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Kasia Niewiadoma In cycling, Katarzyna Niewiadoma (pictured) wins the Tour de France Femmes. Doctors strike and protests occur across India after the rape and murder of a female physician in Kolkata. Paetongtarn Shinawatra becomes Prime Minister of Thailand after Srettha Thavisin is dismissed by the Constitutional Court. The World Health Organization declares the mpox epidemic to be a global health emergency. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war timeline Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Salim Al-Huss Maryvonne Le Dizès Betty Halbreich Sven-Göran Eriksson Atsuko Tanaka Afa Anoaʻi view — page history — related changes — edit

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January 29

Portal:Current events/2024 January 29

January 29, 2024 (2024-01-29) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Insurgency in Balochistan Baloch Liberation Army forces launch a multipronged attack dubbed "Operation Dara-e-Bolan" on Pakistani security forces, capturing checkpoints and Pakistani bases in Machh, and attacking other areas, including Kolpur. (The Balochistan Post) Russian invasion of Ukraine Russia claims control of the village of Tabaivka, but this is denied by Ukraine. (Kyiv Independent) Business and economy Chinese property sector crisis The High Court of Hong Kong orders Evergrande Group into liquidation after the real estate developer fails to restructure a debt amount in excess of US$300 billion. (AP) Amazon terminates its proposed US$1.7 billion acquisition of consumer robot manufacturer iRobot Corporation after facing antitrust scrutiny from the European Commission. (AP) CNN Philippines announces cessation of operations starting January 31, after broadcasting for nine years, due to financial losses by its parent company Nine Media Corporation. (Nikkei Asia) Law and crime Iran–Israel proxy conflict Four men are executed in Iran after being convicted of planning a bomb attack ordered by Israel’s Mossad agency on a factory making military equipment. (Al Jazeera) The man who claimed that he is the fugitive Satoshi Kirishima, a former member of the East Asia Anti-Japan Armed Front who was wanted for his role in a series of bombings in the 1970s and who was arrested by Japanese police on January 25, dies of cancer in a hospital in Tokyo, Japan. However, it has not been confirmed if the man was actually Kirishima. (NHK World) Police arrest five people for the deaths of six people found in the desert near El Mirage, California, United States, allegedly over an illegal marijuana trade. The victims were shot dead, with the bodies of four of them being burned. (The Guardian) Politics and elections 2024 South African general election Former President Jacob Zuma is suspended from the African National Congress, the party he led from 2007 to 2017. (BBC News) Science and technology American neurotechnology company Neuralink announces it has implanted its brain–computer interface in a human brain for the first time, and that the person is "recovering well" with "initial results showing promising neuron spike detection". (The Guardian)

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Kamila Valieva ruling

Article: Kamila Valieva (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Court of Arbitration for Sport rules that Russian figure skater Kamila Valieva violated anti-doping rules, banning her from competition until December 2025 and stripping her of medals won since December 2021, including at the 2022 Winter Olympics. (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Big international news in the world of figure skating. Probably means that the USA wins the team competition now. Natg 19 (talk) 19:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jimy Williams

Article: Jimy Williams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/jimy-williams-former-astros-blue-jays-and-red-sox-manager-dies-at-80-a-true-staple-and-leader/
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Flibirigit (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former Major League Baseball manager. Will work on this within the next few days. Flibirigit (talk) 18:38, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

I will help too. RIP. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:45, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

RD: Arne Hegerfors

Article: Arne Hegerfors (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1], [2]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by BabbaQ (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

15:16, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support - article isn't huge but it looks well sourced enough ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 17:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Icon of the Seas

Article: Icon of the Seas (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The world's largest cruise ship, Icon of the Seas (pictured), starts its maiden voyage. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, DW, NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by SuperHondamaze (talk · give credit)
• Updated by GA-RT-22 (talk · give credit) and Gdeblois19 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

It's getting coverage because of its size and its use of LNG as fuel. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support – Reasonable encyclopedic feature. Not the most impressive article, but almost everything is cited. Looks good. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Lots of rich people go on holiday on big boat. Nigej (talk) 11:16, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  I know this is probably simply a matter of perspective, but rich people own their own yachts, whereas the middle class is relegated to cruise ships. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  As well as that, "rich people on boat" doesn't disqualify an item. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:12, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  What kind of argument is this? Do we we have to consider people social class before add a news? 😅 3000MAX (talk) 15:26, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  Half-joking of course, but is this really any different to a lovely new luxury hotel opening somewhere. Not really, it just that this one floats and moves around. Nigej (talk) 15:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  Fair enough PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  I guess not. It's probably just a personal feeling of disgust that the predictable onward march of capitalism should be on a par with thousands dying in wars/ natural disasters. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:45, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  ...its a cruise ship PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:06, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  I think we can probably agree on that. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 16:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose They keep making these bigger and bigger, this is not a sustainable record. --Masem (t) 12:55, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  Yup, it seems to be new record every 2 to 6 years. At a 12,000 tons increase, this is the largest jump a long while (ever?). Length-wise the increase is less impressive. Maybe it would make more sense to only feature these sorts of new records if they are particularly well-written? Not that I would mind a single feature every three years. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:02, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  Concur, that's no sustainable record. Bremps... 13:23, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as per Maplestrip, this is a constantly being broken record. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:21, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: as above, rich people on a luxury boat. Hasn't even got Jane McDonald (?) Might support if it sank. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:31, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose We didn't post a blurb when Wonder of the Seas became the largest cruise ship in 2022. I don't see any reason why this should be different. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 14:39, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  I believe it wasn't nominated, was it? I cannot find it in the archives. If it was opposed for "significance" back then too then that would be considered precedent of a sort, though every ship and article is different. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 15:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  As far as I can tell, it wasn't nominated. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 15:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  Wonder was the last of a class of five and wan't significantly bigger or different from her predecessors. Icon is a new class and significantly bigger. GA-RT-22 (talk) 19:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Weak Support - Per @Maplestrip. Interesting encyclopedic entry. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:09, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose indistinguishable from advertising. 217.180.228.138 (talk) 15:30, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support – I'm not in favor of giant cruise ships either but I do think it's interesting news and it does have some innovative technology. News doesn't have to be good to still be news. Because of this ship we're finally starting to get some debate on the merits of having these monstrosities roaming the oceans. I didn't know, for example, that Venice, Amsterdam, and Barcelona are closing cruise terminals and starting to restrict how many visitors can debark at a time. Others have argued that bigger ships seem to arrive every couple of years. It seems that way because the recent expansion of the Panama Canal made these bigger ships possible. Now that Icon of the Seas has gone into service they can't get much bigger, so we will see the pace of these new arrivals start to slow down. It's possible that Icon will be the biggest cruise ship for a while. GA-RT-22 (talk) 15:38, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose per Masem. Only the largest cruise ship as of 2024. Reading List of largest cruise ships it looks like every couple of years Royal Caribbean International debuts a bigger and bigger ship. Before Icon of the Seas, the #1 largest was Wonder of the Seas, also a Royal Caribbean ship, which unveiled in 2022. Before Wonder of the Seas, the #1 largest was Symphony of the Seas, also a Royal Caribbean ship, which unveiled in 2018. And before Symphony of the Seas, the #1 largest was Harmony of the Seas, also a Royal Caribbean ship, which unveiled in 2016. Not to say that posting something every few years is too frequent, just that this particular record doesn't seem to be too notable. Always having another "brand new largest cruise ship in the world" seems to be the gimmick of one particular company.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 15:41, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  Prior to the Icon of the Seas the preceding five largest cruise ships were Oasis-class cruise ships which debuted in 2009 with the Oasis of the Seas. Icon of the Seas is the first Icon-class cruise ship. Next Icon class ship Star of the Seas is coming in 2025 and the third (as yet unnamed) in 2026. Probably the last Oasis class ship Utopia of the Seas debuts later this year. When looking at from the new largest cruise ship class point of view, it has been 15 years between Oasis and Icon classes and that is the reason for excitement and news coverage. IlkkaP (talk) 16:23, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Per Vanilla Wizard, mostly a commercial gimmick. Adding that Star of the Seas from the same class is expected to beat this record (at least in gross tonnage) when entering service next year. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 15:50, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above, this record is continuously broken every few years. More of a marketing gimmick at this point. The Kip 16:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - Not of encyclopedic interest. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:01, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Just another cruise ship which is a bit bigger than the last one. Sourcing is mostly news sites using press releases. Lots of greenspin re LNG. Let RCI pay for their own advertising Lyndaship (talk) 18:02, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support She is the lead ship of the Icon-class cruise ships and as such an advancement of the Oasis-class cruise ships that have held the title of largest cruise ship past 15 years. That is the reason for the excitement and extensive news coverage. Disclosure: I am one of the editors of the article in the question. IlkkaP (talk) 18:37, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose the "biggest cruise" is nothing more than pure marketing that every year has to be overcome for the busimessmen. It has no encyclopedic value because of what many have said above. My condolences to the cities that will receive this macro-cruise.. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Tower 22 drone strike

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Article: Tower 22 drone attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An Iranian-backed militia group launched a drone strike on a U.S. military outpost in Jordan, killing three U.S. soldiers and injuring more than 30 others. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/28/politics/us-troops-drone-attack-jordan/index.html
Credits:

• Nominated by 3000MAX (talk · give credit)

• Oppose - covered under ongoing. If this escalates, or the US's response is extreme, then that warrants posting, but at the moment, this is just part of the Red Sea Crisis. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:06, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Red sea crisis is happening under the involvement of Houthis, also the site were the attack occurred is far from red sea, also the perpetrators aren't houthis, it's a part of attacks on U.S. in the region rather then red sea crisis or israeli-hamas conflicit. Also it's worth noting that 3 Americans are dead, which is a rare thing in these kind of attacks, last time Americans died in these attacks resulted in assassination of Qasem Solomani, which gives me a sign that this attack is in another level. 3000MAX (talk) 06:18, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Rockstone. Banedon (talk) 06:23, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for now This seems like spillover from the Israel-Hamas War & can be covered by that for now. That’ll change if this escalates. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - Per above. This is essentially just spillover from conflicts already covered (Israel-Hamas, and the Red Sea crisis to an extent). This *might* lead to something more major in the future, but in that case, now would be far too early to post this. Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk) 08:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Covered in Ongoing.

Setarip (talk) 12:49, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Covered by Ongoing - Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Just to note, many editors are saying that this is covered by ongoing, but I can only find links to pages containing this event in the Red Sea crisis and the Israel-Hamas war, no explicit mentions of the drone strike. Regardless of whether it is ongoing, I still think the significant impact would be the potential U.S. response, and we could mention the drone strike as something the U.S. retaliated for if a big U.S. response occurs. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 14:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

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Evergrande Group

Article: Evergrande Group (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Evergrande Group, formerly China's largest real estate firm, has been ordered to liquidate. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/business/china-evergrande.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Bremps (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 174.160.233.71 (talk · give credit)

• Oppose Group has been basically out of cash since 2021, this was (as the article notes) just signing off on its death. --Masem (t) 13:30, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The article says the group went bankrupt in August 2023, and had collapsed financially by 2021. Being liquidated with those details in mind doesn't seem to be that significant. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 14:17, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support on principle, weak oppose on update We didn't post this story in 2021 or in August 2023, so I think it's still eligible to be posted. Appears to be the largest non-bank bankruptcy ever. Article quality is fairly good, with one CN tag on a line that doesn't need to be in the article and could easily be deleted by the posting admin. All that's missing is a prose update. This also allows underrepresented business news to be posted to ITN. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:23, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  ITN generally doesn't post business news in the first place. Masem (t) 19:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support per NorthernFalcon, especially if we didn't previously post this. The Kip 18:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

