Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Majid Al Muhandis

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Keep. Sources exist, they point out the subject's notability--the language is irrelevant. Drmies (talk) 01:36, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Majid Al Muhandis

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A proposed deletion of this article failed with the suggestion that Majid Al Muhandis turns up several Google hits when the Arabic name is used. Having translated these through Google Translate, however, it would appear that Majid Al Muhandis is also the name of an engineer, and that most of the entries are about the engineer and not the singer about whom this article is written. A search for reliable, secondary sources reveals an insufficient amount of significant coverage. This article fails Wikipedia's notability guidelines for musicians. Neelix (talk) 20:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I must correct some inaccuracies in the nomination. When I contested WP:PROD deletion I did not refer to several Google hits, but many Google News hits,[1], and Google News usually has a ratio of reliable to unreliable sources several orders of magnitude higher than a Google web search. I don't understand Arabic, but can see that most of the first twenty or so of those thousand hits have pictures of our article subject, so are not about some namesake. I also suggested that Arabic-reading editors should evaluate this before it is considered for deletion, but I can see no evidence that the nominator has done anything to try to get such editors involved. I would have thought that someone who claims to be an ambassador for Wikipedia would take such an approach rather than rush straight to deletion. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:03, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for having misinterpreted your edit summary. I have notified WikiProject Arab World of this deletion discussion. Neelix (talk) 13:37, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:36, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:36, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 05:13, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Gongshow ^Talk 05:05, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Unfortunately, there aren't enough English sources to support an appropriate English article at this time. It appears the one reference, portal.sawbeirut.com, no longer exists so I recovered the link through web.archive.org which only mentions him twice. He is probably a well-known singer for Pakistan but I'm not fluent with Urdu (or any of the Middle Eastern languages) so I wouldn't know where and how to search. However, Google News found two relevant results, one news article here (concert cancellation announcement) and here (brief mention for a performance). I have no prejudice towards a future article with appropriate and significant references. SwisterTwister talk 07:19, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 00:19, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per SwisterTwister's reasoning. Recreate if/when more English-language reliable sources are available. -- Wikipedical (talk) 07:45, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is no requirement for sources to be in English. Phil Bridger (talk) 08:33, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2012 November 13. Snotbot t • c » 17:01, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep on the basis there are Arabic sources. Phil Bridger is of course 100% correct: There is nor requirement for there to be English sources. We prefer English sources when they are available, but even so we would add the most complete and most reliable sources also even if they were in another language. Wikipedical's comment is contrary to established WP:V/RS policy, and Swister/Twister should have realized that even if there are sources they personally can not use, others will be able to. We have several thousand enWP people who can read Arabic. DGG ( talk ) 20:08, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the nominator's claim that many of the sources are about an engineer with this name, that it a misunderstanding of the results of machine translation. The subject's surname translates as "engineer", but that doesn't make him an engineer any more than I am a bridge-builder. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:57, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No one has proven that there is significant coverage in Arabic sources. I have contacted WikiProject Arab World to notify them of this discussion, but no one has responded. The burden of proof rests on those who seek to keep the article, just as it does in the case of those who seek to reinsert unsourced information removed from an article as stated in Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. Neelix (talk) 23:46, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.