Talk:Mid-Sha'ban

help

Thats all I know about the night.. More help is needed! --Irishpunktom\^talk 11:21, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

narration

The narration that Irishpunktom pasted is not authentic. And the translation of Laylatul Qadr to "the night of power" is not correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shafi3i (talk • contribs) 19:30, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

i wonder why somebody insists on calling it Night of Power. The word " Qadr" has nothing to do with "power". It is very wrong. Qadr might be trasnlated to "destiny" or "Status" 'or "size" depending on where the diacrtic is on each letter in the word. Power is "qudra" or related to "qadara" or "iqtadara" or "aqdara".Shafi3i 22:18, 20 September 2005 (UTC).

As I've stated elsewhere, a significant amount of people refer to it as such, and that is reason enough for it's inclusion. --Irishpunktom\^talk 11:52, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Night of Qadr and Shab-e-Br'aat

One of the revisions made to this page is that someone has stated that Muslims scholars interpret the night in which God reveals what will happen in the coming year to some of His Angels as the night of Qadr. But this article at a reliable website: http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=IC0409-2468 Quotes a few Hadith in which the Prophet Muhammad stated that this actually occurs within the month of Shabaan. I'm going to go ahead and change it to 'Some Muslim scholars however believe this occurs on the Night of Qadr.' -- M2k41 (talk · contribs)

Edit as of 21st May 2006

I have made a few changes to this page. First of all 15th Shabaan is not interpreted as the Night of Power, the Night of Power is universally accepted as the day the Qur'an was first revealed, and this occured in the last ten days of Ramadan, hence the importance of that month. Second the traditional celebration of Shab-e-Br'aat is mainly observed in the Indian subcontinent, it is very rarely celebrated in traditional Arabic countries, so I have changed the line 'All Muslims...' to 'Some Muslims...' M2k41 20:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Shab-e-Br'aat or Shab-e-Barat

In the Islamic Events part of the Sha'aban page, it uses the other transliteration for this particular night. I've created the link for it, which redirects to the Mid-Sha'ban page, but I wish it were redirected to a more specific section within the page, something like "Night before Mid-Sha'ban" or "Eve of Mid-Sha'ban". Right now, the most suitable place seems to be the "Traditional Observance" section, but doesn't that describe the day-time activities? This is just a thought, I leave it to you to perform any changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fshafique (talk • contribs) 09:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

SAWS

Putting SAWS, or "Allah bless him and give him peace", or some other form after the name of the Prophet is unnecessary innovation, is it not? --Bejnar 23:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I must agree. It violates the spirit of objectivity. This whole article seems to do so. The inclusion of an obvious attack on Shia interpretation at the beginning of the article is not helpful.

Paul O —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.142.253.220 (talk) 15:42, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Attack on Shia interpretation

Paul O. said "The inclusion of an obvious attack on Shia interpretation at the beginning of the article is not helpful." I missed it. Where is this attack? --Bejnar 18:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Here they are misinterpreting Shia view "This hadith is very weak and many scholars advise praying in this night for any special prayers or Dua or any belief that the dead return is false and should not be followed". No sir, Shia do not consider this hadith as very weak. Even we Sunni consider it hasan. Only Wahhabies consider this view wrong. Hassanfarooqi (talk) 12:30, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Changes

I added changes using Dr. Jibaly's book. There is an authentic hadeeth talking about the virtues of 15th shab'baan. It has several chains and even if they are weak, the hadeeth would atleast be Hasan. However, the hadeeth only speaks about something that is common for every last third of the night. Perhaps people misundersood the hadeeth and perhaps missed the important part of it: "Allaah forgives all of His creation, except for a mushrik or a quarreler"

Thus, the emphasis should not be on excessive worship or odd celebrations. But rather, we should focus on remove Shirk from our belief and try to make peace and unite with the rest of the Ummah

and Allaah knows best —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.209.149 (talk) 14:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Come on folks. Let's be fair on this topic when we are editing it. Deleting everyone's links other than your own view is totally unacceptable. We know that this night is not a normal like all the other nights. But at the same time, we know that there is no authentic narration about fasting on the 15th of Shaban. We are allowed to increase our worship in this night because it's a special night in which Allah forgives people. The Prophet would spend almost all of nights in extra worship. So there's no harm in increasing our worship on this night because of it being special with the hope that we will be forgiven.