January 28

Portal:Current events/2024 January 28

January 28, 2024 (2024-01-28) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Spillover of the Israel–Hamas war Attacks on U.S. bases in Iraq, Jordan, and Syria Tower 22 drone attack Three American soldiers are killed and 47 others are injured in a drone attack upon a U.S. base in Rukban, Mafraq Governorate, Jordan, near the border with Syria, by Islamic Resistance in Iraq militants. (CNBC) Turkey–Islamic State conflict 2024 Istanbul church shooting A Turkish man is shot dead by two masked gunmen at an Italian Roman Catholic church in Sarıyer, Istanbul, Turkey. The Islamic State claims responsibility. (AP) Insurgency in the Maghreb Twenty-two people are killed during a mass shooting at the village of Motogatta in the Tillabéri Region, in Niger. (Barron's) Disasters and accidents In Afghanistan, ten vehicles crash on the main highway linking Kabul and the eastern Nangarhar Province, killing 17 people and wounding ten others. Separately, 15 people are killed during four collisions in Laghman Province, near the end of the same highway. (AP) A Piper PA-46 crashes in the rural area of Itapeva, Minas Gerais, Brazil, killing all seven people on board. (O Globo) Six hundred hectares of forest are destroyed by fire in Los Alerces National Park, a UNESCO World Heritage Site in Patagonia, Argentina. (NOS) A local official in South Kivu, Democratic Republic of Congo, reports that an overloaded wooden boat, on board 50 people, has capsized on Lake Kivu on Sunday. Three people died, while search is ongoing for about 37 others. (AP via Africanews) Law and crime Environmental protesters throw pumpkin soup at the Mona Lisa in the Louvre in Paris, France. The painting is protected by bulletproof glass and was not damaged. (BBC News) Sports 2024 ATP Tour 2024 Australian Open In tennis, Jannik Sinner defeats Daniil Medvedev in the final, 3–6, 3–6, 6–4, 6–4, 6–3, to win the men's singles title at the 2024 Australian Open. It is Sinner's first major singles title and the first for an Italian player at the tournament. (CNN) 2023 NFL season In American football, the Kansas City Chiefs defeat the Baltimore Ravens and the San Francisco 49ers defeat the Detroit Lions to advance to Super Bowl LVIII. (USA Today)

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Australian Open

Article: 2024 Australian Open (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, Aryna Sabalenka wins the Women's Singles and Jannik Sinner wins the Men's Singles at the Australian Open. (Post)
News source(s): BBC - Men's singles, BBC - Women's singles
Credits:

• Nominated by Blaylockjam10 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: The Australian Open is ITN/R, but it looks like the article needs some work done before it can be posted. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:38, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality like many tennis articles before it, lacks any prose summary in the main article about the events themselves. The fact there is prose in some child articles like 2024 Australian Open – Men's singles doesn't take away from the fact that the main article actually needs some prose rather than just tables and lists of the results from the finals. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The quality concern over the tennis ITNR articles have been rised many times for the past few years. Correct me if I was wrong, the last time we posted a Grand Slam was the 2020 French Open, which demonstrated the standard for how well-written should an ITNR item be. Unnamelessness (talk) 12:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• That article is a good example of the sort of quality we should be expecting for ITN to post this. A few sentences summarising the tournaments, with a paragraph or two on the main events (men's and women's singles) would be fine for this to get posted. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality per Joseph2302. Just links to sub-articles and a set of pretty meaningless tables. Nigej (talk) 13:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality per above. Virtually no prose beyond the lead. The Kip 18:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing: War in Sudan

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Article: War in Sudan (2023–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by lukt64 (talk · give credit)

RSF offensive into West Kordofan started

• Oppose - ITN isn't an armed conflict ticker. Just because a new offensive happens in a war doesn't mean we put it up, unless it gets a significant amount of attention (which this isn't). For this reason, I also think we should take down the Myanmar Civil War PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:15, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• Weak Support Although there was consensus to remove Sudan from the ITN Ongoing 10 days ago, it was removed on the basis that there was an insufficient quantity of updates. To quote JM from the discussion I linked, "Sudan was removed once already, but then put back up when the conflict picked back up again. No reason that we can't do that again." --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:04, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• A two sentence update that covered an event from 3 days ago doesn't cut it for ongoing. We also have limited space on the ongoing line, and the conflicts listed have far more worldwide consequences at this point. --Masem (t) 12:49, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• Wait There have only been two consecutive days in which actual updates about the fighting have been posted. Regardless of whether those updates are notable enough for ongoing, this is simply not enough days in a row to make it an ongoing item. If there are daily fighting updates for multiple more days, I might reconsider, but for now, there are simply not enough updates to make this ongoing. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 14:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per PrecariousWorlds. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The readership stats indicate that this is not as interesting to our readers as other wars such as the Myanmar civil war and neither of them are in the same league as Ukraine or Gaza. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:25, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Yet again, readership numbers do not have any application to whether we include or remove stories on ITN — Masem (t) 20:31, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
  • If readership stats are low, readers cannot easily access the article, so it makes sense to post it on the main page.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:40, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
    • They were low while it was posted, too. Relative to the other features, anyway, might beat a few other wars. That's not to say we (traditionally and generally) care about what the readers want. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:02, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
    • The list of ongoing armed conflicts lists 46 different conflicts with deaths so far this year. Ongoing doesn't have space for all of them and so you have to draw the line somewhere and somehow. The nomination provides no sources or other evidence as to why Sudan is special. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC) (edit conflict)
      • Exactly my point, thank you. I also don't think pointing out readership stats is disruptive, I think judging items on what is actually getting media attention is a far better metric than the incredibly arbitrary system we have now. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  Will you stop, please? You’ve been told an innumerable amount of times how readership stats don’t matter and yet you either don’t understand or have intentionally ignored it. I’m tired of assuming good faith toward you when you continuously ignore your fellow editors. The Kip 23:03, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

  As a fellow editor, I think it's good to get input from all angles, not just the ones some of us care about. Andrew may be the most prevalent stats reporter around here, but website traffic analysis is far from some nonsense he invented.

  As a fellow badger who's also felt tired of learning about things I don't want to know, I understand you, but (professionally) advise you to "drop the stick". Just "send the pain below", nice and offscreen-like. Disruption is simply not productive. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:26, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

  Readership stats are inherently influenced by the contents of ITN. This is a circular argument: the presence of the Myanmar civil war article in Ongoing makes readers more likely to click it, which means that it will have higher readership stats. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:11, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per PrecariousWorlds and Masem. The Kip 23:03, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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January 27

Portal:Current events/2024 January 27

January 27, 2024 (2024-01-27) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Insurgency in Balochistan Sistan and Baluchestan insurgency, 2024 Iran–Pakistan border skirmishes 2024 Saravan killings Three gunmen kill nine Pakistani labourers in Saravan, Sistan and Baluchistan province, near the Iran–Pakistan border. (Reuters) Red Sea crisis Marlin Luanda missile strike Houthis missiles hit a British Trafigura oil tanker missing CENTCOM USS Carney near Aden. (CNN) The USS Carney shoots down a Houthi missile which had been fired at the warship in the Gulf of Aden. (CBS News) Israel–Hamas war UNRWA October 7 controversy The United Kingdom, United States, Australia, Italy, Canada, Finland, the Netherlands, Switzerland, and Germany suspend humanitarian aid to UNRWA over allegations that some UNRWA staff members were involved in the Hamas-led attack on Israel. (BBC News) (CBS News) Kivu conflict M23 offensive Fighting between FARDC and aligned Wazalendo groups against Rwandan-backed M23 fighters continue in Mweso and Karuba, North Kivu, DRC. (Actualite) Abyei border conflict Gunmen open fire against villagers over a suspected land dispute in the disputed area of Abyei, between South Sudan and Sudan, killing 52 people and injuring 64 others. (AP) Business and economy Icon of the Seas, the world's largest cruise ship, makes its maiden voyage at the PortMiami in Miami, Florida, U.S. (Sky News) Politics and elections 2024 Tuvaluan general election Incumbent prime minister Kausea Natano loses his seat in parliament. (Reuters) Venezuela's Supreme Court ratifies a ban from seeking any political office for 15 years on María Corina Machado, opposition leader backed by the United States. (Le Monde) (The Economist)

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(Posted) RD: Malcolm Gregson

Article: Malcolm Gregson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The PGA
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by nigej (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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English Ryder Cup golfer. Death announced on this day. Nigej (talk) 12:23, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Support the articles looks fine and fairly cited Harvici (talk) 16:25, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 22:54, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) UNWRA October 7 controversy

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Article: UNRWA October 7 controversy (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The UK, US, and 7 other Western countries halt aid to UNRWA over claims that staff members were involved in the 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel. (Post)
News source(s): CBS, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by JM2023 (talk · give credit)
• Created by ManOnTheMoon92 (talk · give credit)

I'm not sure whether or not this should be considered to be already covered by Ongoing, but I'll nominate it anyway so the community can decide what to do with it. It is related to the Israel-Hamas war in that it is related to October 7, but it's also a significant change in Western support toward a major UN agency whereby these 9 countries are not going to give anything to it anymore. Blurb taken and altered from Current Events entry above. Currently the top story on BBC's homepage. JM (talk) 23:43, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Unless the situation develops into something larger, it's not that notable right now given that these countries will probably resume funding after the investigation is over. TwistedAxe [contact] 00:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

  I'd say any assumptions about resuming or not resuming funding after the investigation might be WP:CRYSTAL, so it's best to be careful about it. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 00:31, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

  True. I still stand by my first point though. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Per TwistedAxe. Also, the out-of-context blurb might give the NPOV impression that UNRWA as an organization was involved, while the employees (alleged to be) responsible have been fired and are under investigation by UNRWA itself.
  Edit: thanks for the reply, I agree that should be okay as NPOV. The investigation is still ongoing and cutting aid over it isn't necessarily that notable, although assuming anything about the future of funding (in one direction or the other) is WP:CRYSTAL. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 00:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

  I tried to avoid that by changing the current events entry to match what the BBC said: UNRWA claims: UK halts aid to UN agency over allegation staff helped Hamas attack (emphasis mine). So I believe that's following NPOV. JM (talk) 00:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose A handful of countries stopping funding some relatively minor organization because of some alleged malfeasance isn't particularly newsworthy. JDiala (talk) 00:28, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Part of the ongoing. Also the article only has one or two paragraphs actually about the controversy. The rest is repeating background info and reaction kudzu (not including those that actually have stated they will pull support). --Masem (t) 00:30, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose As per above, this is sufficiently covered in ongoing. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 00:41, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose as this is already covered by Ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:29, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, for now. Sufficiently covered by ongoing, although future events may result it posting being warranted. BilledMammal (talk) 12:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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January 26

Portal:Current events/2024 January 26

January 26, 2024 (2024-01-26) (Friday) International relations South Africa v. Israel, Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza The International Court of Justice rules that some allegations of Israel committing genocide in the Gaza Strip are "plausible" and orders Israel to take measures to prevent and punish acts of genocide, to protect Palestinians, and to allow in humanitarian aid. However, Israel is not required to end its military operation. (Jewish Telegraphic Agency) (The New York Times) (The Guardian) Law and crime 1974 Mitsubishi Heavy Industries bombing Police in Japan announce they have arrested who they believe to be Satoshi Kirishima, a member of the East Asia Anti-Japan Armed Front who has been a fugitive from justice for 50 years for his role in a series of bombings of companies. (The Japan Times) Andrew Cuomo sexual harassment allegations The U.S. Justice Department finds former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo liable for sexual harassment. (The New York Times) E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump A jury in New York awards E. Jean Carroll an $83.3 million defamation judgment against former President of the United States Donald Trump. (The Washington Post) Politics and elections 2024 Tuvaluan general election Tuvaluans vote in the general election for the 16 members of parliament. (RNZ)

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(Posted) RD: Sukhbir Singh Gill

Article: Sukhbir Singh Gill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Darius Dhlomo (talk · give credit) and Ayesha46 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian field-hockey midfielder. Article is a reasonable start-class biography. Ktin (talk) 03:42, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support, looks ready. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:12, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:51, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Texas border dispute

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Article: Standoff at Eagle Pass (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A standoff begins between Texas and the US Government after federal agents attempt to remove razor wire along the border with Mexico. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A standoff begins between Texas (joined by 25 other states) and the US Government after federal agents attempt to remove razor wire along the border with Mexico.
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68101927
Credits:

• Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)

