Talk:Spider-Man (2017 TV series)

Name

I think this may have got caught in the trap of going along with how the logo (is there one? I'm just viewing what's on Wikipedia) and how it's being described. But since this is done with virtually every Marvel show and movie, yet we're still just going simply by the title, itself, we should do the same here. This should just be called "Spider-Man (2017 TV series)". -- Anythingspossibleforapossible (talk) 01:35, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Could we please lock this page down until the show premieres and we actually know who voices who? 73.6.118.26 (talk) 23:34, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Name of first short

So, we're calling the first short "Introduction!", yet with no on-screen title, how is this known? -- Anythingspossibleforapossible (talk) 15:38, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 14 September 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. There is consensus to move the page per the discussion below. (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 18:35, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

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Marvel's Spider-Man (TV series) → Spider-Man (2017 TV series) – This page was moved today from this name with the rational that the Futon Critic lists the show this way ("As identified by sources like Futon Critic"). This is not a WP criteria for naming. First WP:COMMONNAME, as most will drop this marketing label and would not enter "Marvel's" in search for this show. Dropping Marvel meets the naming WP:CRITERIA of Naturalness, Conciseness, Consistency. Naturalness in that Marvel is an over all brand as you are not obligated to state a product's company or product label (Hasbro Transformers). Conciseness as Spider-Man is Marvel's trademark, who else has a Spider-Man? Thus no need to add the second brand. Consistency in that Agents_of_S.H.I.E.L.D. is not titled Marvel's Agent of SHIELD and The Avengers (2012 film) vs. Marvel's The Avengers. Spshu (talk) 13:03, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

• Reluctant support. This is another case where our titling policy (basically WP:TITLETM) is frankly nonsensical and unhelpful... But, yeah, Wikipedia insists on Cloak & Dagger (TV series), despite the fact that the show is widely called "Marvel's Cloak & Dagger" by secondary sources, and this TV show is exactly the same scenario... And, at this point, I'll just once again speak up that I strongly dislike our titling policy on this front. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:25, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support, per brevity and nom. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:21, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support per nom. —Joeyconnick (talk) 18:21, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose Official name. Other shows have more specific/less common names than just the name of a character. Matt14451 (talk) 19:00, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose Common name is irrelevant as that can be used as a redirect. Title of page should be official name plus bracket if necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.241.132 (talk) 16:02, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Marvel shows doesn't need a Marvel name for the show's title. Also includes List of Marvel's Spider-Man (TV series) episodes as well. — Landingdude13 (talk) 00:50, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support per nom. — 24.143.241.27 (talk) 00:56, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

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Has this show been cancelled?

I thought I read something about a lot of Marvel cartoon writers getting fired. -- Meteor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.16.124.119 (talk) 22:55, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Not really, no. It's ending after it's Maximum Venom finale today. :) PizzaTime04 (talk) 02:48, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Family Business

Among the new episodes of Season 3, there should be one focusing on Peter solving deep secrets about his family's past and expose the truth about how his parents really died. And one the middle of this quest, we may have Peter encountering another long lost, but very close relative of his... Iago PUC (talk) 08:36, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Lists

Please read Help:List. Someone editing this article doesn't understand how lists work. I've fixed this once already[1] but someone changed it back for no apparent reason.

If you include a line break after a list item then a whole new list is started. As a result this article contains many lists with only a single item in each list.

I like clear layout, I like spacing, I like punctuation, but this is a very big and fundamental misunderstanding of how Wiki list markup is supposed to work. See Help:List. -- 109.79.169.83 (talk) 10:03, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Fixed lists again.[2] -- 109.79.169.83 (talk) 10:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

These lists are probably also using way too much BOLD. See MOS:BOLD. -- 109.79.169.83 (talk) 10:24, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

continuity

Is it really necessary to have a section on the continuity between the this and the other recent Marcel cartoon shows? Especially with it starting a pointless edit war. Pissedgreenlink (talk) 07:51, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

It looks a lot like original research but I don't want to get involved either, even if I am tempted to tag it as needing {{more sources}} -- 109.79.176.62 (talk) 11:36, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

No, I don't think it is necessary, it should be removed. Aaa11769 (talk) 11:44, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Content dispute

@NoobMaster01 and Aaa11769: I don't really know what you two are edit warring over, but you should use the talk page (i.e. this page) to discuss, not edit summaries. If nothing works out, see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests. Please try to work out your disagreement here. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 11:33, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Guardians of the Galaxy

Okay, Guardians of the Galaxy seemed to have been set in the same universe as Ultimate Spider-Man, at least this implies that [3], however, executive producer Cort Lane later stated while discussing the third season of Marvel's Spider-Man, "The most epic conflict in the history of Marvel Animation. We planted the seeds in two seasons of Marvel's Spider-Man and three seasons of Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy, but you don't need to have watched them to be blown away by this colossal confrontation." [4].

Not only that, but there are way too many continuity errors between Guardians, Ultimate Spider-Man and Avengers Assemble.