But folks, please let us not be soo biased towards our view that we delete everything else which people have put up. Especially the person who took off all the links and put up only one link to a Brelwi site. That is totally wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peacetoall (talk • contribs) 20:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

The problem comes when a religion is all about destroying another religion. Wahhabism movement was all about attacking Sunni and Shia beliefs. Here on wikipedia they continue to delete all Shia and Sunni views and impose wahhabi views as Islamic views. Naturally there is retaliation from Shias and Sunnies. Hassanfarooqi (talk) 12:41, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Wahhabi/Salafi

I have edited the claims that only the Wahhabi/Salafis deem Shabe Baraah as bid'ah. It is also seen as an innovation according to many subcontinental Hanafi scholars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.178.26 (talk) 22:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Wahhabies are predominently ghair-muqallid i.e. follower of no Imams, although they claim to be Shaf'ai. However majority of Shaf'ai are not Wahhabies, and lot of Hanafies are also Wahhabies. The most famous one being Maulvi Ismail the translator of Ibn Abdul Wahhab's books into Urdu. The problem is, that although Wahhabies are minorities, they are very resourceful due to their oil wealth, and very vocal, and stake the claim that only they are real Sunni and only they are real Muslims Hassanfarooqi (talk) 12:28, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Assigning importance of Laila tul Qadr to 15th Shaban is un-Islamic !

Muslims in some Islamic countries(Pakistan, India, etc) have been misguided by scholars into believing that night of 15th Shaban is very sacred, and should be given great reverence. They go so far that such false information / claims as below, are openly published by daily newspapers on this day:

1. Allah (s.w.t) descends to a lower heaven, and/or earth. 2. It is the night of forgiveness. 3. Important decisions are made on this night. 4. etc, etc...

The trend, it seems, is to create a competition between the Laila tul Qadr (a night of Ramadan, see ending) and this night of 15th Shaban. Various Sayings of Syedna Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) are cited for their case by some unwise scholars in support of this night.

These misleading arguments in favour of 15th Shaban (which are completely against the essence of Islam and therefore sinful) can be disproved easily as under:

First of all, all qualities attributed to 15th Shaban are those which the Holy Quran strictly says belong to the Laila tul Qadr. There is no room for any doubt, since there is a distinct Chapter (Surah Al Qadr, No.98) specifically revealed to magnify the importance of Laila tul Qadr. It clearly mentions that angels and Gabriel descend with instructions and decisions on "all matters" on this night of Laila tul Qadr.

Secondly, If everything is done on 15th Shaban, then what is the purpose of Laila tul Qadr ?...one may ask.

Thirdly, as Syedna Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was the most obedient servant of Allah (s.w.t) and also the ultimate teacher of the Holy Quran to mankind and Ummah, how could he create a controversy by declaring the 15th of Shaban equal to Laila tul Qadr ? He could never have ordered equal importance to be given to these two nights, in contrast to his own duties and stature.

PLEADING TO ALL MUSLIMS:

There is no restriction on praying on 15th Shaban, and Muslims are free to do so on this night or any other night, but its totally against the teaching of the Holy Quran and Syedna Prophet Mohammad (pbuh)to assign the qualities and reverence of Laila tul Qadr to any other date. Praying on just one Laila tul Qadr is better then praying for 1000 months (or 83.3 years) !

Laila tul Qadr is a gift from Allah (s.w.t) to mankind. By revealing to us the existence of such a tremendous night, Allah (s.w.t) has bestowed a great great mercy on us all. Please do not waste it or try to diminish it in any way whatsoever.

Laila tul Qadr is the real night of importance in Islam, on which Holy Quran descended, and during which all Muslims must pray and give it its due importance, and not 15th Shaban.

One may pray on 15the Shaban too, but not thinking it is in any way equal to Laila tul Qadr (naoozobillah!). If one wants to celebrate, do so on Laila tul Qadr.

To confirm above please kindly refer to the following sections in the Holy Quran:

a) Surah-98 Al Qadr, b) Surah-2 Al Baqrah (verse 2-185) c) Surah-44 (opening verses).

