User talk:Koavf

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Thanks. QU ^TalkQu 08:04, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I see you've been editing for years but nobody has said Hi, so Hi! QU ^TalkQu 08:04, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Our confusing subject/category hierarchy

The way we've got things set up is less than ideal; it's grown up over the years as we've tried to make do with the wiki software we've been given. I can try to fix up a Subject:Anarchism for you later today (anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours from now). Here's an attempt to explain generally how it all works:

• Each book has a book category, which contains all the pages in that book (and also any templates specific to that book).
• Each subject has a subject category, which contains the main pages of all the books that explicitly name that subject.
• Each subject has an associated allbooks category, which contains the main pages of all the books that explicitly name either that subject, or any of its subsections.

There are a series of pages that (unfortunately) have to be set up just right in order to make all that happen; it's a bit tricky. We really should have a full-blown interactive wizard for managing it all, but while we're waiting for that (I'm working on tools for building wizards, over at English Wikinews), it can be confusing.

• If template {{subjects}}, on the main page of a book,is given the name of a subject that has been set up just the way expected by our semi-automation, the template automatically lists the book under the named subject and all the ancestors of that subject. For example, I've now set up a Subject:Christianity, so putting {{subjects|Christianity}} on a book's main page will now cause it to be listed in that subject, and also in Subject:Abrahamic religions, Subject:Religion, and Subject:Humanities.
• Creating a category for a topic, such as Category:Anarchism, doesn't automatically set up an associated subject.
• There is a way to get assistance with setting up a category, though it sure would be nice to have more assistance than it gives. I used this assistance to set up Subject:Christianity a few minutes ago, and, as I say, I'll try to do Subject:Anarchism soon. The trick is to edit the book's main page, add parameter "|diagnose=true" to the {{subjects}} template, and preview the page; there's no need to save the page. If there's a "subject" page there that hasn't been set up properly, the preview presents you with a bunch of buttons for setting up the needed infrastructure pages.

--Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 15:09, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

@Pi zero: I figured out how some of that was working by tinkering myself. Thanks. My only concern was that there were existing categories which are more refined and better for navigation which you were emptying it out of. If you think a category is too refined and should be upmerged (and you may not think this), then discussion would be better. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:12, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it can be awkward to decide when something is worth creating a child subject for, and when it's better to simply list it in the parent subject. I suppose it depends on how well-defined the child subject is, and how naturally it fits into the existing hierarchy. It usually wouldn't make sense, for instance, to create a subject just so that a single book could be put in it.

When a non-subject category is passed to {{subjects}}, so that the template is unable to list the book in subjects as it's supposed to, the template puts out a call for help by adding the book to Category:Attention needed (allbooks). Every once in a while I remember to go look there, and fix all the problems it reports. Usually this consists of changing parameters to the template, to put the book in subjects that have been set up rather than ones that haven't been set up. However, sometimes the subject really should be set up. As, for example, Subject:Christianity. I got partway into shifting listings to Subject:Abrahamic religions before my higher reasoning caught up with me and said, wait a minute, there are already child subjects for Islam and Judaism, why on Earth wouldn't there be one for Christianity? (This is my laughing at myself.) --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 15:32, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

@Pi zero: Exactly: there is and will be enough material to warrant a division but maybe not for Rastafarianism (at least not now or soon). By the way, thanks for all the work you do wb and wn--they don't get enough attention as WMF projects. I can tell that you really want to improve them. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:34, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Fonts

@PeterEasthope: Can you show me the page that you are editing?