Such as: The Symbiotes being aliens in GotG, while they were created from Spider-Man's DNA by Doc Ock in Ultimate.

In GotG, The Avengers had no idea who Thanos was despite them being in their updated Ultron Revolution designs, and Ant-Man was part of the team, who didn't join the Avengers until mid-season two of Assemble, after they already met and fought Thanos. They also didn't know the Guardians, even though they met during Assemble season 1, again before Ant-Man, as well as Captain Marvel, even joined The Avengers, and before The Avengers got their updated looks.

The second season of GotG featured Nova's origin, which takes place after all of this, he was already a hero by the time of Assemble's second season due to Ultimate Spider-Man, he was even mentioned and made a cameo in an episode of Assemble before Ant-Man joined.

Overall though, I honestly don't think there should be a continuity section. Aaa11769 (talk) 11:37, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

The first two seasons of Guardians of the Galaxy happens before Ultimate Spider-Man, Avengers Assemble (Season 1-4) and Hulk and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H. The symbiotes are not aliens in the first two seasons of GOTG. They were created by Thanos from other beings just like Doc Ock from Spider-Man's DNA While in Marvel's Spider-Man they were created by Knull.

In GOTG Season 2, The Avengers met the Guardians for the first time and it happens before they met in AA Season 1 that's why they don't know who Thanos is and the costumes are not truly canon since the Avengers wore their costumes from Avengers Assemble season 1 in Ultimate Spider-Man finale despite being happens in the same time as Avengers: Ultron Revolution so their costumes in GOTG Season 2 doesn't matter and Ant-Man and Captain Marvel were not the member of Avengers at that time in GOTG Season 2.

Again, The first two seasons of GOTG is happening before Ultimate Spider-Man that's why they featured Nova's origin.

And the third season of Guardians of the Galaxy also known as Guardians of the Galaxy: Mission Breakout! retconned many things that happened in the first two seasons of GOTG like Avengers: Black Panther's Quest did with the first four seasons of Avengers Assemble. The personality of Bruce Banner and Tony Stark was changed to how they does in Marvel's Spider-Man while in the first two seasons their personality was the same as Avengers Assemble and Bruce Banner only changes to Hulk when he gets angry in season 3 which is how he does in Marvel's Spider-Man but in the first two seasons he always stays as Hulk. Tony Stark wears Mark 50 armor in Season 2 if all seasons are in the same continuity then it then Season 2 happens before Marvel's Spider-Man Season 1 but Tony uses the Mark 50 for the first time in Marvel's Spider-Man season 1 and it's design is also different than the one in GOTG Season 2. Mission Breakout! retconned many things like this.

Marvel's Spider-Man also retconned many things that happened in the first two seasons of GOTG. The symbiotes in MSM are created by Knull while in GOTG they're created by Thanos and also the symbiote planet was destroyed but in Marvel's Spider-Man the symbiote planet was not destroyed and all symbiotes were alive.

In Conclusion,only Guardians of the Galaxy: Mission Breakout! and Avengers: Black Panther's Quest are happening in the same continuity as Marvel's Spider-Man. NoobMaster01 (talk) 14:25, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't think there should be a "continuity" section - it's currently restating the same content as the "crossover" section, but throws in unrelated claims about other shows. Argento Surfer (talk) 18:09, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

@NoobMaster01 No, Ant-Man and Captain Marvel were Avengers, when was it said that their not. And Nova is a problem since he had his black helmet, which he didn't get until season 3 of Ultimate Spider-Man after unlocking it's true potential, and please don't try to say it went from black to gold then to black again, because that was never stated. And The Avengers costumes aren't canon? That was also never stated. You were saying that my edits were my theories, but you are using theories to draw conclusions on the continuity errors.

Cort Lane confirmed that three seasons of GotG have an effect on Maximum Venom, if they weren't in continuity, there would be no reason for him to even mentioned three seasons. The Road to Maximum Venom recap video that Marvel put on their Marvel HQ YouTube channel also covers events from the previous seasons of Guardians, to show events involving the Symbiotes in that universe. And please don't say "it's just a recap video" like it doesn't matter, it does, it was released by Marvel to bring the audience up to date on what occurred in that universe.

But again, I think the continuity section should be removed. Aaa11769 (talk) 19:09, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Again, Did mentioned Ant-Man and Captain Marvel were official member of the Avengers? No. And they've worked with Avengers Many times without being a member of the team and it's the same with Nova. Did they ever mentioned that they got their costumes in Avengers: Ultron Revolution only? No. And the costumes are still not canon due to Ultimate Spider-Man Vs The Sinister Six happens at the same time as Avengers: Ultron REvolution but the Avengers still wears their season one costumes in Ultimate Spider-Man Vs The Sinister Six.

Again, there was no mention of continuity in that article. The Road to Maximum Venom recap has many continuity errors itself and it's just a recap video and it's not canon to the series. And you're ignoring the continuity mistakes that Marvel's Spider-Man has with the first two seasons of GOTG.