Another exciting episode of the new season of American Politics. I do think this one is particularily notable, getting significant amount of attention and causing a constituional crisis. It's front page on every media outlet you can think of, and the standoff is only intensifying. The blurb is poorly worded, but the complexity of this story makes it hard to fit into one line. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:55, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

an article should be specified Lukt64 (talk) 14:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Standoff at Eagle Pass? BilledMammal (talk) 14:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Support once the article is out of stub class Lukt64 (talk) 14:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose as it is just US politics amplified by members of the GOP. There is a potential that this may devolve into a constitutional crisis but until there's actually action on this, this is not the type of news we post. We don't simply post because a news topic floods the headlines. — Masem (t) 14:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

A section called In The News shouldn't post things that are....In The News PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:23, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

We should be posting things that are in the news with actual impact on the world, not just because crazy insane partisan games being played by a handful of people get coverage. Again, there is potential of a impactful result here but right now, its lot of hot air. — Masem (t) 14:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

It's not us to judge what is partisan games or not. I think if something is getting significant attention In The News, then the most useful thing for the general reader is to put it up on a section called In The News PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

I will also add that the suggested article is far too narrow in scope. This all started back when the razor wire was installed (at least as early as 2022 , if not earlier), and needs to discuss the lower court cases. — Masem (t) 14:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Masem. Meh. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:18, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Razor wire? Really? Oppose as political theater. Masem is right, just because it's in the news that doesn't make it newsworthy. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:42, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Something being In The News doesn't make it newsworthy? What logic is that? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Notice I said lowercase "in the news" and not "In The News" which you're using to refer to WP:ITN, and I believe you are misunderstanding the purpose if you believe that we're just acting as a news mirror. The second paragraph of WP:ITN states thus: Unlike Wikipedia's sister project Wikinews, Wikipedia is not an online newspaper and does not accept original works of journalism or first-hand reports. Wikipedians are allowed to create and update encyclopedic articles of timely interest based on reliable sources. Bolded mine. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 19:06, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose barring any major escalation, just American political theatre for now. The Kip 14:55, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  The article is also not much longer than a stub, and certainly not front-page-quality. The Kip 19:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Wait - the deadline for Texas issued by the Fed government is today, so if anything happens today, maybe post. I personally believe Biden is not going to do anything, but either way, I think this may have effects ringing down for years; it will send a message to a lot of other states regarding how much power they really have in the American federal system. — Knightoftheswords 15:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose This is mainly domestic political squabbles. Not suitable for the blurb here. Nigej (talk) 16:20, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Wait and oppose on quality the incident currently looks like a not very significant domestic dispute, though if it becomes something more then it could be important enough for ITN. Article is currently short too, but if more events happen, then that would likely be solved too. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Wait it is easy to imagine this becoming important enough for ITN, but it has not yet done so. Obviously an article update would be required if additional events were to transpire. 217.180.228.138 (talk) 17:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality: Article is incredibly unprepared for ITN. In terms of significance, I suggest we wait for further events to unfold especially on federal response. Tofusaurus (talk) 17:13, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Minor political squabble. And with all due respect, this has been going on for two weeks and I've seen nothing of it. Not seeing the "front page coverage". DarkSide830 (talk) 18:11, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Wait. It definitely has potential to get out of hand, but if it fizzles out, based on what has happened so far, it does not meet the threshold to posting. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Note as someone from Texas, this looks like it may have the impact of starting a large secession movement again. Yet again, I dont know much about it. Lukt64 (talk) 21:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - if this becomes something other than bluster then certainly, but until then nah. nableezy - 21:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

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South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention)‎‎

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Article: South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention)‎‎ (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocidal acts in Gaza (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The ICJ orders Israel to refrain from acts under the Genocide Convention, but declines to order a ceasefire.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The ICJ orders Israel to refrain from acts under the Genocide Convention and calls for the immediate release of hostages held in the Gaza Strip, but declines to order a ceasefire.
News source(s): The New York Times, The BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Onceinawhile (talk · give credit)

Article updated

I added something before this, should I not? Selfstudier (talk) 13:27, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The ruling is preliminary and sets the stages for years more of court hearings to prove that Israel committed genocide. --Masem (t) 13:42, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  It's not a preliminary ruling, it is a ruling granting preliminary measures (while the case proceeds). Selfstudier (talk) 13:46, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  What is the difference between "preliminary ruling" and "ruling granting preliminary measures"? JM (talk) 13:57, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  All this is is that South Africa has demonstrated enough evidence that the court will consider the full case, and has made (unenforceable) cautions to Israel. — Masem (t) 14:13, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  It's a big difference, actually. The court has not made any ruling, preliminary or otherwise, on the question whether Israel has committed a genocide. What it has done is to grant interim relief and has accepted prima facie that there is a case to answer, so the case will continue. Selfstudier (talk) 14:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  But you just said it was a ruling in your previous reply. If it's not even a ruling at all, then this isn't significant. "Court does not make ruling" is not significant. JM (talk) 14:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  It is a ruling. It is a ruling on South Africa's request for emergency measures, not the final determination of whether Israel is comitting genocide, which will take years. The ICJ granted some measures, but not others, ordering Israel to do a series of things. Endwise (talk) 14:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  It has made a ruling. It hasn't made a ruling on the specific topic of "did Israel commit genocide", but it still made a ruling for preliminary measures (i.e. telling Israel to stop the way they're conducting the war). ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 15:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  It is a ruling on provisional measures DMH43 (talk) 15:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  I've now had 3 people in a row reply to me saying that it's a ruling. 1 person saying it will suffice. JM (talk) 15:37, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose It was expected that the ICJ would find South Africa's case plausible and go forward with provisional measures (the bar is very low). Maybe it would be quite newsworthy if they did actually order the ceasefire. But essentially ordering Israel to try and make sure it doesn't commit genocide means a whole lot of not-much, I think. Endwise (talk) 14:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  It's not "a whole lot of not-much" because the ruling is that Israel is plausibly committing or failing to prevent genocide. That's basically the most the court can do on a time scale like this. It is certainly newsworthy DMH43 (talk) 15:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, but the bar for plausibility is very low, so it means a lot less than it may seem. I think that's part of why this hasn't been getting as many headlines as you might expect. nableezy is correct to point out that this is informed a lot by my personal opinion -- so weight that accordingly -- but that's ITN for you I guess. Endwise (talk) 08:30, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, a court telling Israel "please do not commit genocide" without even implying Israel is committing genocide, and without demanding a ceasefire, is not significant enough for ITN by my standards; there is no significant change occuring here. JM (talk) 14:42, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

In no case would they have implied that Israel is committing genocide--it's a court, they will investigate based on this plausibility finding. DMH43 (talk) 15:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, I also agree with FortunateSons. This is a one-sided blurb with no inclusion of the demand for the unconditional release of Israeli people taken hostage by Hamas, thereby violating NPOV; I also agree with the Kip that it's covered by Ongoing anyway. JM (talk) 22:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

"Please don't commit genocide" is what they always say. This is also what happened for Myanmar and Bosnia. JDiala (talk) 21:56, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

...and? JM (talk) 23:12, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per all above. The court formally accusing Israel of genocide would’ve been one thing, but just saying “please don’t” is far from that. The lack of a call for a ceasefire also diminishes notability. The Kip 14:56, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  The final ruling won't happen for several years, this current ruling is to adopt provisional measures, which is huge, see my comment below. DMH43 (talk) 15:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  As a followup, with said lack of direct accusation/call for a ceasefire, I don't entirely see how this isn't covered by the ongoing item as well. The Kip 19:18, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Wouldn't a call for a ceasefire also amount to "please don't"? It feels like your argument contradicts itself. On the one hand you ascribe significant weight to the lack of a ceasefire call; on the other hand, you dismiss the cease-genocide call as being irrelevant. JDiala (talk) 19:55, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support The above comments miss that the ruling on provisional measures is huge given that: the ICJ recognized the risk of irreparable harm to Palestinians should this campaign continue, the panel found that there was plausible reason to believe that Israel is committing genocide or failing to prevent genocide (almost unanimously), all but one provisional measure was adopted. The ceasefire measure was not adopted, but the court has no way to enforce a ceasefire, and the adoption of the other measures equates to a finding that Israel's campaign is plausibly genocidal. This is certainly newsworthy.DMH43 (talk) 15:52, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Here is jpost describing it as a "harsh diplomatic blow": https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-783852

  Not asking for a ceasefire is not the same as asking it to prevent genocide. What the court is saying is that Israel can fight a legitimate war against Hamas, but not a genocidal war against the palestinian people, and that it is plausible that Israel is committing genocide or failing to prevent it. DMH43 (talk) 15:58, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose summed up best by JM2023, the outcome of this is a warning not to do something, not a judicial decision that they have actually be doing it. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:59, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  How is it a warning? They have adopted all but 1 of south africas provisional measures DMH43 (talk) 16:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  You’re veering dangerously close to WP:BLUDGEONing the discussion, and I see from your talk page you’ve had some issues with ARBPIA editing in recent memory. I highly encourage you to slow down a bit. The Kip 16:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, this is effectively the court determining it will take on the full case. The provisional measures are pretty basic (don't commit genocide is a statement of principles, don't destroy evidence and report to the court are related to ensuring the case can be effectively heard, allow humanitarian aid is not novel, the punish incitement to genocide is perhaps the only interesting one). Not sure where "generally, to take more measures to protect Palestinians" in the article comes from, it's not in the provisional measures or the source cited. CMD (talk) 16:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Calling them "basic" doesn't take into account the huge civilian death toll, and that so far Israel has failed to comply with these "basic" measures:

  The South African minister for international relations, Naledi Pandor, said outside the court that Israel can't effectively implement the measures ordered without a cease-fire. "How do you provide aid and water without a cease-fire? If you read the order, by implication a ceasefire must happen," she said.

  https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-26/ty-article/icj-rules-israel-must-avoid-genocidal-acts-in-gaza-stops-short-of-ordering-cease-fire/0000018d-4606-d35c-a39f-ee5e5b7e0000 DMH43 (talk) 16:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Stop WP:BLUDGEONING, your comments compose more than 1/3 of the comments on this nomination and you've replied under literally every !vote. JM (talk) 16:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Sure, I just wanted to engage with people at a deeper level than the dismissive nature of the discussion here so far. DMH43 (talk) 16:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  You don't have to engage with every person you don't agree with. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 16:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Probably best to wait for analysis RS (and other editors) at this point. All major newsorgs are reporting on the case so won't have to wait too long. Selfstudier (talk) 16:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Chipmunkdavis: It's interim measure number 4 (of 6) "The State of Israel shall take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the adverse conditions of life faced by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip;" Selfstudier (talk) 16:47, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  That's not a general request for protective measures, that's a specific one for humanitarian aid. CMD (talk) 15:14, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support - The decision is being covered in basically every major news outlet globally, and has significant diplomatic and geopolitical ramifications. I don't think we need to wait for the court's final decision to post this on ITN. Edge3 (talk) 16:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support The final decision will likely take years, while the current ruling already has a significant impact. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 16:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose per Endwise and JM. The ruling doesn't really change much other than telling Israel to not commit genocide. Significance would be higher had the court ordered for a ceasefire or ruled that Israel was committing genocide. Tofusaurus (talk) 17:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose This is an aspect of the Israel–Hamas war which is already listed in Ongoing as it generates daily incidents and coverage of this sort. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Support - Per @Edge3 PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:32, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principle This is seriously significant news of a tremendous gravity and will change international relations for years to come, even if the final ruling is different. This has the potential to impact the current war. I’m not sure on the current two blurbs, maybe another could be written, but I believe this is blurbable. -TenorTwelve (talk) 17:43, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Color me skeptical that an international court is dramatically going to change how other countries deal with this conflict. I can guarantee you every country in the world has their own posture towards the war already. If some sort of discipline isn't being levied on someone then, quite honestly, I'd go as far as to say this is a nothing story. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Have a look at Top Experts’ Views of Int’l Court of Justice Ruling on Israel Gaza Operations (South Africa v Israel, Genocide Convention Case) to see why that is something of an oversimplification. Selfstudier (talk) 18:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Interesting reading. Still, I only saw one perspective that seemed of the belief that there was a decent chance for change. A lot more of the commentary was about how this affected the actions of Israel and what this means for the case going forward. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:35, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support - leading headline around the world, out of the ordinary for ongoing, the opposers seem to be using personal opinion for significance, rather than deferring to what the sources consider significant, and it is very clear they consider this significant. nableezy - 18:32, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  the opposers seem to be using personal opinion for significance, rather than deferring to what the sources consider significant

