Talk:October 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran

Location of Strikes by Israeli Air Force

Alleged targets of Israeli strikes in Iran included: Qadiri Barracks in Hasan Khan Castle, Missile Manufacturing and Preparation Center, Falaq Barracks in Bideghan, Sepah Air Force Logistics Center, Imam Ali Barracks in Bideghan. Source: https://iran.liveuamap.com/en/2024/25-october-23-alleged-targets-of-israeli-strikes-in-iran Kiannmehr443 (talk) 23:52, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

There were also reportedly strikes in the area around Zanjan, Western Azerbaijan, Kermanshah, Shiraz, and Karaj. The only ones that there are videos of are Karaj and Zanjan Kiannmehr443 (talk) 01:10, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Page move

Hey @Personisinsterest, @Brandon Downes, and @Noble Attempt,

I moved the page 2024 Israeli strikes on Tehran to here, a consistent title with April 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran.

HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 23:52, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Not to be confused with

@HadesTTWI feel like October 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel makes more sense here? Brandon Downes (talk) 00:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I actually agree with you, to be honest I chose this title just to make it consistent with April 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran. You should move it to "against" if you want but it would make it inconsistent with the other title. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 00:19, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@HadesTTW To be honest I was not really on about that but that discussion may have to take place. What I was talking about was what should be linked in the "not to be confused with" template at the top of the page. I feel like October 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel is more likley to cause confusion than April 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran? Brandon Downes (talk) 00:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, they might as well all be linked to each other, these four articles all have very similar names. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 00:44, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion, though I haven't been editing too much on wikipedia, I think it would be best if these were all merged into one singular article, such as 2024 Israeli Strikes in Iran. Kiannmehr443 (talk) 01:11, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Some pictures that have been released:

A image we could use on this, one of the IDF commanders and the general airforce commander commanding this attack: File:October25israelattack.jpg Jjbomb (talk) 00:37, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

We could use it for now, but it doesn't really portray anything particularly informative to readers, so I'd be more inclined to wait until we have images of the missiles hitting targets in Iran or the damage in the attack's aftermath. Nythar (💬-🍀) 01:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

There's literally no photos or anything of this attack, the one in tehran is old, currently Jjbomb (talk) 01:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Operation code name: ״ימי תשובה״

According to IDF twitter account, the operation's code name is ״ימי תשובה״

Source: https://x.com/idfonline/status/1850011271367712770 (IDF Hebrew account) Redbeansoup (talk) 03:10, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Which translates to "Days of Repentance" Foetaldiner (talk) 05:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Main Page ITN

Could this be a headline on the Main Page ITN? Foetaldiner (talk) 05:16, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

4 officers killed

Local sources like Tabnak news agency report that 4 fighters of Islamic Republic of Iran Air Defense Force are killed, not IRGC. -- Iri1388 (talk) 14:06, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

air defense branch of Artesh not IRGC -- Iri1388 (talk) 14:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Highlighting blatant (and ironic) NPOV violation and inconsistency between this article and Iran’s attack article

In the October 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel, the article writes (definitely not in the lead) about the israeli military censorship following the attack:

In some cases, the IDF censor barred Israeli media from publishing the exact locations of missile impacts and the extent of the damage.

while in this article, the article is writing (within the lead) about the Iranian military censorship:

Iran quickly aimed to downplay the attacks, providing minimal coverage and threatened to hand out prison sentences to civilians who shared evidence of the strikes to "hostile" media. This was possibly done to "save face" and prevent further escalation. Stephan rostie (talk) 16:04, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree. This is very blatant bias Genabab (talk) 20:05, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

This part seems to be supported by major RS, so disagree Galamore (talk) 20:30, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Well considering that the cited news source is itself politically biased, whats the point ? It is equivalent to Citing almayadeen regarding israel’s attack, it is just the opposite extreme. Does that mean we on wikipedia should follow the same blatantly biased language and inconsistency ? WP:NPOV ?

