Talk:Singla

Source needed for "Jatt caste" claim.

I tried to find sources for the claim that Singla is a Jatt caste, but found no support. Please don't restore the page without showing some evidence. --Slashme (talk) 19:51, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

RFC: Is Singla a Jatt caste?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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An anon editor who seems to have a dynamic IP keeps changing this article to say that Singla is a Punjabi/Sikh caste, but I can't find any support for this claim. I don't know much about the topic, though, so I'd like some input from others to understand whether this redirect is appropriate. --Slashme (talk) 07:40, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Singla are a caste from Punjabi-Sikh origin and Singla are found predominantly in the Punjab region of Indian-Subcontinent. Also, no historical evidences as well as no folklorists' support is found that Singla are synonymous to or belong to the Hindu-Agarwal caste group - Singhal. So, I claim, this redirect is not proper and should be suspended. Article Singla can continue to exist as independently and as a stub for now until a substantial historical claim for the redirect is found. 120.56.162.8 (talk) 14:02, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Could you please provide citations to reliable sources which support those statements? --Slashme (talk) 18:35, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

What is it? What citations you need? Do you have any citations to support your redirect claim? In plain words, remove the redirect if you don't have evidence to support it.NeilN

--223.176.178.81 (talk) 02:46, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Stop pinging me for this please. I'm not going to unprotect the page or change anything while this RFC is open. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:52, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Dear Slashme, Please close this RFC as there has been no evidence provided for the validity of redirect of Singla to Singhal. This page can continue to exist on it's own as a stub till it is built up with valid references. Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Events/Punjab Edit-a-thon, NeilN, Slashme... ANY CONFUSION? NO? GOOD. -- 223.176.179.46 (talk) 08:11, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Editor warned about discretionary sanctions. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 10:48, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

At the moment, this page redirects users to a related topic with a similar spelling. This is not an assertion that needs a citation. It might well be true that Singla is a Punjabi-Sikh caste, but you need to supply evidence: surely this fact will be verifiable somehow. I've tried to find evidence at Google Books, and found nothing, so I need help from someone who knows more about the topic than I do, and that's the purpose of this RFC. I don't know you, so I can't just take your word for it. This is why we need references. --Slashme (talk) 11:25, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

By the way, thank you for linking to the Punjab Edit-a-thon - I've asked for some help at the talk page there. Hopefully someone will be able to clear this up now! --Slashme (talk) 11:39, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

No, to the best of my knowledge, "Singla" is not a Jatt caste. I find it only as one of two spellings of the name of a gotra (patriline) among the Agarwal community of northern India; the other spelling is "Singhal". And the only reference in English that I can find to support this meaning is a web page of the Agarwal community. yoyo (talk) 16:28, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, to the best of my knowledge, "Singla" is a Jatt caste with alternate spelling as "Singala". I have found reference on actively edited Jat wiki page [www.jatland.com/w/index.php?title=Singla Jat community]. Also, the supported reference provided above by yoyo is of a individually managed webpage and is not a community webpage. Hence it can not be used as a reference. -- 120.59.169.232 (talk) 14:20, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

A community-edited webpage is also not considered a reliable source. However, one of the references at the Jatt community website that you linked is a transcription of a book which does claim that Singla / Singala is the name of a Jatt tribe. It doesn't use the word caste, though. I'm not sure what the distinction is in this context. The other sources on that page seem to be wiki pages. --Slashme (talk) 19:06, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

What dose you want Slashme and NeilN ?

-- 120.59.170.199 (talk) 06:56, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Ya, right! It is a clan in the Jatt caste. Also, about the sole reference provided by one user above, is an individual managed webpage and they don't have any sub-reference as well. I think it is safe to provide this topic a separate article to avoid further confusion or conflict. And in any rare case of any counter view we can always reopen this RFC.

-- 120.59.169.9 (talk) 15:31, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

I think this topic needs more opinions before we have clarity, so I have now posted on a few talk pages of related articles, asking for input here. Let's see whether that helps. --Slashme (talk) 07:01, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Singla is definitely an alternative spelling of Singhal, which is a gotra (clan) among Agrawals. It is also the name of a gotra among Jats. But it is not notable enough to deserve a separate article: there are hardly any reliable sources that mention it in a non-trivial manner (Jatland.com is a terrible source full of eccentric pseduo-historical theories aimed at glorifying Jats; most of the books listed on that site also fall in the same category). I suggest turning this page into a disambiguation page with links to Arun Singla, Sarup Chand Singla, and Vijay Inder Singla; with a link to Singhal in See Also section. utcursch | talk 11:44, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Utcursch. I'd be quite happy with your suggestion. --Slashme (talk) 09:45, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

I am also ok with suggestion by Utcursch. Please turn it into a disambiguation page NeilN.

Thanks and Regards.

--223.176.188.102 (talk) 14:52, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

We seem to have achieved consensus: thank you all! I've removed the RFC tag. --Slashme (talk) 06:59, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

WHY REDIRECT?

This page can not be made protected without proper evidence for a valid redirect. Else delete this page if nobody has a proper claim. If you want to follow unethical practices then I don't have anything to say. You guys can take leverage from ambiguous redirects without any evidence. Period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.176.184.25 (talk) 07:37, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for taking part in a discussion about the topic instead of just reverting other editors. As soon as you provide evidence to support your position, we will gladly include this in the article! --Slashme (talk) 18:37, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

The editor behind this IP has been blocked for two weeks under discretionary sanctions. Any block evasion may be freely reverted. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:36, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Singla (disambiguation)

Should this be a Singla (disambiguation) page instead, since it is only a list? I was looking to add La Singla and Antoñita Singla. Jooojay (talk) 08:47, 3 February 2018 (UTC)