  With all due respect, personal opinion is effectively what dictates ITN blurbs; there's plenty of news items that RSes consider significant that we don't post (whether it be celebrity news, covered under of one of our Ongoing events, lower-level sports news, or otherwise). The Kip 19:17, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  As with all things Wikipedia, sources >> personal opinions. nableezy - 19:26, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  It's a valid sentiment, but if enforced in a hardline manner, opens up ITN to a considerable variety of events editors have previously deemed non-notable, and also furthers questions of bias due to the bulk of RS coverage concerning the western world. The Kip 19:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  I feel like youre describing Wikipedia as a whole though. This probably can be continued on a talk page though, user or otherwise, as the philosophical discussion is not really relevant to the nomination. nableezy - 19:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  WP:BIAS is how we as Wikipedians evaluate the type of coverage, ignoring how much coverage there is to how significant coverage is. We also need to write towards the long view of a topic, which is why WP:NOTNEWS exists - we try to avoid being influenced by news of the minute in favor of views of the long-term (without engaging in speculation.) — Masem (t) 20:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Previously youve said ITN's primary function is to showcase quality articles on encyclopedic topics that are in the news, no matter how wide the coverage of that news is. Well here you have an excellent article on an obviously encyclopedic topic that is the top story around the world (ie, in the news). So what gives? nableezy - 21:32, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Because 1) this is nowhere close to a final ruling (If the court dismissed the genocide charges completely, ending the case, that might have been reason to post. And in any case, whether Israel abides by this request is yet to be seen - there's nothing actionable yet set by the court) and 2) this is otherwise covered by the ongoing. I would also add this is not a quality article as nearly half of it is analysis and reaction kudzu, which is getting too much into the weeds in the light of NOTNEWS and the 10year view. Masem (t) 21:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Strong oppose due to limited significance of the ruling and the fact that it is preliminary (see arguments made by others above. Additionally, both blurbs lack neutrality and are missing the demand for the unconditional release of hostages. FortunateSons (talk) 19:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support No idea what all the opposes are about, major news event. Israel needs to "report back" in a month so we will see what happens then. About the same time as the hearings into Israel's occupation will take place, also at the ICJ. Selfstudier (talk) 19:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose is a preliminary pronouncement, which is more declaratory than effective, and is also covered in Ongoing. More interesting will be the judgment. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:37, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Support Extensive news coverage. Given the nature of the accusation and the magnitude of the allegation (genocide), this absolutely warrants coverage. JDiala (talk) 19:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Major world news covered live by most news services of note. Landmark ruling on the world's most acute humanitarian crisis now accounting for 80% of the world's population at risk of starvation. The ICJ, the highest court in the UN and therefore the world, has imposed provisional measures, a.k.a. emergency orders, to prevent genocide where the court has determined that there is a clear risk of prejudice to the rights protected by the the genocide convention. It's not preliminary to the main proceedings, but provisional and separate to them. The court has determined A) jurisdiction, and B) the need for emergency measures given the risk of prejudice. The merits of the case will be determined in the case proper. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:54, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
  • It should be noted that there is no real enforcement given in the decision: the court ordered Israel to keep its operations within certain bounds to avoid genocide, and to report back to the court. That's for all purposes a slap on the wrist. — Masem (t) 20:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
    • International law isn't really enforced much in practice. Ask Putin. This is the nature of the anarchic world order. The symbolic significance is precisely the point. JDiala (talk) 21:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alternative blurb - it’s more comprehensive than the first blurb and is consistent with headlines that I have seen.

Oppose first blurb - seems poorly worded “prevent genocidal acts” seems vague while the alternative blurb has wikilinks Wafflefrites (talk) 20:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Major world news and the article is of pretty good quality. But I don't think the New York Times article linked in the ITN candidate sources= above should be used, as it is a rolling news article that keeps changing, it is a poor cite as using it for verification is difficult - find another stable source to use. Rwendland (talk) 20:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• but Oppose Alternative blurb 1 & 2 as they include a claim not factually accurate in strict terms: "declines to order a ceasefire" is incorrect because South Africa did not ask for a 2 party "ceasefire", so ICJ cannot be said to decline something not asked for. As the ICJ Order record on page 3, SA asked for "The State of Israel shall immediately suspend its military operations in and against Gaza" (page 3). SA actually asked for a one-side "suspension", not a "ceasefire". (As Palestine (or Hamas) is not a State Party to the Convention, I doubt that ICJ can actually order either of them to do things like cease fire, hence SA did not ask for that.) Rwendland (talk) 13:54, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose I fail to see how the ruling has any significance. TheInevitables (talk) 21:17, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per JM. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:27, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The current article states that the court order only says Israel should "take more measures to protect Palestinians". This does not seem to be any sort of ruling on previous actions, but an order to do something going forward. I could see how ordering Israel to completely stop all military operations might be considered a real ruling, but this not so much. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 23:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Strong support All oppose editors have suggested lack of real world significance, but without providing sources. They are wrong. See for example: Kelly, Laura (2024-01-26). "ICJ ruling puts Israel on the clock; raises heat on Biden". The Hill. "The U.S. will find it hard to accept noncompliance by Israel, because the U.S. judge [on the ICJ panel] joined what was essentially a consensus decision and because the U.S. has strongly supported the Court's provisional orders in Ukraine, Myanmar, and Syria," Stephen Rapp, who served as U.S. Ambassador-at-Large for War Crimes Issues during the Obama administration, wrote in an email to The Hill. "Israel has taken this case very seriously because the Court's orders do have real impact. All of the other major allies of the U.S. will expect Israel to comply, so that if it defies the orders, the Israeli government may find itself treated as a pariah." Onceinawhile (talk) 23:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  You're the nominator, your support is already counted by your act of nomination. JM (talk) 23:43, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  I found a source saying that the decision had little "practical consequences". [3]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/26/world/middleeast/icj-genocide-ruling-israel-gaza.html The article specifically says that the ruling "lacked immediate practical consequences". 2G0o2De0l (talk) 23:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  You should read the whole of that New York Times article. The point you raised is explained within the article (and you have incorrectly conflated "little" with "practical consequences"). What it actually says is: "But it lacked immediate practical consequences" and "To Gazans, the intervention will bring little immediate relief." So that part is talking about having no ceasefire. You then missed this from later in your same article: "Still, the court’s instructions might give momentum and political cover to Israeli officials who have been pushing internally to temper the military’s actions in Gaza and alleviate the humanitarian disaster in the territory, according to Janina Dill, an expert on international law at Oxford University. “Any dissenting voices in the Israeli government and Israeli military who disagree with how the war has been conducted so far have now been given a really powerful strategic argument to ask for a change in course,” Professor Dill said. Onceinawhile (talk) 00:10, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

  I acknowledge my misuse of "little" with "immediate", and should have read more of the article to find your quoted section. The quote: "Any dissenting voices in the Israeli government and Israeli military who disagree with how the war has been conducted so far have now been given a really powerful strategic argument to ask for a change in course," does seem to support the argument that this does have important impact. However, I think the quote: "But it lacked immediate practical consequences" still supports the argument that its immediate impact is minimal. So maybe this is not a conclusive source. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 00:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

  Why is this comment bright green? [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:47, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

  It's a quote, formatted with {{xt}} ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 23:16, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

  Actually it's {{tq}} (is there any functional difference?) JM (talk) 23:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, there's an actual difference and I always confuse them, my bad ({{tq}} is for quotes and is teal-ish green while {{xt}} is for example text and a more vivid green) ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 00:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

  Apologies, logging out and I can see the quote formatted in green text but there's also a giant green shaded box covering this reply chain that only seems to show up when logged in and in dark mode but I digress. [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 02:11, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support alt blurb 1 or alt blurb 2 This decision isn’t the final decision, but it seems important enough for ITN. I think the alt blurbs seem better than the original blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:56, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Storng support: Per Chaotıċ. I don't think the perception of how "important" the ruling itself is what matters here. It's a major case with wide coverage, and this is the most significant update for the foreseeable feature, as the final ruling will take years forward --Abbad (talk) 00:11, 27 January 2024 (UTC).

(fyi: it's "Chaotic" with the tittle moved in a chaotic way) ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 00:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - Israel is not bound by this decision, and it doesn't seem like it's actually ordering Israel to do anything different anyway. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

  It is legally bound by it as a signatory to the convention. Whether Israel ignores its obligations under international law, per its usual form, is a different question. And asking it to not kill or harm people would at this point requires it to do something very different indeed - possibly beyond its abilities. Only media with very entrenched bias are trying to spin this as being the same as existing obligations and therefore not an order to do anything different. Obviously, however, the context is that Israel is failing to abide by international humanitarian law and therefore it needs instructing, under pain of international ostracism, to abide by its international legal duties. Iskandar323 (talk) 00:48, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

• I'm pretty sure this reply violates the contentious topics policy.... --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:25, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not going to comment on the remainder of the reply, but I do agree with the first sentence. Israel is a party to the case and is therefore bound by the decision of the ICJ. Edge3 (talk) 06:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

  Seconded JM (talk) 06:43, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support per Chaotic Enby. Adding that waiting for a final verdict is not a reasonable request; we are still waiting on one in the Rohingya genocide case to this day. I believe we were right to post the ICC arrest warrant for Putin in spite of the fact that no one believes there is a high likelihood of such an arrest ever happening. Of course, this is not a perfect apples-to-apples comparison, nothing ever is when it comes to messy geopolitics. But I believe it helps to demonstrate that there is precedent for posting international developments that are very much in the news and notable in their own right, regardless of the perceived likelihood of a practical consequence in the near future.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 00:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Support per above, overwhelming amount of coverage across worldwide media. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:46, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Widely covered in international media that justifies posting even if it is preliminary ruling that the genocide claims are plausible and to be investigated. Waiting for a final result isn't practicable (e.g. the Yugoslav genocide cases were field in the 1990s and resolved in the 2010s), and the news here is that the case was not thrown out, but instead resulted in multiple impositions on Israel during an active conflict. Also as a note, this decision literally could not have made a finding of genocide because of its preliminary nature. That decision will come later. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 03:47, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability Article quality is generally good. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:04, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Per JM; also covered in Ongoing. Spencer^T•C 10:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose – Obviously this is a very notable case, but I have concerns about blurbing a preliminary action, so I think that, for now, the Ongoing entry should suffice. DecafPotato (talk) 19:43, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
• Suggest Close A quick glance at the wall of comments above shows the supports and opposes to be almost evenly split. I'm all for letting things play out as long as there is some chance of a consensus forming. But even considering NOTAVOTE, there is no realistic likelihood of that, either for or against. It's time to admit as much and lower the curtain. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:25, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

  It is still getting active participation, and given such a close would result in your preferred outcome I dont think that is an appropriate suggestion for you to make. nableezy - 22:40, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

  Not sure about this, there are still people voting, and it looks like more recent votes have more supports than opposes compared to older ones, so it's not impossible for consensus to shift. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 22:41, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per JM. BilledMammal (talk) 11:13, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I just don't see it as a significant-enough event. Israel is not to commit genocide, which they deny anyway. Hamas is to release their hostages, which they haven't done, and the court decides not to mention anything about Israel suspending military operations, that South Africa has requested. Nigej (talk) 15:38, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support – This is notable development worthy of including in a blurb. Widely covered by sources. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 15:42, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Does anybody really think that this major court ruling is less "in the news" than "protests in Bashkortostan"? The contrast here between the expressly "in the news" event and the incredibly marginal one is quite jarring. I know that "in the news" has always been a bit a popularity contest, but seriously, come on people. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:02, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  Personally I wouldn't include either. Perhaps one reason this didn't had more support was the one-sided wording of the original blurb. Nigej (talk) 11:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