I also recall coming across a policy called “rights correct wrong” or “right greats wrong” that has something to do with it, if someone knows it please send. Stephan rostie (talk) 21:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

This?. Also, can you point out any contradiction in the two quotes you gave? — hako9 (talk) 22:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

And why not use just use WP:RSP wherever possible. Then we don't have to debate about a source being biased. — hako9 (talk) 22:06, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

NPOV isn't about whether sources are reliable. Bitspectator ⛩️ 00:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

agreed Mason7512 (talk) 18:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Addressing evidence appearing to show large number of interceptions

So I'm sure many of us have seen videos of what seems to be Iran's air defenses intercepting many Israeli munitions along with other videos mocking the seemingly ineffective attacks. Of course I know twitter/X can't be used as a source but Iranian media like PressTV mention it here: https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/10/26/735983/%E2%80%98Defense-activity%E2%80%99-caused-loud-sounds-heard-in-Tehran I think it could be included in the strikes section and certainly in the Iran reaction section. 2001:56A:F9BF:CF00:112E:4E09:51E8:BD7 (talk) 00:44, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

The more reason we can’t use it per WP:PRESSTV. Borgenland (talk) 01:43, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Aljazeera used those videos too. Aljazeera is reviewed as GENERALLY RELIABLE on the Perennial sources page, and even a 2024 RFC is showing that Aljazeera is generally reliable for Israel-Palestine topics. Viral weirdo (talk) 10:30, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Ah understood, I have found other sources that are on that approved list like this one from CNN that adds that the footage shows interceptions so it could be included in the strikes section with the Al Jazeera video stating air defense is active: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/26/world/video/missiles-strike-tehran-iran-israel-retaliation-idf-digvid

This one from BBC goes over strike locations from western sources and Iranian claims that interceptions occurred but limited damage was sustained. It also contradicts another source here from Axios that Israel warned Iran beforehand and says a PM spokesperson denied any warnings: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgr0yvrx4qpo

And two more about the Iranian reaction praising their air defense and how the strikes had little apparent effect on civilian life: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/26/iran-mocks-israel-attacks-weak-hardliners-reprisal; https://www.ynetnews.com/article/skgsc2yljx 2001:56A:F9BF:CF00:408A:C3AF:DF72:33F4 (talk) 18:36, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Contradictory statement in the lede

In the lede of the article, it says "Israel informed Iran a few hours ahead of the attack what would be targeted, and warned Iran against responding." However, according to the Jerusalem Post, "The Israeli military carried out preliminary strikes on radars in Syria in order to 'blind' Iranian air defenses."[1] Crampcomes (talk) 21:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to add to this with a source I suggested for another section from BBC contradicting the claim of Israel informing Iran beforehand: "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office denied a report by US outlet Axios that prior to the attacks, Israel sent Iran a message revealing certain details about the strikes, and warning Tehran not to respond."[2]. It's worth noting that Axios appears to have a pro-Israel slant (although I am not too familiar with it). 2001:56A:F9BF:CF00:1057:8CF7:760E:F618 (talk) 06:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

None of the sources refer to F-35. Mentions should be grounded or removed.

the three (Including the embed card imaged) places in the article that mention F-35 use ref number 18 - https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-strikes-lebanon-gaza-war-10-27-24#cm2rpp3it00053b6mskybhun8 this source DOES NOT mention F-35 anywhere.

Since when does this prestigious institution publish inuendo and hyperbole, when plenty of ground-truth sources exist? Refael Ackermann (talk) 22:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Khameini Hebrew X (Twitter) has been reactivated

Please change the Reactions section to reflect this.

jpost.com/breaking-news/article-827259 208.98.222.101 (talk) 03:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Independent verification for the S-300 claims

Is there any independent verification by RS for the claims that all of Iran's air defenses including all of its s-300 have been destroyed? Otherwise this should not be given the prominent weight it is being given in the lead.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 02:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Israeli retaliation leak into this article

A leak of two documents, though important, feels unworthy of a standalone article. Suggest a trim to encyclopedia-level content, and merge to here or another appropriate article. -- 18:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC) AtomCrusher 18:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)