Justin, the problem is now solved with module Oberon/A2/Oberon.MediaWiki.Mod. The module pages in Oberon are produced by that module. Regards, ... PeterEasthope (discuss • contribs) 15:29, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Color gradient

Hi. What means square bracket in : "[S]eparate the calculation phase from the colouring phase"—Claude Heiland-Allen  ? --Adam majewski (discuss • contribs) 16:13, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@Adam majewski: I don't know; I didn't add the quote. :/ It does seem unhelpful. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:14, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but you have add bracket : "Latest revision as of 18:04, 1 March 2020 (edit) (undo) (thank) Koavf (discuss | contribs) rollback 1 edit" --Adam majewski (discuss • contribs) 16:50, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@Adam majewski: Oh, you are just asking about the bracket? Sorry. I added that because in English, it is common to add brackets at the beginning of lines where you only have part of a quotation. The quotation here has no punctuation and doesn't seem to be a complete thought, so I just assumed that it's a quotation from mid-sentence. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:53, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Mathematics(about lines ,areas and volumes)

Let's start with the notion of a point that is considered as the most fundamental thing of Eucledian geometry .what is a point? You heard that point has position but it has no length ,neither breadth nor width. Now let's discuss a little about unit(because it is must for further discussion).

Now, what is unit ? You heard that when we measure a physical quantity, we have to a convenient part of the same quantity as documentary and this part is called unit. When measuring the quantity we only concern with the number of unit and specify the unit as letters or another symbols(say, a length of 3cm ,here 3 is the number of unit presented in the measurement and cm is the particular part that we take as unit).Remember this passage as it is helpful for further discussion.

Now ,let's talk about lines . You heard that line is the combination of infinite points.But is this statement true? Hitherto we discussed about units ,there we take a unit as a convenient part of the same quantity. So ,is the property of line and point same? If we take the definition of line ,we heard line has length ,neither breadth nor width but a point has nothing but a position.so from definition their properties are not same ,the are different with their properties. Then ,how can a line be made of points? Now one can say, " One can find infinite points on line,then why shouldn't we take line as the combination of points?" It is also documentay. But we should think that from definition the point has no lenth then how can we form a length by combining points ?as one point has no length then how a few points can form a length? You will understand better by an example, take the shadow of an object ,will this shadow be thicker if we place the shadow of another object on it? No!! Then what is true ,a line is made of points or not? And if the line is not made of points then what is the connection between line and point? As we can find infinite points on a line.

You should remember the whole discussion and relate this while compairing the line and area.in this also somebody say that area is made of infinite lines.This statement is controversial, too.As line has no breadth how lines make an area? And same controversy for volumes. You can think a point as a property of line at a position.And you should concern about this controversy.

Thank you, for reading!! Debdut Guha (discuss • contribs) 03:20, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Oh, okay. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:20, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

A new proposal

Hi Koavf, there is currently a proposal at Wikibooks:Reading room/Proposals for non-admins to be given the ability of Suppress redirect and Move subpages. Since you’ve been an active user on Wikibooks for the last thirty day, I thought you might join in by giving feedback/opinion or amendments. Thank you so much for your time Synoman Barris (discuss • contribs) 14:18, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

You should become an en.wiki admin.

Just curious why you are not. T. Gregtregretgtr (discuss • contribs) 23:28, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

@Tgregtregretgtr: I haven't been dedicated to this wiki in the past. No particular reason: it's a great idea and resource. There are just 24 hours in a day. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:42, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Koavf,I meant the English Wikipedia. T. Gregtregretgtr (discuss • contribs) 23:42, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh, well I had been nominated by others but displayed incompetence in the nominations. I also am blocked there at present for edit-warring. I'm hoping the community sees the value in me contributing in the future, but that's predicated on me having a clear plan for constructive editing that builds trust in other editors that I will act appropriately. Edit-warring is unacceptable, so I will have to show that I won't engage in it on en.wp and I haven't proven that to a sufficient amount yet. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:51, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

On April 1st,Wikipedia will not make vandalism allowed. OK? T. Gregtregretgtr (discuss • contribs) 23:57, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

It's never allowed. Were it allowed, it wouldn't be vandalism. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:06, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Welcoming users

Hi, I see you left the welcome message in my user page back when I joined this wikimedia project. I’m interested in welcoming new users here. How do I go along doing that? Thanks in advance, -Gifnk dlm 2020 From Middle English Wikipedia 📜📖💻 (talk) 15:09, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