  Just because an event isn't receiving heavy coverage from major Western publications doesn't make it "marginal," and we try to selectively post stories from outside that sphere to avoid giving in to our own media-intake bias.

  i The Kip 18:55, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: There appear to be zero indications that this order is going to have any enforcement behind it. This seems to be just politicians bloviating and making grand gestures, per usual. If anything substantiative comes out of this, then I'm sure that will make the news. Also covered in ongoing. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:02, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jesse Jane

Article: Jesse Jane (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Sourcing work needed. Mooonswimmer

(Actioned) Ongoing: Red Sea crisis

Article: Red Sea crisis (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by JM2023 (talk · give credit)

Not exactly a nomination; I am aware that this article is already listed in Ongoing as (Houthi involvement), but given the page move, I propose un-bracketing it and having it stand as its own entry with its actual title. There was some discussion on the talk page about this that led to this pseudo-nomination. JM (talk) 03:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support this proposal per nomination. The Red Sea crisis at this point is separate from the Israel–Hamas war. DecafPotato (talk) 05:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support in principle but the merge aspect should be worked out first - those are two different articles covering the same effective topic. --Masem (t) 05:18, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Support, the matter has escalated and is worthy of ITN. Harvici (talk) 06:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Neutral - I think you could display it either way to be honest. It is fundamentally linked to the Israel conflict, but I could see it standing on its own. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:13, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support as is. Link should definitely be renamed, and I think it's appropriate to separate it completely now. I don't think the ongoing merge discussion is an issue. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:23, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support This seems like the most sensible way to do this. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 11:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Support The Red Sea crisis, although related to the current Israel-Hamas war, is thousands of kilometres away. If it were to be considered part of the same war, I'd say it's a different theatre, and still deserves its own entry. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Support this indeed ongoing in the sense that it should be in a separate entry in the ongoing tab. Despite the yappings of the Houthis, this is largely separate; they aren’t just targeting Israeli ships and are fighting against different people. List as Red Sea Crisis. — Knightoftheswords 13:19, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support per Knightoftheswords BilledMammal (talk) 13:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support as a clearly separate event from the other war. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 14:32, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Actual news affecting many different entities. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support The scope of the crisis has expanded beyond its connection to the war, and the page move further emphasizes that. The Kip 14:54, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Support as it has become seperate from the israel-hamas war. Setarip (talk) 16:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

@Admins willing to post ITN:  : Item's got wide consensus and is marked as ready. The Kip 19:13, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Actioned I’ve made it a standalone item under its article name as per the above consensus. Schwede66 19:24, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

January 25

Portal:Current events/2024 January 25

January 25, 2024 (2024-01-25) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Iran and the Russian invasion of Ukraine The United States Department of Commerce issues a $15 million bounty for information on Hossein Hatefi Ardakani, an Iranian businessman accused of procuring parts for drones assembled by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps that were later sold to Russia. (The Wall Street Journal) Moro conflict Nine Dawlah Islamiyah militants are killed while four soldiers are injured during a shootout in the village of Taporug near Piagapo town in Lanao del Sur, Philippines. Two of the killed were suspected of being involved in the December 2023 Mindanao bombing; six other militants are on the run. (AP) Mexican drug war Four police officers are killed in an ambush on a highway near Celaya, Guanajuato. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024 Greater São Paulo Piper PA-24 Comanche crash A Piper PA-24 Comanche crashes in the forest region between Rio Grande da Serra and Ribeirão Pires, in Greater São Paulo, Brazil. Two people were killed. (O Globo) Law and crime Capital punishment in the United States Capital punishment in Alabama The state of Alabama executes convicted murderer Kenneth Smith using nitrogen hypoxia, the first time the technique is used. (The New York Times) Assassination of Vladlen Tatarsky A court in Russia sentences Darya Trepova to 27 years in prison for the assassination of Vladlen Tatarsky in April 2023. (AP) Kyoto Animation arson attack A court in Japan sentences Shinji Aoba to death for a 2019 arson attack on a Kyoto Animation studio in Fushimi-ku, Kyoto, which killed 36 people. (CNA) Taiwan officially begins extending its compulsory military service from four months to one year amid increased tensions with China. (Reuters) South Korean politician Bae Hyun-jin is attacked and hospitalized in Seoul. (Korea JoongAng Daily) Science and technology NASA announces the retirement of Mars Helicopter Ingenuity after the vehicle sustained damage to one of its rotors. (The New York Times)

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(Posted) RD: Sanath Nishantha

Article: Sanath Nishantha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Titanciwiki (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Sri Lankan Politican, former State Minister of Water Supply. Titanciwiki^talk/contrib 04:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks ok and is adequately referenced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:24, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 05:56, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Kenneth Smith

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Article: Execution of Kenneth Eugene Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Kenneth Smith is the first person executed by nitrogen hypoxia. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by TarkusAB (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American murderer, executed by the state of Alabama. First execution in history via nitrogen hypoxia. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 03:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - it pains me to oppose this, especially since I oppose the death penalty and think it's important that people be aware of the fact that it's still happening.... but he doesn't have a standalone Wikipedia article, as the article is about his execution. This means he doesn't qualify for RD. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 04:42, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
  • The article was just moved (after the nomination) and it should probably be reverted by an admin. The move was improper. The article is about him, not just the execution. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 04:46, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

@NelsonLee20042020: For your awareness. I think your move was improper. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 04:58, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

I did the move is because, the article is about the crime Smith is convicted and executed for, and many details are covering his trial and execution, and there was no background information about Smith before the case, so the title: execution of __(name)___ is appropriate NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 05:09, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (violence and deaths) - see this guideline for more information NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 05:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it needs to be reverted by an admin; anyone can do it... I'll do it if you want. One issue though is that the article is only 25 days old. Is that long enough to be appropriate for RD? --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 05:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Flip the Script? Kenneth Smith was nobody special, to hear "his" article tell it, and seemingly didn't exist until his crimes (again, per article). But our article on Inert gas asphyxiation is something special, next to the relatively cruel and unusual practices described in Hanging, Electric chair, Gas chamber and Lethal injection. Maybe the arrival of a kinder, gentler capital punishment is what we should commemorate. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

From what I've read, this wasn't kind or gentle at all.... --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 11:17, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Surely the issue here is exactly the same as that for Mohammed Ghobadlou (#January 23). This is not suitable for RD. The only possibility is the blurb, but for me it's not significant enough. Nigej (talk) 09:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Disqualified, close this nomination has the same problem as the one below: it's not a biographical article, so it's disqualified from RD. JM (talk) 14:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Bat-Sheva Dagan

Article: Bat-Sheva Dagan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Gal Gefen
Credits:

• Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Polish-born Holocaust survivour and educator. Her article looks great. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:33, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Seems well referenced and no citation tags on it. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 12:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 05:54, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Ingenuity end of mission

Article: Ingenuity (helicopter) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ NASA ends the Ingenuity Mars helicopter mission after nearly three years following damage to its rotors. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ NASA ends the Ingenuity Mars helicopter mission after nearly three years and 72 flights, following damage to its rotors.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Following damage to its rotors NASA ends the Ingenuity Mars helicopter mission after nearly three years and 72 flights, having far exceeded its planned thirty day mission, .
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

needs an update on the body for this though the lede mentions it Masem (t) 23:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Support, added a short paragraph in the body describing the ending and remaining work. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 23:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support, but would prefer a different blurb - the current one doesn't quite sit right. The Kip 23:59, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Support: significant as mission end of the first extraterrestrial aircraft. Only 2 CN tags, so not a disqualifying issue. 5 tags though, I don't know if that's a big issue or not. JM (talk) 00:05, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• 72 flights might be a better detail to include? Stephen 00:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Proposed altblurb including both years and flights. JM (talk) 01:04, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

support, long live ingenuity and perserverance 111.92.81.250 (talk) 02:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Alt3; I think we should emphasis part of the reason this mission was so extraordinary. BilledMammal (talk) 02:18, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Significant news. I think either altblurb or altblurb1 would be fine. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk) 08:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  I meant altblurb or altblurb2, pardon me. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk) 09:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Support - rest in peace, Ingenuity. May you keep flying in the heavens above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Preference for Alt II as per @JM2023 PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - I question the notability of the event. If something positive such as a discovery happened then I think it should be posted, but the ending of a mission is not notable IMO. You can end many space programs without having achieved anything. Arind8 (talk) 10:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support – I see this as featuring the Ingenuity article at its "final" state, so to speak. I think this is very appropriate. Update to the article looks alright. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:27, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Comment Not really the final state as works remains to be done, including downloading the remaining data. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 14:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 10:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I agree with Arind8 that we should indicate a significant achievement/discovery from this mission, but don't oppose it because the helicopter "made the first powered, controlled extraterrestrial flight by any aircraft". I'll request the blurb to be amended on WP:ERRRORS.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Is this really that notable to be posted? This is just the end of one of many space missions. Like Arind8 said, perhaps if there were any groundbreaking discoveries this would be notable. Fightmeaboutit (talk) 22:53, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

RD: Rafiuddin Hashmi

Article: Rafiuddin Hashmi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Express
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Ainty Painty (talk) 14:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

• Not Quite Ready A couple CNs in the awards section. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

January 24

Portal:Current events/2024 January 24

January 24, 2024 (2024-01-24) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Iraqi conflict Attacks on U.S. bases in Iraq and Syria The U.S. military launches airstrikes on facilities in Iraq used by Kata'ib Hezbollah and other Iranian-backed militias, in retaliation for Sunday's ballistic missile attack on Al-Asad Airbase, which injured four American soldiers. (ABC News) Israel–Hamas war 2023 Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip A building complex sheltering tens of thousands of displaced people in Khan Yunis, in the Gaza Strip, catches fire after being hit by Israeli airstrikes, causing mass casualties. At least 214 civilians have been killed in the city in the past 24 hours by airstrikes. (Al Jazeera)(Al Jazeera) Nigerian bandit conflict At least 30 people are killed during an attack by armed men in the village of Kwahaslalek, Plateau State, Nigeria. (Punch) Arts and culture Saudi Arabia, where alcohol has been banned since 1952, opens its first alcohol store in the diplomatic quarter of its capital Riyadh. (CNBC) Disasters and accidents 2024 Korochansky Ilyushin Il-76 crash Allegedly, a Russian Ilyushin Il-76 military transport plane carrying 65 Ukrainian prisoners of war, six crew members and three guards, crashes in Russia's Korochansky District, near the Ukrainian border, killing everyone on board. However, these claims have not been independently verified. (Reuters) At least 39 people are killed and nine others are injured in a fire at a commercial building in Xinyu, Jiangxi, China. (AP) A train collides with a truck in Bohumín, Czech Republic, killing one person and injuring 19 others. (AP) International relations Nauru–Taiwan relations Nauru formally re-establishes diplomatic relations with China after withdrawing diplomatic recognition of Taiwan. (Reuters) Law and crime The Constitutional Court of Thailand acquits former Move Forward Party leader Pita Limjaroenrat for owning shares in the defunct media company iTV, thereby allowing Limjaroenrat to resume serving as a Member of Parliament in the House of Representatives. (AP) Politics and elections The chair of the Arizona Republican Party Jeff DeWit resigns after a tape recording of DeWit attempting to bribe Kari Lake into stepping down from the United States Senate race is leaked. (AP) Tens of thousands of Argentine workers go on a 12-hour strike led by Argentina's largest union, in protest of Javier Milei's policies. (Reuters) Sports Hockey Canada sexual assault scandal Five players who took part in the 2018 World Junior Championship have reportedly been told to surrender to the police in London, Ontario, Canada to face sexual assault charges. (TSN)

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RD: Jack Riddell

Article: Jack Riddell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The London Free Press; Exeter Lakeshore Times-Advance
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

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(Closed) Protests against Javier Milei

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Article: 2024 general strike against Javier Milei (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A nationwide strike paralyzes Argentina amid protests against President Javier Milei. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Protests against President Javier Milei's policies paralyze Argentina.
News source(s): The New York Times, Al Jazeera, BBC News], El País
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Simón, el Silbón (talk · give credit)

