Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Benjamin Benedict Apugo

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:00, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin Benedict Apugo

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An article about a politician that doesn't meet WP:NPOL. Endorsing politicians, and speaking on TV can make you appear on the news but the coverage may be your statements and quotes; same issue here. I want a community consensus on this. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Businesspeople, Politicians, Africa, and Nigeria. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello safari, this man here is a notable man being discussed in schools and very popular. for some reason, he has no social media presence. 70% OF the articles i cited are all on the WP:NGRA. there are far less personalities who worked under this man such as Theodore Orji , Orji Uzor Kalu and many more who have wikipedia articles. and as a young 19 year old girl studying history i ran into this mans story in a book called "Ibeku in igbo History", which i am not sure i can cite on the internet because it's an ancient cultural hard copy book.

If you want this book i can scan it to your email. the book is uploaded on scribd.com by someone and in it, this man was mentioned, but i'm not sure if i can cite that since its a Scribd upload done in 2020 or so.

Some articles i cited also spoke about him as a person and every person growing up here in eastern region of Nigeria knew BB Apugo. You can do more research yourself on this person to see i have put in the work before submitting to wiki and my goal in wiki is not bringing people with huge online presence, but working as hard as possible to include articles that are known about in real life but not spoken about on the internet with every possible info i have.

I will continue to cite more sources and keep working to make sure i include more info and I am sure other people will to by the time they see the article on him. Yinka Williams (talk) 08:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Yinka Williams see Wikipedia:Offline sources. You can 100% use offline sources, even if they are difficult to access for other editors. If you decide to use offline sources, we recommend you add identifiers (such as ISBN or WorldCat) so that other editors can more easily access those resources. Broc (talk) 10:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you ! can i Include the link to the book on scribd ? and also if i'm using the ISBN how do I ethically include the page and chapter of the book or any more details i wish to help editors with. Thanks Yinka Williams (talk) 11:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would not include the link, as it is unclear whether the content was uploaded to Scribd with the copyright owner's permission, per WP:COPYLINK. Broc (talk) 16:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just got a hold of the ISBN and cited. Thank you. Yinka Williams (talk) 15:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or Draftify: Per the creator, people familiar with Igbo history will recognize that she is correct. Therefore, I suggest either draftifying or keeping the article. Send down the rain (talk) 23:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with the thought of Igbo people knowing about such word. Although there is practically WP:SYSTEMATICBIAS during the 1980s and 1990s in Nigeria, it doesn't illustrated that a non notable person can have a Wikipedia article. I think @Yinka Williams believes that seeing people in the news automatically shows notability. Absolutely no. I don't see how Apugo meets WP:GNG—even endorsing people—an act that can be done by any politician. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 19:28, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SafariScribe thanks for the remark, Also you mentioned a word igbo people don't know about, please what word is it ?