In conclusion,only Guardians of the Galaxy: Mission Breakout! and Avengers: Black Panther's Quest are happening in the same continuity as Marvel's Spider-Man. NoobMaster01 (talk) 11:27, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanos was not the creator of the Symbiotes in GotG, he captured them and subjected them to experiments, which turned them into feral Symbiotes, their alien origins in GotG remains intact.

Was it ever stated that Ultron Revolution happens at the same time as Ultimate Spider-Man vs. The Sinister 6? No, it is more likely that it is set after due to Hydra being a fraction of what it was, which was seemingly due to Spider-Man defeating them in Ultimate.

And it was never said or stated that that Ant-Man and Captain Marvel weren't members. Also Avengers Assemble season 1 establishes that Avengers Mansion was their original HQ, yet GotG had them at Avengers Compound, which didn't show up until season 3 of Assemble. And when was it said that Iron Man was wearing the mark 50? In Assemble the Mark 49 and 50 where identical, so that doesn't hold much weight.

Everything your saying about the costumes is a theory. It was never stated that the costumes are not canon, why didn't they just use the early suits if that was the case?. Again, Nova did not receive his black helmet until season 3, it had an origin. It was never stated that his helmet color in GotG wasn't canon.

Also, when was in said in GotG how Banner turns to Hulk, just because the first two don't show it, doesn't mean that the third is incorrect. And Iron Man and Hulk's personalities are the same in season 3.

As for the article and The Road to Maximum Venom I refer to my previous statement.

And yes, there are continuity mistakes, but there is honestly much more with the previous shows.

It seems I'm gonna have to agree to disagree. It has been months and we are not getting anywhere with this. I really don't feel like continuing this. I'm not going to edit the page any further, I'm going to leave it alone.

I'm sorry if I came off rude in anyway at all, that was not my intention. Take care and Happy Holidays. Aaa11769 (talk) 06:19, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanos turned them into symbiotes which means he's the creator but in Marvel's Spider-Man Knull was the creator of symbiotes.

And it's also never stated that Captain Marvel and Ant-Man were members. Just because Avengers Compound didn't showed up in first two seasons doesn't mean it didn't exist at that time and it was never stated that Avengers Compound were built in Ultron Revolution.

The reason why they used the never suits was when GOTG was in production Avengers: Ultron Revolution was in production too that's why they used the newer suits including Nova and Marvel/Disney always wants to use the newer suits.

In Season 3, Bruce Banner mentions that he can only became Hulk when he gets angry which is how he does in Marvel's Spider-Man but in the first two seasons Bruce Banner always stays as hulk and Iron man and Hulk personalities do differ from their appearances in the first two seasons of GOTG.

The Road to Maximum Venom has many continuity errors.

Honestly there are continuity errors in both shows but it was more in the new shows which can't be fixed and many continuity errors can be fixed with the previous shows.

I'm still in my stand with only Guardians of the Galaxy: Mission Breakout!, Avengers: Black Panther's Quest and Marvel's Spider-Man are in the same universe.

Same, I'm sorry if I came off rude in anyway at all, that was not my intention too. It's not a problem between you and me it's just between our stands only. I hope you're doing well with your real life and Happy Holidays too.NoobMaster01 (talk) 08:16, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Same to you, take care. Aaa11769 (talk) 09:20, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Continuity section

I honestly don't think this should be here, it has only caused problems. Anyone else in agreement? Aaa11769 (talk) 19:16, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I suggest you ask for a neutral outside WP:3RD opinion. I'm not touching this with a barge-pole. -- 109.79.169.110 (talk) 14:41, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Agreed that including this section is inappropriate, as it is using "sourcing" in support that doesn't say what is being claimed (i.e. WP:SYNTH). But multiple editors have come out against the inclusion of this section, and the editor supporting it is trying to use edit warring to get their way, which is a no-no. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:44, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Add me as another editor who doesn't support including this. Amaury • 17:32, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Ending source

Where is the official source saying that this show is over? Because I looked at the Futon site and it doesn't say anything about the show ending. Lonniemitchell22 (talk) 18:28, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

References

The end date of the show

Amaury, please just explain to me why you keep removing the end date of the show.

You need to provide a reliable source to show that the show actually has ended. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 20:01, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source showing that the show got renewed for season 4? That’s what I thought.

You know I distinctly remember people agreed to waiting a year after last episode to confirm it was cancelled unless one was made sooner last time this issue came up.2601:204:DB00:41B0:E932:52C5:8636:9820 (talk) 23:04, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Did someone on this site dox me since my IP address is public?

Note on cancellation

Just so you know, I have gone and added a hidden note regarding the cancellation of the series especially with the recent disruptive edits between users and multiple IPs. Should hopefully settle things down. TheRavineStudios (talk) 07:10, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

New Zealand co-production

The New Zealand Film Commission was involved in the production of this series, according to the credits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18D:4700:2D30:3997:784E:C4BA:6FEB (talk) 22:09, 15 November 2022 (UTC)