Simón, el Silbón (talk) 07:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Support on notability, but the article quality may need improvement. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:20, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Comment - Article suffers from POV issues PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Support Obviously important. Also fuck austerity Kasperquickly (talk) 09:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose This seems to be routine domestic politics for Argentina, which always seems to be in a state of crisis. If we don't report the daily developments of US politics, then this doesn't warrant special attention. Demonstrations of ten of thousands don't seem large, as these things go. According to the NYT report, Milei still has high approval ratings but the article doesn't say that and so lacks WP:NPOV. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:04, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

  Exactly. I feel like the article and this blurb give an undue weight as to how large these protests actually are and how much dissatisfaction there is against Milei. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:06, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Andrew. Maybe this will turn into something bigger, maybe not. Nigej (talk) 10:37, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose this doesn't seem significant enough for listing on ITN per above. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Wait Per Andrew, these don't seem to be anything out of the ordinary as of now. However, it could escalate later on.2G0o2De0l (talk) 13:40, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for now, per Andrew. if this evolves into something bigger, then maybe. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Dissatisfied people who didn't vote him going on protests isn't significant, unless this results in his removal from office or other major changes.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for several NPOV reasons, too long to explain here. I have tagged the article and explained the reasons at the talk page. Cambalachero (talk) 14:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Note: I also moved the article to 2024 general strike against Javier Milei. The name suggests to be a general article about several protests against Milei, but it is actually an article about a single and specific protest. Cambalachero (talk) 14:38, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose insignificant. Setarip (talk) 15:48, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Strikes and political protests in Argentina rival soccer for the national pastime. I would need to see some evidence, currently lacking, that this is a really big deal. And on a side note, the article is tagged for NPOV. That's a showstopper until the tag is resolved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:37, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: ABilly S. Jones-Hennin

Article: ABilly S. Jones-Hennin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

African-American LGBT rights activist – ForsythiaJo (talk) 04:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks pretty good. I'd like to see the lead expanded though. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:06, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Support The article is of generally good quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support per above. Good quality ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Howard Golden

Article: Howard Golden (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 22:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks solid. No issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:32, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Couple of CN tags for info not covered in refs at the end of the paragraph. Spencer^T•C 05:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Will address those today. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:50, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Spencer, it's all sourced now. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:12, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 21:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

RD: Melanie

Article: Melanie (singer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

• Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Blaylockjam10 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Although not a likely pass, Melanie was a folk singer songwriter who preformed at Woodstock 1969, and had one number one in 1971/1972 with Brand New Key. Article needs helps about everywhere. TheCorriynial (talk) 21:50, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support The article looks fine and the one word title should work well at RD. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:25, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready Referencing is going to need some work. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:41, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Do all albums need citations, even those with their own articles? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Yes. Wikipedia is not a reliable source. That said, if the articles have any sourcing at all this should be an easy fix. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:18, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Tagging's even easier than fixing. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:20, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• There are currently at least 6 {cn} tags in the prose. And multiple bullet-points in the discography section unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

RD: Charles Fried

Article: Charles Fried (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6] [7] Washington Post
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by GuardianH (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

–  GuardianH (talk) 16:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  Addressed. GuardianH (talk) 14:09, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

  I'm still seeing multiple CN tags. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:17, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Sections on his Legal career and his Works have remained largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:05, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Ad Orientem @PFHLai These issues can certainly be addressed (I'll have to work on the article at some point) but they don't seem to affect the article for RD. I think there's been enough coverage to justify the article's presence in the news. Also, now a NYT article. GuardianH (talk) 17:36, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

  @GuardianH Article quality is the principal criteria for RD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:47, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

  @GuardianH Having news articles to back up the report on the subject's death only qualifies for RD on Portal:Current events and for inclusion in Deaths in 2024. (It's there already.) To get onto ITN on MainPage, the wikibio does not have to be a perfect FA, but it ought to be problem-free. Inadequate referencing is a common problem that keeps many nominated articles from getting onto ITN. For the Charles Fried article, the multiple {cn} tags in the prose and a string of unsourced bullet-points are eye-catching problems that make this article a poor candidate for use on ITN at this time. However, this article will continue to be eligible for ITN for a couple more days, so there is still time to add more references and footnotes before its eligibility expires (and the nom rolls off ITN/C). --PFHLai (talk) 18:09, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

  Oh, alright. I'll try to improve it in the near future if I can. GuardianH (talk) 19:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

2024 Korochansky Il-76 crash

Article: 2024 Korochansky Ilyushin Il-76 crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Russia, a military transport plane (model Ilyushin Il-76 pictured) carrying 68 Ukrainian POWs crashes in Korochansky, Belgorod Oblast, killing all 74 aboard (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Russia, an Ilyushin Il-76 military transport plane carrying 74 people crashes in Korochansky District, Belgorod Oblast, killing all aboard.
News source(s): CNN - France24 - ABC (Australia) - NYT - Euronews
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Aqeccac (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Pietadè (talk · give credit), Sadustu Tau (talk · give credit), Dora the Axe-plorer (talk · give credit), Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Aydoh8 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Nearly 70 people died in a crash of a Russian military plane in Belgorod oblast. I don't think this should be dismissed as "ongoing;" we posted the 2023 Brovary helicopter crash for example because the cause of the crash wasn't related to the war and had a high death toll. — Knightoftheswords 16:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

• Note - Ukraine says that the plane was carrying missiles, not POWs. I'm not saying either side is lying, but we may have to wait until whether it had POWs or missiles becomes clear. Tube·of·Light 16:14, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

  And Russia says that the plane has been shot down, not "crashed". Actually so does the nyt Kasperquickly (talk) 19:19, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Comment - Currently debating whether or not this is notable. It definitely is related to the war, but the resulting coverage of this may be enough. We must maintain NPOV as per @Tube of Light, there are too many unknowns atm PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:56, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Wait - until we've got some concrete information as to who/what was onboard and what caused it to crash. Nigej (talk) 18:25, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Support but wait, per Nigej. --NoonIcarus (talk) 02:17, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Strong support This is a major plane crash. There's no point in waiting because Russia and Ukraine will never agree on what happened. If necessary, change the blurb to "carrying 74 people" instead of mentioning Ukrainian POWs. Johndavies837 (talk) 04:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Added altblurb. Brandmeister^talk 08:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Has the death count of 74 been independently verified in any way? 70.181.1.68 (talk) 08:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Support primarily on the basis of notability. The article is well-sourced and of generally good quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:16, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Support POWs are essentially civilians when it comes to the rules of war, and we would have posted it if it was a civilian plane being shot down. In fact, im pretty sure that civilian Malaysian plane that had been shot by the Russian rebels was posted here. Hence, my support vote. Kasperquickly (talk) 09:51, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose This is part of the ongoing war for which we continuously list the timeline to cover all such incidents. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Wait The information in the article still indicates that, while Russia says that plane was carrying POW's, Ukraine still has not corroborated this. We should probably wait until some third party provides evidence in support of either of their claims. As for notability, I would only support it if there is some other impact from the crash. I think the crash itself can be adequately covered in the ongoing.2G0o2De0l (talk) 13:48, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, such events are quite rare and notable, although this is partially covered by ongoing, the incident is still major and article appears to be in good quality. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:52, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Support Alternative blurb pretty notable. Setarip (talk) 15:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose already covered by ongoing. Whether Ukrainian prisoners of war, or missiles, is part of the Russian-Ukrainian war. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose War's result in planes being shot down and people getting killed. It's covered in ongoing.. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose unless it turns out that it carried civilians unrelated to the war, which seems unlikely according to the information that we have so far. Otherwise, it’s covered by the ongoing item.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Very notable. But seeing the updates on this event, it seems unlikely that Ukraine or Russia will confirm any details soon. Hope we won't have to wait till it becomes irrelevant. AnalyserOP (talk) 17:54, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

January 23

Portal:Current events/2024 January 23

January 23, 2024 (2024-01-23) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Six civilians are killed and at least 77 others are injured by Russian missile strikes in Kyiv and Kharkiv. Ukraine says that it shot down 21 of 41 missiles. (AP) (BBC News) Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War Germany announces that it will donate six SH-3 Sea King helicopters to the Ukrainian Air Force to help it patrol the Black Sea. (Reuters) Israel–Hamas war Siege of Khan Yunis Twenty-one Israeli soldiers are killed in an explosion and subsequent building collapse in Khan Yunis in the Gaza Strip, making it the deadliest day for the Israel Defense Forces since the ground invasion began. (Sky News) M23 rebellion Nineteen people are killed and 26 more injured during the explosions of mortar bombs in the town of Mweso in North Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo. The March 23 Movement is blamed for the attack. (AP) Arts and culture North Korea demolishes the Arch of Reunification in Pyongyang after North Korean leader Kim Jong Un ruled out peaceful reunification with South Korea. (NDTV) Disasters and accidents 2024 Uqturpan earthquake A magnitude 7.1 earthquake strikes Uqturpan County, China, killing three people and injuring five more. Tremors are felt in the nearby Kazakhstan, in which 67 people have been injured in Almaty. Forty-seven buildings in China collapsed, while a further 78 are damaged. (AP) (Nur.kz) A small passenger plane carrying workers to Rio Tinto Alcan's Diavik Diamond Mine, in Canada's Northwest Territories, crashes in the town of Fort Smith, killing six people and wounding another. (CBS News) Three people are killed and 11 are injured when a gas truck collides with a car in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia. (ABC) International relations Enlargement of NATO Sweden–NATO relations Turkey's Grand National Assembly approves Sweden's NATO membership bid. (CNN) Law and crime 2024 German anti-extremism protests Germany's Federal Constitutional Court rules that the National Democratic Party of Germany will be prohibited from receiving funding as an extremist organisation, the first time the constitutional provision has been enforced since its establishment in 2017. (Politico) A woman is killed while her husband and their daughter, all FNSEA members, are injured after a car crashes into a roadblock in Pamiers, France, at a protest for better pay and against excessive regulation. (AP) The National Telecommunications Commission of the Philippines orders the indefinite suspension of the broadcast operations of Sonshine Media Network International citing the network's failure to comply with an earlier suspension order. (Rappler) The Senate of the Philippines' committee on women conducts a public hearing regarding the alleged abuses within the Kingdom of Jesus Christ. Three women, two Ukrainian nationals and one Filipino, accuse church leader Apollo Quiboloy of sexually abusing them. (CNN Philippines) A mass shooting in a deserted area in Adelanto, California, United States kills six people. Five suspects were arrested. (LA Times) Politics and elections 2024 United States presidential election 2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries The 2024 New Hampshire Democratic presidential primary is held. Joe Biden's name does not appear on the ballot due to a scheduling dispute between the Democratic National Committee and the state government. (CBS News) 2024 Republican Party presidential primaries The 2024 New Hampshire Republican presidential primary is held. Donald Trump is projected to win the primary by the Associated Press, NBC News, and The New York Times. (CNN) (Fox News) (AP) (NBC News) (The New York Times)

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RD: Mohammed Ghobadlou

Article: Execution of Mohammad Ghobadloo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El País, Hengaw
Credits:

• Nominated by NoonIcarus (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Afddiary (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Iranian man executed for his participation in the 2022 Mahsa Amini protests NoonIcarus (talk) 20:45, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

• Disqualified, close: RD articles need to be biographical (about the person, not the death). JM (talk) 20:51, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

  There's no such rule at the main RD page (see Deaths in 2024#23). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

  WP:ITNRD says An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Wikipedia article, in which "biographical article" is interpreted to mean article on life, not death, something shown by the last time an RD was nominated without being a biographical article. JM (talk) 21:04, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

  Oftentimes, an event article has a substantial enough biographical component of its main player(s). They just can't have articles due to WP:BLP1E. That said, I'm not seeing enough in this article (which is not written well), so Oppose. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:10, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment The article has been improved since the nomination. Adding updater. --NoonIcarus (talk) 02:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per JM. The concern is whether this man is WP:N. Nigej (talk) 10:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• NOTE I am reopening this discussion which I think was closed prematurely. I agree that it does not meet our guidelines for RD. However, it might be worth discussing as a possible blurb if anyone wants to propose one. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Doomsday Clock