secondly, i will respectfully tell you that he is a notable person, more notable than a few names i see here. The reason i used the news articles, some of which are dated as far back as 2007 are because those are the only articles i could find on him. Not that those are his achievements and i think you misinterpreted it. I also put up some pictures of him i could find with some of Nigeria's historical presidents and vice presidents, and an editor removed it stating that "being with notable persons does not contribute towards his notability" (and truthfully i disagree in my opinion, because there is no way this man would have ever had a seat with Presidents and Vice presidents especially in 70s, 80s and 90s if he wasn't notable, and the most interesting part is THEY visited him) also i have videos of top Canadian political representatives visiting this man in the early 2000s which i am trying to get to his parody youtube so it can be posted. Other arguments can be made, but this mans notability is not one of them. Yinka Williams (talk) 20:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can take a look at the book if you really want to verify. I mean a quick google search can pull up the book "Ibeku in Igbo History" which i cited with the pages referencing him. The news articles are a bonus and not to represent him. this man had a whole 11 pages written on him in a historical book. Yinka Williams (talk) 20:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I find a number of mentions of B.B. Apugo indicating his notability. Take for example "The strong man of Abia politics, Ochiagha Benjamin Benedict Apugo has finally broken his silence on the 2023 governorship race in Abia, by endorsing the candidate of the All Progressives Congress (APC), Chief Ikechi Emenike." [1], "The acclaimed strong man of Abia politics and member of the Board of Trustees of the party, Prince Benjamin Benedict Apugo (popularly known as B.B.) is 53 years old today. Friends and political associates would converge at his expansive estate at Nkata Ruling House in Umuahia-Ibeku, Abia State to clink the good wine glasses in festivity. The State Governor, Chief Orji Uzor Kalu and political gladiators in the State would be on hand to celebrate a political personality that has blossomed through the aeons of time. Apugo has played the godfather's role in the political evolution of the State. He has also cut a niche for himself as a peacemaker and a conciliator, bringing together opponents to dialogue and to make concessions in the interest of peace and stability of the State. He does not look for public office. Rather, he prefers to be a rallying point and political pathfinder for his people, providing, as it were, the direction to go each time they are confronted with choices." [2] "B. B. Apugo ( a member of the board of trustees ) , campaigned on the platform of reversing all the anomalies of party management introduced during the Obasanjo regime . Although he did not win , it was clear that this stand was taken seriously by Yar'Adua and many party members" [3], "other prominent party members that left were Chief Sam Mbakwe, Chief B.B. Apugo and Senator Polycaro Nwite." [4], " A prominent Chieftain of the All Progressives Congress (APC) and Member of the National Board of Trustees, Prince B.B Apugo has expressed" [5], "The crisis rocking Abia APC is getting messier by the day following accusations and counter-accusations of betrayal between the camps of two chieftains of the party in Abia," [6], "Abia State High Court, sitting in Umuahia, has adjourned till February 16 a N1.5 billion defamation suit filed by ex-Gov. Theodore Orji against a chieftain of the All Progressives Congress, APC, Prince Benjamin Apugo." [7] --Soman (talk) 01:16, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Soman thank you for doing your due diligence on the article. From experience, it takes devotion to get these sources and I'm glad you put in that work to verify the legitimacy of these paragraphs. Yinka Williams (talk) 15:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- the article is correct, I personally applaud her for taking on such an article, there are numerous offline mentions on Apugo and as an Igbo man from Anambra state myself, I heard about ochiagha ibeku growing up. People are familiar with this story. Bill onyenma (talk) 10:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes ! thank you 👍🏽 Yinka Williams (talk) 16:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - whilst there might be cleanup issues in article, again I think notability is not an issue. Looking at more wordings in national Nigerian news media (BOLD added by me), "New twist as powerful APC BoT member reveals top southeast state Peter Obi will win. Chief Ochiagha Benjamin Apugo, ..." ([8]), "ELDER statesman and founding member of Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), Prince Benjamin Apugo is a respected grassroot politician in Abia State and there is no doubt about it. He played key roles in the success of the party in Nigeria and Abia in 1999 and 2003. In 2007, his party lost his State to PPA and Apugo went into political limbo as crisis and counter- crisis tore PDP apart in the state and national level." ([9], albeit letter to editor by reader), "Apugo, who is the embattled son of an elder statesman, Chief Benjamin Apugo, said the essence of the ritual, considered very deadly in Igboland, was to make his father to accept him and accord him the full status as his first son in line with Igbo tradition. " ([10]), "Nigeria: PDP BoT Member Gives Reason for Defecting to APC" ([11]), "Apugo, BOT member of APC, popularly also called, Oparaukwu Ibeku, (First son of Ibeku) by his people and in reverence to his immense contributions to his community." ([12]), "Prince Benjamin Apugo is the Co- ordinator of the opposition All Progressives Congress ( APC) in the Southeast geopolitical zone" ([13]), "ONE of the founding fathers of Abia State and an elder statesman, Prince Benjamin Apugo," ([14]). See also interview in national newspaper like this one, as well as this piece and this interview. Have a look at this press statement from the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission, EFCC Finally Arrests APC Chieftain, Benjamin Apugo for N36m Land Scam (on a side-note, see how the word 'finally' is added by the press dept of the institution itself), there was plenty of press coverage on the affair. There is this piece issued by the Federal Ministry of Information, "A chieftain of the All Progressive Congress (APC) and elder statesman, Prince Benjamin Apugo has expressed happiness with the leadership style of Governor Alex Otti in Abia state,saying that Abia has come to stay under him. Prince Apugo was speaking in an interview with news men after a private visit to the Governor in his country home, Nvosi, IsialaNgwa South LGA. ". And so forth. Albeit the usual concerns on quality of Nigerian national news media, it is fairly evident that Apugo is a prominent personality whose actions and statement are frequently reported upon. Moreover if we had access to print media archives from 1980s and 1990s, it is very likely notability would be further reaffirmed. --Soman (talk) 09:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes ! thank you @--Soman (talk). I can verify that i also came across these articles and they are reliable. He did a lot of great things also, but i was making sure to sound neutral so i did not include. Haha ! thank you once again for researching and confirming. Yinka Williams (talk) 11:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I have analysed the sources above and they are good for me. I am keeping per WP:HEY. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 14:31, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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