@Gifnk dlm 2020: I have only ever welcomed users as I've happened to find them, e.g. if a new user edits a page on my watchlist. If you want to make it a point to welcome new users, you can check Special:RecentChanges with these filters. I generally only welcome someone who has actually made edits and not just anyone who creates an account, but you could do either. The {{welcome}} template is helpful and particularly if you add some kind of personal message below substituting it. I'm glad you want to do outreach to others. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:18, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I will start welcoming users. -Gifnk dlm 2020 From Middle English Wikipedia 📜📖💻 (talk) 18:22, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Recipe style guidelines

Hello! Your feedback would be welcome and appreciated at Cookbook_talk:Policy/Recipe_template#Style_guidelines. Thanks! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 15:20, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello

Hello to koavf.I read your comment and you suggested a few things.

These were:

*Craigslist, Fiver, Upwork, etc.*

what are these Germany Poul Ah (discuss • contribs) 05:14, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

These are websites where you can list want ads. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:19, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

How to do it? Germany Poul Ah (discuss • contribs) 04:40, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

The easiest to make a post on is https://craigslist.org/ I can't promise you will get any responses there either, but it's a little more likely than here at least. Good luck. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:44, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you,I really can't write my six books. Germany Poul Ah (discuss • contribs) 13:11, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Special:Diff/4322625

Hi @Koavf! Sorry about that! I didn't realize that non-breaking spaces were important. I'm in the habit of removing odd/out of place characters. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 01:37, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

They're certainly helpful. Thanks for all you do, KC. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:50, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Help bring a book over from the French wikibooks

Hi Koavf,

Since you contribute to many wmf-wikis as a functionary, I wonder if you can tell me what is the easiest way to bring the book The Wikimedia movement over here from the French wikibooks. This book was written by User:Lionel Scheepmans who

"holds a doctorate in political and social sciences, is a free-culture activist and is a lecturer in anthropology at UCLouvain University. He holds several administrative positions within the Wikimedia movement, which he has been observing in a participatory way since 2011. Before writing his doctoral thesis on the Wikimedia movement, he was the author of a master's thesis entitled Culture fr Wikipedia, in which he describes the organization of the free encyclopedia in French."

Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Also @MathXplore, @Kittycataclysm, @SHB2000, @MarcGarver, @Leaderboard, @Xania, @Atcovi Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 19:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Ottawahitech:, it needs to be imported and then translated. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 20:19, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Mind if I take a look at it in a few days time? Sorry for the delay – uni exams rn are killing me. --SHB2000 (discuss • contribs) 20:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

It will need to be exported then imported using importupload (an XML file upload). It's not difficult, but you can find the session timing out if the file is particularly large. All admins have importupload rights here. MarcGarver (discuss • contribs) 22:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Always happy to help, but I don't have advanced permissions here. :/ —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I guess others have answered the question. I would like to note that translation can also be done in userspace (By starting things at userspace or moving to there after import). Feel free to move to mainspace from userspace after translation is complete. Please also note that Wikibooks reviewers and admins can move pages without redirects (Please see special:UserGroupRights for details). MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 01:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks to all for contributing here. I am still fuzzy about the procedure for bringing the book The Wikimedia movement over from the French wikibooks and translating it into English.

I looked up Wikibooks:Requests for import, is this where non-admin users are supposed to request help from an Admin (I guess importers cannot import books that are not written in English)? According to Help:Importing, pages are imported to the Transwiki namespace, but I am not sure what happens then, and where the translation from French to English is supposed to take place before the translated text can get merged into the existing skeleton set up by User:Lionel Scheepmans.

Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 17:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech:, the process is as follows:

• An admin or importer imports the book from fr.wikibooks (this must be done using external import aka importupload); users can request at WB:RFI among other venues.
• the book now lives in the Transwiki namespace. This is an opportunity for the translation to take place.
• Once the translation has taken place, the book is simply moved to namespace (or wherever the book is to be moved).

Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 04:36, 17 March 2024 (UTC)