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Article: Doomsday Clock (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Doomsday Clock (pictured) stands at 90 seconds to midnight. (Post)
News source(s): Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, Al Jazeera, BBC,DW, South China Morning Post, USA Today
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Stefaniedb (talk · give credit)

Article updated

We now have AI and drone swarms to add to the growing list of existential threats... Andrew🐉(talk) 23:17, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose No blurb... nothing changed. Noah, AA^Talk 23:24, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Snow close how does andrew always post the most useless thing it didnt even change??????????????? Lukt64 (talk) 23:50, 23 January 2024 (UTC)\

Assume Good Faith. No need to be rude PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:57, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

• Snow close-- it didn't change, so there's no story here. @Lukt64: -- please be more polite. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:01, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per others. There is no update here. Per BBC: The Doomsday Clock - which shows how symbolically close the world is to nuclear Armageddon - is to remain at 90 seconds to midnight. Scientists have listed reasons for keeping its hands the closest they have ever been to "Doomsday" - but stopped short of nudging it further forward. (bolded for emphasis) Natg 19 (talk) 00:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose it didn't change Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Even if the number did change, the clock time would still be trivial. It is a completely arbitrary measurement with no bearing in reality. Curbon7 (talk) 00:24, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
• Strong oppose and speedy close The clock has not changed, not sure why this was nominated. Kanyewestlover999 (talk) 00:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
• SNOW Close Old news, last changed a year ago. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 01:10, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't know who decided that some arbitrary clock was a good measure of how close we all are to blowing each other up. This is purely a publicity stunt that has no relation to anything tangible or quantifiable. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

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(Closed) Arch of Reunification demolition

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Article: Arch of Reunification (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Arch of Reunification (pictured) in North Korea is demolished. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The North Korean government demolishes the Arch of Reunification (pictured).
News source(s): Reuters, Forbes, NK News
Credits:

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Demolished some time between 19 and 23 January, but reported today. Rather a historical move, regardless of further developments. Brandmeister^talk 21:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Support - somewhat well known landmark, but also comes as North Korea has publicly ruled out reunification with the South. Regardless of how well known the arch was, it is very mucus much emblematic of a big shift in Korea. — Knightoftheswords 22:17, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

very mucus?? oh no, it snot!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm a little confused because, from what I've seen, North Korea still wants the reunification of the entire peninsula, just under their rule and without the existence of the Republic of Korea (South Korea). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Nope, not any more; they have seemingly abandoned reunification. — Knightoftheswords 15:38, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I believe what the editor is referring to is reunification in the sense of the country's constitution should reflect the issue of "occupying", "recapturing" and "incorporating" the South into its territory (from the article you linked). i.e., southern territory reunified with northern territory unilaterally under the DPRK alongside the state extinction of the ROK. JM (talk) 16:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I was, thanks. I guess this is just the end of any hope of peaceful resolution to the conflict, not that there was much in the first place. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:11, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. I don't see the significance. From article — "It was opened in August 2001 to commemorate Korean reunification proposals put forward by Kim Il Sung" — so it isn't even a historical monument, it only existed for around twenty years, and it wasn't made to commemorate an event or some real steps. Just proposals.

The reunification being ruled out is not a major event, it's the reality what everyone understands. During the years of division, North Korea has become increasingly isolated, and South Korea is now of the most technologically advanced countries. Purely local event. No reunification was possible before public statements, they don't change anything, no blurb. Kirill C1 (talk) 22:35, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. Look, I understand the significance of the message being sent, but this is essentially, “tyrant has temper tantrum, tears down twenty year-old thing that his dad built,” vibe to me. RPH (talk) 01:32, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Support on notability but the article quality needs improvement. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:13, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

• Conditional support. Regardless of how insignificant any NK threats of launching spy satellites and boosting the nuclear arsenal are, this is something of a symbol that was ordered demolished in concert with inscribing South Korea as the primary foe in the constitution. So there's something to it. Casual mention of NK support for russkee criminal acts in the Ukraine. --Ouro (blah blah) 08:50, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

  I don't think referring to Russians using an ethic slur is appropriate for Wikipedia and I think that you should strike it. JM (talk) 08:59, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

  Not the biggest deal. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:58, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

  That's a little astonishing to read. JM (talk) 18:21, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

  Its designation as a slur on that article seems dubious, source used doesn't refer to it as such (and many others state it's simply a term for 'ethnic Russian' without negative subtext), though I can see how it may be offensive. Still, pointless discussion to have here, I raised the topic at the article talk page. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:43, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I acknowledge Your opposition to my honest and open usage of this term. --Ouro (blah blah) 09:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per the fact that what's significant (if anything) is the end of any pretense of reuinification, not the demolition of a 22-year-old monument to it. JM (talk) 09:02, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Clearly some sort of symbolic gesture from Kim Jong Un, but we've really no idea what that is. Currently not significant enough. Nigej (talk) 10:06, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Tentative Oppose I have to oppose this for the moment simply because it would contradict what the article currently says, that the demolition hasn't been independently verified. IF it is confirmed, I might reconsider. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:58, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support - I think the wider geopolitics concerns about North Korea tend to be underplayed, and this act is symbolic for much of Asia.

Arind8 (talk) 11:01, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

• Big picture See Is North Korea's leader actually considering war? in which the demolition is seen as part of a plan for war. Or is it just sabre-rattling? The experts are divided so we may need to wait for further developments. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:26, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - This isn't making the news, has no wider repercussions in itself, whether or not it's symbolic of a change in the direction of the NK leadership, and just isn't that big a deal. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:35, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose - Per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:59, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose if it's a sign of future issues, then those future issues could be posted here if and when they become ITN worthy. But this one event is not ITN worthy in itself. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose may be a harbinger of ITN-worthy developments, but is not ITN-worthy in its own right. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 16:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support It's a significant landmark, and significant to North Korea. We would support the dismantling of The Eiffel Tower or the Washington Monument, this is no different; maybe even more symbolic as it symbolises a geopolitical aspiration. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:42, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

• I am not North Korean, but associating this arch to the Eiffel Tower or the Washington Monument seems facetious. I am doubtful that it rises to that level of significance as a monument / landmark. Natg 19 (talk) 19:48, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
• Aside from the many more years and much more publicity those two have, many American and French people actually read this culturally significant and geopolitically aspirational site, and might reasonably expect to see us write something about such hypothetical news. I, for one, oppose their destruction. Not opposing this nom, just saying. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:08, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose While an argument could be made that it is notable that, as said in the article, Kim Jong Un is denouncing the goal of reunification, the demolition of the arch itself doesn't seem to have any impact. At the very least, no impact is listed in the article.2G0o2De0l (talk) 22:09, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support due to notability. --NoonIcarus (talk) 02:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability due to the significance of the landmark. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:56, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Propaganda monument torn down by pouting Communist dictator. Maybe we need to update WP:NOT to include "Wikipedia is not a propaganda service for tin pot dictators trying to get attention." -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

  I, for one, read it the other way: barbaric demolition of a 20-year+ landmark that shouldn't go into oblivion. But anyway... ~~~~ Brandmeister^talk 17:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Charles Osgood

Article: Charles Osgood (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 20:50, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is in decent shape and pretty well referenced. I saw a handful of sentences lacking a cite, but the claims were either trivial or supported at least by implication elsewhere in the article and didn't see any point in tagging them. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 03:32, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024 Uqturpan earthquake

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Article: 2024 Uqturpan earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A 7.1 magnitude earthquake occurs in Uqturpan County, Xinjiang, China. (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Quake1234 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Dora the Axe-plorer (talk · give credit)

7.1 magnitude earthquake. Minimal damage so far, but notable based on the size of the quake. Natg 19 (talk) 08:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

oppose per “minimal damage”. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:06, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

No one's even died in this earthquake, so I oppose. Quake1234 (talk) 10:38, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - ITN isn't a natural disaster ticker. Good faith nom, but not notable PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:26, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose not notable as per above, minimal damage and death. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose agreeing with the sentiments above ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:16, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose no one died Setarip (talk) 14:17, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

But the casualties have been updated, that 3 peoples died. Are you still going to oppose? Bakhos2010 (talk) 15:52, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Three unfortunate deaths, but too few to be ITN-interesting. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:11, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - The region where the earthquake took place was somewhat rural and had minimal impact on humanity. CollationoftheWilling (talk) 15:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment—The Chinese province of Yunnan was beset by a landslide yesterday, which resulted in the deaths of no less than 30 people. It doesn't seem like there's been any confirmation that this landslide is a direct result of the 7.1 earthquake, but if it does turn out that they are related, we should probably consolidate the two events into a single blurb. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurtis (talk • contribs) 21:16, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

• Yunnan is nowhere close to Xinjiang (4000km away) so I am doubtful these are connected. Natg 19 (talk) 21:21, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

January 22

Portal:Current events/2024 January 22

January 22, 2024 (2024-01-22) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Red Sea crisis 2024 missile strikes in Yemen The United States and United Kingdom launch new airstrikes on Houthi military infrastructure in Yemen, including an underground storage site, anti-ship missiles, and radars. The UK confirms that four RAF Typhoons took part in the strikes. (BBC News) Russian invasion of Ukraine President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy signs a decree recognizing some Russian territories, including parts of Bryansk Oblast and Krasnodar Krai, as historically inhabited by Ukrainians. (The Kyiv Independent) Arts and culture Ayodhya dispute Ram Mandir Prana Pratishtha The Ram Mandir temple in Ayodhya, Uttar Pradesh, India, is inaugurated by India's prime minister, Narendra Modi. (CNN) Disasters and accidents At least 18 people are killed after a truck plunged into a ravine in Kasangulu, Kongo Central, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (AP) A landslide in Zhaotong, Yunnan, China, kills at least eight people and buries 47 others. Over 200 people are evacuated. (CNA) A helicopter carrying seven people crashes in Terrace, British Columbia, Canada, leaving 3 dead and 4 others injured. (Reuters) Law and crime 2024 Joliet shootings Seven people are killed in two separate shootings at two homes in Joliet, Illinois, United States. Later the same day, the suspect fatally shoots himself in Texas. An eighth person was also killed by the same gunman a day before. (BBC News) Standoff at Eagle Pass Governor of Texas Greg Abbott refuses to follow a court order allowing Border Patrol agents to enter Shelby Park, an area in the town of Eagle Pass which the Texas National Guard had seized control over earlier this month. (The Independent) Politics and elections Joseph Boakai is inaugurated as President of Liberia, succeeding outgoing president George Weah. (BBC News)

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(Posted) RD: Arno Allan Penzias

Article: Arno Allan Penzias (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9]
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sgubaldo (talk · give credit) and Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs a little bit of work. Natg 19 (talk) 23:48, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - He's definitely notable enough as a Nobel-winner, but the article is still a little on the short side and some of the references may need some adjusting. Sgubaldo (talk) 00:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

• Per WP:ITNRD, any article of a recently dead subject can be posted, provided they meet quality requirements. Natg 19 (talk) 00:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Article in good enough shape. Sgubaldo (talk) 13:31, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 10:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Norman Jewison

Article: Norman Jewison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10]
Credits:

• Nominated by Flibirigit (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit), The One I Left (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit), TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit) and Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Notable director, some citations still needed. Flibirigit (talk) 21:41, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

• I did not suggest a blurb when nominated, it was added later by a different user. I recommend only listed as a recent death. Flibirigit (talk) 21:55, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Very influential film director, was nominated for Oscar staggering seven times and won Thalberg Award. Won other important honours — BAFTA, David Donatello Award, Berlin Silver Bear and others. Made Fiddler on the Roof, Moonstruck, and In the Heat of the Night, the latter starring Sidney Poitier and being the staple of anti-racism work. From Guardian obit by Peter Bradshaw — "For five extraordinary decades, Norman Jewison’s film-making was the beating heart of Hollywood drama: he could do anything and supercharged it with idealism, confidence and style. Jewison has been behind an extraordinary array of classics and hits: for half the time the cinema has been in existence, Norman Jewison was the gold standard of a night at the movies." In Thomas Crown Affair and Cincinnati Kid "he invented the stylish presence of Steve McQueen"[11]. Kirill C1 (talk) 17:07, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. This is exactly what RD is for. He was nothing like important enough for the blurb. Nigej (talk) 17:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

