Talk:Muhammad Ali Jinnah

Urdu name

Shouldn't the Urdu name be removed considering the article literally says Jinnah didn't speak Urdu? He is mentioned in many Urdu sources but that's not a reason to add the Urdu name. ― Ö S M A N  (talk · contribs) 10:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

@EmperorÖsmanIXXVMD: I believe it is guided by the policies relevant / taken at WT:PAK, and not the subject's personal choices. Since Urdu is the national language and lingua-franca of Pakistan, it should stay or that's probably the reason why it is there. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

There's no such guideline here, nor in WP:MOSPAK. ― Ö S M A N  (talk · contribs) 15:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

@EmperorÖsmanIXXVMD: Then you should discuss the matter in those projects. As a general rule of thumb, I've seen names in Urdu written in Pakistani biographies. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Removing Edits

@Al Shaykh Al Kasuri seems to be a part of Pakistani pov-pushing group continuously removing illustrative explanations of Jinnah Family backgrounds; New edits were saying about Jinnah's ancestral patrilineality not stating anywhere Jinnah being "Lohana of Thakkar" etc; and sources from https://www.britannica.com/biography/Mohammed-Ali-Jinnah & https://www.dawn.com/news/1728170 are well trusted and has been used many times in other parts of the article which clearly mentions that Jinnah being of Khoja lineage and Khojas are Lohana caste Gujrati Hindus of Thakkar background who had converted to Shia sect of Islam some centuries ago and are the followers of Aga Khan. Asyro2k24 (talk) 09:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

As I highlighted earlier, Asyro2k24 seems to be part of the Indian pov-pushing group. They just copied my statements and still have not provided a single source for Jinnah being "Lohana of Thakkar Hindu". None of the four sources provided (Hindustan Times, Dawn, Britannica and the NY Times) mention "Jinnah having a Hindu Lohana of Thakkar background". As for Khoja, it is already mentioned in the line Jinnah was a Khoja of Nizari Isma'ili Shia Muslim background from Gujarat, though he later followed the Twelver Shi'a... Since not a single WP:RS is provided for Jinnah's Lohana Thakkar background, I would have to remove it once again and if Asyro2k24 continues disruption, I may have to report them. Al Shaykh Al Kasuri (talk) 9:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock. SilverLocust 💬 08:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Once again @Al Shaykh Al Kasuri should go and check properly that it's clearly written things which speaks about Jinnah's ancestral patrilineality not of his current state or religion. In this entire article there is not a single mention which particularly says "Jinnah being Lohana of Thakkar" but where is he finding that he only knows. Just like in other pages like Jinnahbhai Poonja his father's page where it's clearly mentioned about his lohana caste linearity same it should also be mentioned in Muhammad Ali Jinnah page too otherwise how will people know what is Khoja or lohana and how is he related to his father. And sources from Britannica & DAWN are well reliable sources across global and particularly in this article there's a lot of mention of these websites in other paragraphs. If this continuous removing goes on then it will surely took a face of edit war which should not be allowed and need to be settled. Asyro2k24 (talk) 16:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2024

Muhammad Ali Jinnah changed his religion to Christianity in 1947 39.37.160.34 (talk) 12:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 13:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)