Talk:Arctodus

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It should be noted that the original talkpage and talkpage history were redirected to Talk:Short face bear and never moved back when this article was renamed. This and Talk:Short face bear need to be merged. --Kevmin § 18:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Move?

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved to common name -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:17, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

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Great article about an awesome beast! But...why was it moved from Short-faced bear? Did something overrule WP:COMMONNAME? Chrisrus (talk) 04:13, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Arctodus → Short-faced bear – WP:COMMONNAME -- relisted --Mike Cline (talk) 14:36, 20 March 2012 (UTC) Chrisrus (talk) 16:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

• Support. Per COMMONNAME and also note that since Short-faced bear already redirects here this proposal is supported by WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (that is, it does not need to be at Arctodus for disambiguation). --Born2cycle (talk) 00:03, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose per common name, Arctodus is the most common name and there are two vernacular names, "short-face bear" and "bulldog bear".--Kevmin § 01:17, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

"Common name" refers to readers, not experts. Everything should always be about the readers and their needs. Even so, Google Scholar searches for "short-faced bear" resulted in 1,400 hits. For "arctodus" it's 651. "Bulldog bear" yielded eleven hits, most of which were in parenthesis after the term "short-faced bear". What will happen when we do a general google search or one on You-tube? It can only get more heavily weighed toward "short-faced". Where does your idea that "arctodus" is more common come from? Chrisrus (talk) 01:50, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Was that 1400 with or without quotes? Searching with it in quotes gives 639. Youtube is not a reliable source for names.--Kevmin § 08:02, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

You tube is a place people might have heard of this animal from. Another is TV, popular science magazines media in general. Please think in terms of a likely reader, not an expert, doing the search. A general Google search yields @54,200,000 hits for "short-faced bear" in quotes, and only 31,500 for Arctodus. And anyway, none of that matters really because "Arctodus" is a technical name for use by experts only and isn't English per se but a contrived international Latin/greek taxonmic term for use by experts and, and "short-faced bear" is a common name used used by common people and experts when they are speaking English. It's like calling the article "lion" "Felis leo". Please read WP:COMMONNAME. Chrisrus (talk) 15:07, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

• Support and speedy close - WP:FAUNA says to use a scientific name only when there is no common name to use. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:45, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support, though patiently, per nom and WP:FAUNA. ENeville (talk) 18:28, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support, because I found this article by typing in "short-faced bear".--Brambleshire (talk) 05:32, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Size comparison

Is there a more accurate size comparison somewhere? If so, I can use it as reference, and shrink the man in the article's image. FunkMonk (talk) 00:51, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Mass

Hello, i added new recent informations about the mass of this animal. I also replaced the image which compares arctodus simus with a human because this image was not really accurate.--C T (talk) 18:10, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Height of Short Face Bear

I see that the reference for the largest male specimen of Short Face bear from Shasta County, California and Yukon Territory give a standing height of 4 meters. I was curious if this is true? All of the height estimates on 2 legs, that I have seen for Arctodus range from 11 to 12 feet, or 3.5 meters. Is there any evidence Yukonensis and Shastanensis were taller than the average. Large males may have commonly grown this big, but it seems very tall for an average. Just curious. --174.25.117.220 (talk) 20:23, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

It is not true, take it as original research but I've made an skeletal based on the specimen described by Richards & Turnbull (1995), I've improved it in details since the last time I reposed it to be standing on 2 legs but I got it to be 2.9m tall and its measurements are around 90% those of the biggest specimens known, heights over 3.5m are certainly out of the question, even 3.5m looks like a tall order. Mike.BRZ (talk) 21:43, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Name

The short-faced bear, also known as the bulldog bear, or Arctodus (Greek, "bear tooth")

Doesn't this imply that short-faced bear is as valid a name as Arctodus? wouldn't something like this be more appropriate? "The short-faced bear, also known as the bulldog bear, is the common name of the extinct bear genus Arctodus (Greek, "bear tooth"). Mike.BRZ (talk) 21:47, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Hunting style?

"Paul Matheus, paleontologist at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, determined that Arctodus' moved in a pacing motion like a camel, horse, and modern bears, making it built more for endurance than for great speed. A. simus, according to these arguments, was ill-equipped to be an active predator...."

This conclusion does not necessarily follow from the premise. There are lots of carnivores that are endurance hunters, chasing their prey over long distances until it wears down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.163.217.104 (talk) 13:49, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Um, all bears are 'active predators' - they grab fish and small animals all the time - Matheus' comment needed to be fine-tuned. Are bears killers like a lion? No - but they are most assuredly active predators. So is a blue whale. 104.169.28.113 (talk) 08:47, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

In Media

I don't know if this is worth creating a subsection for, but this animal appears in the video game Guild Wars 2 in an ice age-like setting. Might be worth creating a subsection if anyone knows any other notable depictions. Natural ironist (talk) 03:47, 26 August 2016 (UTC)