• @Nigej: hope you can take another look (for RD only, of course).—Bloom6132 (talk) 03:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready for the usual reason. Oppose blurb. He was a significant figure but not Cecil B DeMille. Once the article is up to scratch RD is fine. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:02, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

• @Ad Orientem: hope you can take another look.—Bloom6132 (talk) 03:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support Much improved. Article is in very good condition. Marking as ready. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN after my edits. —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 04:13, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gigi Riva

Article: Gigi Riva (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): la Repubblica
Credits:

• Nominated by Martin Mystère (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Considered to be one of the best players of his generation, as well as one of the greatest strikers of all time. --Martin Mystère (talk) 19:47, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support most definitely, as a fellow Italian! I must address, though, that the "Club career" section needs to be cleaned up of some really sketchy sourcing: I hope I'll be able to help myself. Still, what a terrible loss... Oltrepier (talk) 21:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support - heavily sourced! ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Looks good enough to me. Nigej (talk) 17:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:20, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Dexter King

Article: Dexter King (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN Associated Press
Credits:

• Nominated by Roc0ast3r (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American activist and youngest son of Martin Luther King Jr.  RONIN  TALK  19:10, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support - A few bits still need citations (working on it). Funcrunch (talk) 21:37, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support - article looks much better than it did earlier. Good enough to go now I think ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Ram Mandir

Article: Ram Mandir (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ram Mandir is consecrated at Ram Janmabhoomi at Ayodhya in India. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ram Mandir is consecrated at the disputed Ram Janmabhoomi at Ayodhya in India.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Ram Mandir temple is consecrated at the disputed Ram Janmabhoomi in Ayodhya, India.
Alternative blurb III: ​ A temple to Rama (pictured) is consecrated at his disputed birthplace in India.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ A temple to Rama (pictured) is consecrated at his birthplace in India.
News source(s): Hindu Hindustan Times Times of India NBC CNN CNN BBC Independent Reuters Bloomberg Bloomberg Washington Post Washington Post Foreign Policy Wall Street Journal Wall Street Journal Strait Times New York Times New York Times RFI Al Jazeera Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by theTigerKing (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Needs some updating post it's actual consecration that happens in exact 4 hours from now

Significant religious event that marks the culmination of long drawn movement to build the Ram temple in India. It's history has been mired in long drawn legal battles that has spanned over more than 200 years in 2019. Hailed as an event of lifetime for the fellow Indians, was also a political movement for many organizations based out of India. Has been covered in epic proportion by the media from all around the world. Regards, theTigerKing  03:17, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Wait Once the event is completed and necessary updates are made to the article, we can put it up on ITN. Leoneix _(talk) 05:05, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Support to Alt blurb and alt blurb 3. Leoneix _(talk) 04:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

• We posted the court decision to allow the building, and also the start of the building. Stephen 05:25, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Support - It has been inaugurated. Interesting story that I hadn't heard of until now PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:49, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

• Needs work To understand the significance, see Why India’s New Ram Temple Is So Important. But the main article has future tense statements which may now be in the past or present. And the proposed blurbs try to cram in too many links to other articles. But none of them have the essential English word "temple" which is needed as context for the general reader. An image is needed too but I'm adding one now. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:03, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Support per above; I have also added another altblurb taking into account Andrew Davidson's comment as well as ITN wikilink conventions. DecafPotato (talk) 10:14, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Mandir and temple mean the same Regards, theTigerKing  15:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC) 10:30, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, however "Mandir" may be unfamiliar to the general English-speaking audience expected on the front page of Wikipedia. DecafPotato (talk) 22:56, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

• Opposition by formality We have already posted the groundbreaking ceremony in August 2020. No need to post its inauguration. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability The inauguration itself is massively important, and the fact that we posted about it 4 years ago doesn't mean it isn't in the news today. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 11:12, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Support Altblurb3 I think it's the clearest at explaining the importance of the event to a global audience. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:59, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

• Is it Ram Mandir or "The Ram Mandir"? The article has "The Ram Mandir" but the blurb just has "Ram Mandir." QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 14:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

WP:ARBIP
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Support - This is a major symbolic topic for Hindus and has been a major agenda in politics for many years, with the version of "Ram Mandir is consecrated at Ayodhya in India." I oppose using the "dispute" word because it's too unclear as to what is actually disputed because it's no worse than Temple Mount in Jerusalem which is actually disputed, and the argument in this debate seems to be more about how to apply property law to the site. CollationoftheWilling (talk) 12:31, 22 January 2024 (UTC) There seem to be several disputes including: Was this really the birth place of Rama? Is his name Ram or Rama? The exact history of the site and its previous mosque/temples The credit for making this happen The implications of the event – is this the Ram Rajya? On Wikipedia the topic is subject to WP:ARBIP sanctions and especially extended confirmed protection. So, the opinions of new editors should perhaps be discounted. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:44, 22 January 2024 (UTC) His name is Rama if transliterated from Sanskrit and Ram if transliterated from Hindi. See the third paragraph of this page: Schwa deletion in Indo-Aryan languages. --84.252.98.62 (talk) 14:20, 22 January 2024 (UTC) So, what does that make it in English? Currently, the English-language Wikipedia is going with Rama, just like Krishna and Yoga. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:46, 22 January 2024 (UTC) In my experience, Ram, Krishan, Yog is more common in North India while Rama, Krishna, Yoga is more common in South India (specifically Dravidian language speakers) and in Europe/US. --84.252.98.62 (talk) 15:03, 22 January 2024 (UTC) The questions asked seems to relevant (Ram or Rama and so on ); either we declare them in the beginning and use them consistently thereafter to mantain the flow and avoid confusion to the readers of the articles.Regards, theTigerKing  15:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC) Also I would also add that "Rama" seems to be the most common in East Asia and South East Asia as well. In fact I have always heard the term as Rama and not Ram except in the context of the Ram Temple. CollationoftheWilling (talk) 17:53, 22 January 2024 (UTC) Why is this related to India vs Pakistan? There was a mosque on the site but that's related to Indian Muslims. Indian Muslims don't identify any more with Pakistanis than they do with Persians or Arabs, similar to Indonesians relationship with Arabs. CollationoftheWilling (talk) 16:57, 22 January 2024 (UTC) India/Pakistan/Afghanistan as a whole is designated as a CTOP, regardless of whether this article has anything to do with more than one. The Kip 18:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC) 1. You could make a similar argument about anything related to history, mythology and religion. The original use of Stonehenge is disputed for example. Did Jesus exist? etc... 2. Ram and Rama are the same word. It's no difference to Jesus and Yesus. 3. Scientifically there is no dispute about what was there. As to who should be allowed to use it is a case for property law. 4. I think there is virtually no dispute about who is taking credit for this in the eyes of the Indian public; the right wing is viewed as supporting the Mandir and the left wing as opposing the Mandir. 5. There is no discussion about the Ram Rajya. It's seen as a milestone in the political conflict between Hindus and Muslims, and the aftermath of removing the negatives of colonialism for the Hindu side. 6. This is more related to the Hindu - Muslim conflict than anything to do with Pakistan. Rama is important for Buddhists and Jains to, and is widely understood in countries like Nepal, Burma and Sri Lanka. Pakistan should not have a big say in this article. CollationoftheWilling (talk) 17:10, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

CommentWould rather not recommend the word "dispute" in the blurb considering it has been "resolved" by the final authority which is the Supreme Court of India and "Accepted to" by all the parties involved. Period! Regards, theTigerKing  15:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Support the alt blurbs Surely the news here is the "dispute", otherwise I don't see this as any different to any other temple/church/whatever opening around the world. Nigej (talk) 16:13, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - The main article was super unstable and is currently under full protection due to persistent editwarring and content dispute. Multiple discussions are underway right now for the resolutions. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 17:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support to the "Alternative blurb". The event is notable on its own despite we posting about the groundbreaking 3 years ago. But the full protection on the page makes it difficult to copy edit it. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 17:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support as per nom, the consecration ceremony was completed. Thewikizoomer (talk) 17:44, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support Support, per above. This has received significant coverage and is definitely notable. Article needs minor updates but don't see anything that should prevent us from posting. Schwinnspeed (talk) 18:09, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb 1, but should it be "The Ram Mandir" not "Ram Mandir"? Not sure. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 18:20, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Would recommend NOT posting Alt Blurb 3. The original blurb or Alt. blurb 2 would suffice - the land itself is the reason behind the long and ongoing dispute. The way Alt Blurb 3 reads, it oversimplifies the dispute by narrowing it down to a single argument (ie., whether its his birthplace or not) Schwinnspeed (talk) 22:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support Altblurb1 or 2 The construction of Ram's Temple is internationally defined by how it was hotly contested for decades, highlighted by how many articles covering this ceremony discussed it to various lengths. To downplay or ignore it is ludicrous and (ironically) pretty biased. Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 21:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support Altblurb2 I'm unfamiliar with a lot of Indian current events, so I'm not the best judge of notability, but from my brief look at the article, I think it deserves a place in ITN. I specifically support Alt2 because it specifies what type of site it is to the uninitiated (yes, it's repetitive for people familiar for the topic) and it also mentions that the birthplace is disputed. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 00:39, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt3 It is short, acknowledges the question on the site's history but without touching onto anything overly controversial. --Masem (t) 05:06, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt3 , given the immense coverage in news and article receiving over a million views in just a span of a week. [12]Ratnahastin (talk) 05:27, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support Blurb, i.e. Ram Mandir is consecrated at Ram Janmabhoomi at Ayodhya in India. The dispute ceased to exist after Supreme Court ruling. Even the legal parties don't call it a dispute any longer after they got alternative land for mosque. ShaanSengupta^Talk 05:36, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support ALT2. AryKun (talk) 05:55, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support Blurb, main one. Satisfies ITN and other guidelines; no longer a disputed site since the SC verdict. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:04, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support ALT3, as this is the clearest. The blurb should explain why it's disputed, but the event is definitely noteworthy and in the news enough. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:12, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• I think Alt3 is likely the most appropriate and concise. The article on the dispute itself seems to me to be detailed and of high-quality. Bolding Ram Janmabhoomi would be appropriate if that article had been more thoroughly updated, but it isn't. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:56, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support, but we need to include that it was constructed on the site of a mosque destroyed by rioters - absent that background it would not be receiving the level of international coverage it is receiving. BilledMammal (talk) 11:00, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt or Alt2, not the original blurb or Alt3 As BilledMammal says above, unless we mention the extremely controversial aspect of it being built, the reader has no idea why the story is prominent in the news at all (because it wouldn't really be that important). Black Kite (talk) 11:16, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support It feels like the landmark event for India's descent into religious fascism. Must be why it's getting worldwide interest. I am not happy with any of the blurbs. I would suggest people who know good English and good blurb turn the following into a something usable: Ram Mandir is consecrated at the site of the demolished Babri Mosque at Ayodhya in India. Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:28, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt1 or Alt2 These blurbs do the best job of describing the dispute. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 12:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The addition of the word - once disputed should solve the discussion and will also be aligned with the status quo. Regards, theTigerKing  13:24, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

• "Once disputed" suggests it isn't disputed any more, which is clearly not the case. Black Kite (talk) 14:57, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb with the suggestion that we change it to "Ram Mandir is consecrated at the disputed site Ram Janmabhoomi at Ayodhya in India" ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment the thing that makes this notable is the demolition of the mosque and the involvement of Indian political parties in it. Any blurb needs to mention and link to the demolition of the mosque as well. Secretlondon (talk) 15:30, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I know hindi language so I can easily spell Mandir and Janmabhoomi, But large number of readers might not be able to do so. I feel that english translations, Temple and birthplace should be used. -- Parnaval (talk) 11:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

  Done with respect to "temple". Not sure about "birthplace", because that is a matter of faith and would not make sense in context. Sandstein 16:01, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

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