Talk:Soccer in Los Angeles

YEAR BY YEAR RECORDS

Either the creator of this article has taken an invitational friendly competition and mistakenly believed it to be the World club championship or this article has been vandalised. The Los Angeles representative side is listed as having participated in a world club cup and indeed as having won it in 1955. I can assure all readers that no team from outside of Europe and South America ever participated in any form of FIFA sanctioned world club cup prior to 2000 and that to date no American team has ever been world champions. The world club champions started in the early 1960s as an unofficial two legged tie between the European and South American champions before it became the Toyota cup and was switched to single match in Tokyo, usually played in December each year. It was not declared official until 2000 when teams from the other regions were invited. I have edited the article to correct this, and errors relating to Los Angeles' participation in the regional championship.

Since correcting the page with factual statistics taken from the Soccer statistical archive {RSSSF} someone reverted the page back to the fiction that was present previously. I will fix the text again with proper references but it will take a while. In the meantime, please trust me that this is not vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.101.22.20 (talk) 20:21, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

the graph on here still isn't accurate nor is it understandable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EricPZ (talk • contribs) 12:02, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

AEG was not the original owner of the Los Angeles Galaxy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JSparks20 (talk • contribs) 23:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

all LA teams the same?

I don't know that much about LA soccer, but I'm pretty sure the Wolves, Aztecs, Skyhawks, and Galaxy are not the same team, yet this seems to be what this page is implying. Can anyone clarify? --TorriTorri(^talk/_contribs) 21:34, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Fixes

I have fixed the worst of the article. The LA Galaxy and the LA Azetcs now have separate tables. The page is still in pretty bad shape, though, and the information has not been updated since 2007. Barryjjoyce (talk) 16:05, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm doing research on the history of pro soccer in L.A. for an article I'm writing, and I would recommend killing this piece and starting over. There are factual inaccuracies throughout. Fall River Marksmen had nothing to do with the L.A. Kickers (formed in the German community in 1950) nor the L.A. Wolves (Jack Kent Cooke led a group to form the USA, they imported teams from Europe and South America for the first season, Wolverhampton represented Los Angeles, and a new Wolves team was put together the following year after the USA's merger with the NPSL formed the NASL), and the restaurant owner that supposedly owned the Skyhawks (that might be true) had nothing to do with the LA Salsa, who were formed by Montebello ophthalmologist William De La Pena.

This is mostly fiction here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:6000:FFC0:35:1836:F568:86D2:A91D (talk) 17:31, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I have taken a look at the page and made some substantial edits. I removed two of the tables that were nonsensical (I have userfied them if someone wants to make sense of them) and have deleted most of the unsourced information. I have further separated the teams that have existed, and currently only the top-flight teams are here. I intend to take make many more changes to the article, including sourcing, and using the History of professional soccer in Seattle as an example. This definitely seems like a page that is worth maintaining and improving, and I would appreciate any help to do so. Jay eyem (talk) 22:30, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Title of the article

Given that the content that this page has been recently moved to the page Soccer in Los Angeles, I think the issue of the title is worth discussing here. If the page Soccer in Los Angeles included significant modern and amateur history of the sport, with citations, I would be on board with the move. However, since the other article was primarily the exact same content and made little mention of the game outside of its professional teams, there really is no reason to use Soccer in Los Angeles. Plus the current title (History of professional soccer in Los Angeles) is more consistent with the naming convention of articles seen at Category:History of soccer in the United States, and History of soccer in Los Angeles would be the preferable move. Jay eyem (talk) 13:47, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

I agree to move to Soccer in Los Angeles. Under current article - History of professional soccer in Los Angeles, We have to write only about professional soccer in LA. This title is disturbing the extension of article. If we have to investigate, LA had significant modern and amateur history of the soccer. Also, In Wikipedia, Similiar artilces are belows, Soccer in New York City, Football in London, Football in Berlin. There aren't articles which focus on only professional soccer in the city or region except american city's soccer article - History of professional soccer in Los Angeles, History of professional soccer in Houston, History of professional soccer in Seattle. Why does american city socceer aricled focus on professional soccer? American cities had soccer tradition before introduction of professional soccer. Soccer in Los Angeles can absorb History of professional soccer in Los Angeles, But reverse is can't.. Finally, Soccer in Los Angeles is suitable title for Wikipedia.

Footwiks (talk) 04:07, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

This will require for there to be substantial prose about the history of the amateur game in Los Angeles, which there wasn't before. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot that this article needs to fix before it becomes anything other than a stub. Seeing the Football in London example was helpful, I think that's something that's more worth striving towards. I do think some of the old notices should be included on the new article, since it will essentially be the same article as is but with a new title.

Part of why this is an issue is because this page existed before the other and this page should have just been moved instead of the other page being started. It loses track of some of the work that was done in the past under this particular title. What I'm ultimately thinking is temporarily restoring the other article, copying and pasting it into this one, and THEN moving the article. That would by and large keep everything intact. Jay eyem (talk) 04:33, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

If you don't know what I'm talking about, see Wikipedia:Requested moves. Jay eyem (talk) 04:41, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

If give the time. We can make this article like Football in London, But what did you do? I created Soccer in Los Angeles, But Only one week later, You redirect this article to History of professional soccer in Los Angeles. You don't want to extend about LA soccer. You want to only focus on professional soccer in LA. Do you really think that LA Soccer had only professional tradition. Please don't take away oppotunity to extend. Anyway, Let's hear another person's opinionFootwiks (talk)

I'm having trouble understanding what you're saying, and you're not understanding what I am saying. You need to keep edit histories intact. That means you need to MOVE the article rather than create a completely separate article, especially when that new article is virtually the same as this own article. I have already requested a technical move from an admin. Read Wikipedia:Requested moves. I think you might also benefit from reading Wikipedia:Assume good faith. Jay eyem (talk) 05:11, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

I move to give a more inclusive view of soccer in Los Angeles, given that the topic is broad, and without being subjective, it is clear that there is much more soccer activity in the Los Angeles region beyond the current professional MLS franchises. And in terms of history, there were, for instance, a number of important missing clubs when mentioning the area's history, including the LA Kickers, Orange County Soccer Club, Maccabi Los Angeles and more. I've added sources mentioning historic clubs, thus satisfying the requests to add more and varied sources. Further, nowadays there is much, much prose on the amateur game found in numerous sources, evidently more than ever before. Take for an example the work that TheCup.US does, them and others.Santaniego (talk) 22:08, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Agreed, the main reason I originally redirected the content was because it was the same information basically ripped right from the original page and made to look slightly different. Also the whole page moving thing was an issue, but it's fixed now so we should be good. Jay eyem (talk) 00:04, 18 April 2018 (UTC)