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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:08, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
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Andrew Steiner, Karol Hochberg
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... that Andrej Steiner orchestrated the arrest of Jewish collaborator Karol Hochberg, despite opposition from within his resistance group?Source: Bauer, Yehuda (1994). Jews for Sale?: Nazi-Jewish Negotiations, 1933–1945. New Haven: Yale University Press. ISBN 9780300059137. p. 80
- Comment: It's appropriate to call him "Andrej Steiner" here, since that is how he is referred to in all of the sources relating to his role in Holocaust resistance, and he did not change his name to Andrew until he moved to the US.
- Reviewed: Soviet partisans in Finland, Donald Liebenberg
Created/expanded by Catrìona (talk). Self-nominated at 01:44, 7 October 2018 (UTC).
reviewed Steiner so far. Interesting life, on good sources, (mostly) Czech sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. Just in the hook, I don't think "orchestrated" is a good choice, because it made me think of a composer. Suggest "played a major role". Consider also to get the resistance group in front, for context. You are in your topic, but this a DYK mix which may have a voice actress before and a bird afterwards. - How do you feel about an infobox? - I may do the other review eventually. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Review still needed of the Karol Hochberg article. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:27, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
- Now reviewed the other also. Solid article, on good sources, accepting the many offline sources AGF, no copyvio obvious. Suggestion: You use an abbreviation which was not introduced (ÚŽ), and one that wasn't given fully (YIVO). Can you perhaps add in the lead where this takes place? For the same reason, I'd not pipe the resistance group in the hook. There are some refs (for one fact) not in ascending order. Infobox? - Waiting for a reworded hook, Catrìona. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:55, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for reviewing, Gerda. I added an infobox to the Steiner article, but I unfortunately don't have enough biographical information on Hochberg to justify an infobox. Nor do I have an image of him. I don't think it would be helpful to include "Bratislava Working Group" in the hook, because a) most people wouldn't know what it is, and b) its purpose is not obvious from the name. Catrìona (talk) 17:35, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for the changes and explaining. How is this?
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... that despite opposition from within his resistance group, Andrej Steiner played a major role in the arrest of Jewish collaborator Karol Hochberg?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:40, 29 October 2018 (UTC)- I don't object to ALT1, although it is slightly more wordy. According to Merriam Webster[1] and other dictionaries, the word "orchestrate" also means "to arrange or combine so as to achieve a desired or maximum effect" which is what Steiner did, and as a native English speaker my subjective feeling is that this is not an infrequent use, but I agree that it's important to be accessible. Catrìona (talk) 17:45, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
- I hope I understand. Let's do this, I make two ALTs, approve both and leave it to the prep builder. Prepared by "resistance group", no misunderstanding should occur, but I remember reading the first hook the first time, thinking we talk music ;)
- ALT2: ... that Andrej Steiner played a major role in the arrest of Jewish collaborator Karol Hochberg, despite opposition from within his resistance group?
- ALT3: ... that despite opposition from within his resistance group, Andrej Steiner orchestrated the arrest of Jewish collaborator Karol Hochberg?
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:01, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
- I don't object to ALT1, although it is slightly more wordy. According to Merriam Webster[1] and other dictionaries, the word "orchestrate" also means "to arrange or combine so as to achieve a desired or maximum effect" which is what Steiner did, and as a native English speaker my subjective feeling is that this is not an infrequent use, but I agree that it's important to be accessible. Catrìona (talk) 17:45, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for reviewing, Gerda. I added an infobox to the Steiner article, but I unfortunately don't have enough biographical information on Hochberg to justify an infobox. Nor do I have an image of him. I don't think it would be helpful to include "Bratislava Working Group" in the hook, because a) most people wouldn't know what it is, and b) its purpose is not obvious from the name. Catrìona (talk) 17:35, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
- Now reviewed the other also. Solid article, on good sources, accepting the many offline sources AGF, no copyvio obvious. Suggestion: You use an abbreviation which was not introduced (ÚŽ), and one that wasn't given fully (YIVO). Can you perhaps add in the lead where this takes place? For the same reason, I'd not pipe the resistance group in the hook. There are some refs (for one fact) not in ascending order. Infobox? - Waiting for a reworded hook, Catrìona. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:55, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
