someone would have to do the work to WP:HEYMANN by showing coverage and/or impact - preferably both.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:48, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
*Not unless there was widespread media coverage of the fact. We have a lot of immigrant groups in the U.S., and 50 states. So, no, the first Greek-American college president in Illinois, or the first Cuban-American city council member in Jacksonville would not be not inherently notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:03, 16 January 2019 (UTC) My bad.E.M.Gregory (talk) 02:33, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the sources in the article do not meet WP:BIO/WP:GNG. City councillors do not get automatic notability grants per NPOL, though they are more likely to meet WP:GNG for larger cities. I don't care if my vote is disregarded if better sourcing is later demonstrated. SportingFlyerT·C19:02, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Probably Delete. City councilor in Seattle, a moderately large city, does not confer automatic notability. she has been written up, but only in regional publications like Seattle Magazine and Northwest Asian Weekly. I don't think it's quite enough. E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:39, 15 January 2019 (UTC). withdrawing to allow time for a closer look at sources.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:48, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I can see how looking at the versions of this article prior to this month you'd think it looked like the resume of an obscure corporate executive, but the notability is not now obvious. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 21:15, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.