Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eid-e-Shuja'

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The result was keep. I discounted the sockpuppetry. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:07, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eid-e-Shuja'

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Article only contains six sources, half of which are unreliable. For example, Ask the Sheik, IslamicOccassions.com, IslamicQuest.net. The source no.1 and source no.4 does not even TALK about the festival. This is so non-notable. Also half of the passage contains other events on the day? For example, Ascension of the Mahdi, Beheading of Umar ibn Sa'ad which have nothing to do with Omar Koshan/Eid-e-Shuja'. And last but not least, the fun fact is that Omar was not even assassinated on the ninth day of the month of Rabi Al-Awwal? He was assassinated on 1st Muharram or the end of Dhul-Hijjah month. Biskut Merry (talk) 06:58, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2021 September 13. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 07:24, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is a Twelver Shia Holiday that is held on the ninth day of the month of Rabi Al-Awwal (regardless of the nominator's opinion of the veracity of this date in regards to Omar), and there are sufficient sources in English and probably many more in Persian and Arabic. "Omar Koshan" may be the more popular name, but that's a move issue.--Eostrix (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 07:27, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete. per nom. This is simply non-notable at all. There's no citation on the entire article, even claiming that this is a Twelver Shia Holiday. Mullah Balawar 22:12, 13 September 2021 (UTC) Block-evading sock, per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 02:09, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's demonstrably false, as there are citations in the article including Culture and customs of Iran published by Greenwood Press with this information. A search in google books for "Omar Koshan" shows many more.--Eostrix (^{🦉 hoot} _hoot🦉) 08:25, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I do agree with your points. I recently looked at the history view and noted that the user Quuxplusone changed the entire subject of the article. The article is about the death of Omar ibn Sa'ad, who died on the ninth day of the month of Rabi Al-Awwal, not Omar ibn al-Khattab whom Shias believe died in Dhul-Hijjah while Sunnis believe died on 1st Muharram. The version before Quuxplusone's disruptive edits can be seen here. I have reverted his edits. So this article is about the death of Omar ibn Sa'ad not Omar ibn al-Khattab. I can't find any reliable info regarding Omar ibn Sa'd's death being celebrated by Twelver Shi'as. Mullah Balawar 22:44, 13 September 2021 (UTC) Block-evading sock, per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 02:09, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy pinging Quuxplusone ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 15:19, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:38, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Definitely notable. Just look at some of the results when searching Google Scholar for "Omar Koshan": we've got not insignificant coverage in multiple reliable, independent (= scholarly) sources. We just still need to use them in the article, that's all. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 20:02, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The above applies to this revision or perhaps to this revision preferred by another editor. However, I have just completely rewritten the article on the basis of two very reliable sources (Encyclopaedia Iranica and a Brill publication), which in turn cite quite a few more sources which could be used to expand the article. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 01:16, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - appears notable from google search, albeit under Omar Koshan name. Also the fact that Omar Koshan was not actually assassinated on whatever date is irrelevant: we know jesus was almost certainly not born on December 25th, that doesn't mean we should be removing christmas from wiki! That said it would be an interesting addition if it can be sourced. John wiki: If you have a problem, don't mess with my puppy... 14:08, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.