Talk:Muhammad Abdul Bari

Requested move

Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari → Muhammad Abdul Bari – Personal title inappropriate for article name Mtiedemann 15:58, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

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• Support as in intro. Mtiedemann 18:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose. That is is title, perhaps it might be more appropriate to name him President of the MCB?-LGreen
  • Comment. From Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) - "Several general and specific guidelines further specify that article names preferably... don't add qualifiers (such as "King", "Saint", "Dr.", "(person)", "(ship)"), except when this is the simplest and most NPOV way to deal with disambiguation". In addition, Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies) states that Dr should not be used in the opening sentence but should be discussed if relevant later in the article. Mtiedemann 18:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Ardenn 20:12, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

In light of the cited Wiki conventions (which I must hold my hand up and say I hadn't read so closely) I would like to do a whopping great u-turn! I now support the move to edit the name and place my Support for it.-LGreen

Moved. —Nightstallion (?) 15:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

"Surname"

This is a wider question than just applying to this article
Is "Abdul Bari" in fact one name? All the "Abdxxxs" I have met have been Abd + a word supposedly showing an attribute of their god, so "Abdul" seems to me to be a truncation. Is it really Abdulbari? In any case is "Bari" really a surname? (Mind you people may call themselves what they like within the bounds of decency and honesty). The minor Islamic people with whom I am best acquainted are happy to use Name + Father's name + His father's name + that for as long as it takes to establish a unique identity at the particular moment, to the great confusion of UK officialdom which insists on a "proper" surname.--SilasW 11:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Bari is his "surname" - this has been a common way of naming people (particularly in the Indian sub-continent) and is most likely due to people's lack of knowledge of the Arabic language. → AA ^(talk) — 12:34, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

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Further information of Bari can be found in the External links of the article, these include his works or speeches on recent terrorist operations and the racial equality in Britain. Mohsin (talk) 12:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

English

If as the article says, albeit irrelevantly, "his children speak English fluently, and (he) believes all Muslims in Britain should learn to speak English" why does the article contain so many examples of "not-English" grammar and so on? Incidentally why believe that all Muslims should do that? I seem to have encountered native honky Muslims and non-native immigrants of numerous kinds. Shouldn't English be the language used in the country? Go to any public office and there are lists in n languages of how to do or claim this and that. Then look at the roadway where pedestrians cross - why does it say just "Look Left" or "Right" and not the equivalent in all the boasted of 300+ languages spoken in London (an unlikely underestimate as Nigeria alone has more than 500)? I expect someone stepping out in front of vehicle will try to claim punitive damages from the rest of us for not writing the warning in their language.--SilasW (talk) 12:35, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

What does the following extract mean? "Bari critcises the government's stance on how it deals with Islamic extremism, who believes are responsible for creating tensions within the communities, and believes....." Who is the Believer? Who are responsible. If this man matters then some literate Anglophone supporter should get to work on the article.--SilasW (talk) 17:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Possible fora chaos

The article refers to Bari's connection with the "Islamic Forum of Europe". WP has no article on that but has one on "Islamic Forum Europe" which seems to be a nasty bigoted group. Google shows that both varieties share, at the least, the acronym "IFE". Can anyone give sources for them to be the same or separate organisations?--SilasW (talk) 10:36, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Likening to Nazi Germany

What does he mean by that? Gas chambers at Bookham and Datchet? Let's compare the sum total of so-called "Islamophobic" aggression in the UK with the daily Shia v Sufi brands in Iraq and in the "beautiful country" (Pakistan), the "peace" of God's own floodplain (B..sh), the indiscriminate killing of travellers on public transport regardless of their religious adherences. Either his or my sight of the matter is through the wrong end of the telescope.--SilasW (talk) 12:01, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

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