Wikiuser20000 (talk) 13:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

The only misguiding comes from people of Nejd (Wahhabies). Our prophet had warned that the devil will raise his horn from that soil, and anti-christ (dajjal) will attack the holy lands from there. There are many more ahadith against Nejd that are deleted with the power of oil wealth. With this tremendous oil wealth, the Nejdies are hijacking Islam and making it a terrorist cult. True Islam is now found only outside Gulf countries. Hassanfarooqi (talk) 12:36, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Merger Proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to merge HyperGaruda (talk) 18:46, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

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I propose to merge Barat Night with this article (Mid-Sha'ban). They are both about 15 Sha'ban, and while I can imagine that one is about the night and the other about the day of 15 Sha'ban, the article texts did not seem to make a clear distinction. Merging will however involve quite alot of work, since both articles include a considerable amount of (non-wikistandard) information.HyperGaruda (talk) 10:31, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Looking at the linked other-language Wikipedias, it seems that only Persian has separate articles. I'd like someone knowledgable in Persian to check if both Persian articles (Mid-Sha'ban and Barat Night) are addressing the same subject or not. HyperGaruda (talk) 19:48, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree. This is similar to Day of Ashura.--Seyyed(t-c) 03:49, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree.--Iady391 (talk) 20:25, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

I disagree because nobody would search with the term mid-sha'ban however it is being widely searched as Barat Night. In addition it has enough resources and meaning to have separate page. BurstPower (talk) 01:11, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

@BurstPower, I was not saying that Barat Night should be merged into Mid-Sha'ban, only that they should be merged. Which of these two will become the main article is to be discussed. Be aware though that after a merger the other article will still be searchable; it will then simply redirect you to the main article.

Could you please clarify what you mean by "enough meaning"? IMHO, having enough meaning does not matter for a merger, if the meaning is the same. In particular one paragraph is identical in both articles ("Sunnis observe mid-Sha'ban as a night of worship and salvation. Various hadiths have been transmitted in this regard, some weak and others graded hasan or sahih. Scholars including Al-Shafi‘i, Al-Nawawi, Al-Ghazali and Al-Suyuti have declared praying extra on the night of mid-Sha'ban as acceptable. In his Majmu`, Al-Nawawi quoted Al-Shafi`i saying that there are 5 nights when dua (prayer) is answered, one of them being the night of the 15th of Sha`ban.") - HyperGaruda (talk) 06:00, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Merging mid-Sha'ban into Barat Night may make sense however i am not that much expert to vote for that BurstPower (talk) 15:23, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Merge was completed by HyperGaruda: from Night of Bara'at [1] to Mid-Sha'ban [2]

About the Baraat fasting

How many fasting should we keep fasting in the Baraat ?

Nashrin Naseem (talk) 06:34, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Disputed merge

Dear User:HyperGaruda & Dear User:BurstPower,
This merge was wrong, because these two were different; Barat Night is celebrated both by Shia and Sunni but Blessed Lailatul Barat it’s mainly celebrated by Sunni Islam, but nime Shaban is mostly celebrated by Shia Islam as birth of their Imam.
Maybe some Shia Muslims and some Sunnis support merge but that’s not in favor of the real information, probably these guys want to hidden the other part,
For example Persians mostly celebrate Nime Shaban (and that’s because of the birth of Mahdi their Imam). But this is not the reason for celebrating of Barat Night, so they are both completely different issues.
It is not like Day of Ashura at all,
Because Day of Ashura subject is the same, it’s about similar story, but Barat Night and Mid-Sha'ban both have different roots.
Sunnis observe Barat Night as a night of worship and salvation. Shia observes mid-Sha'ban as the birthday of their last Imam, Imam Mahdi. KhabarNegar ^Talk 09:54, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Moved from Mid-Sha'ban

 – – Fayenatic London 22:19, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Since the celebration of Shab-e-barat and ShiaMid-Sha'ban festival is almost held at the same time on the same day, there are mistakes in this article and similar articles, and the ceremonies of Barat and the ceremonies of Mid-Sha'ban had been mixed. The ways of holding these two celebrations are different.for barat festival see: Shab-e-barat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Homaaaa (talk • contribs) 02:15, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Note: A separate article Shab-e-barat was re-created by Sir blue (talk · contribs) in September 2019 by copying and pasting an old version of Night of Bara'at [3] into a page that had been a mere redirect. This has since been expanded.

Homaaaa (talk · contribs) also inserted a longer "Description" section into that article with a similar editorial comment. – Fayenatic London 22:19, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Note: I have repaired the page history by merging the old article Night of Bara'at into Shab-e-barat. This is not disputed. It is the overlap between Shab-e-barat and Mid-Sha'ban which is disputed. – Fayenatic London 11:12, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

the 2 festival are very different .it is not possible to merge it. the roots are different . the traditions are different. and .... I will explain more ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Homaaaa (talk • contribs) 01:16, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Both festivals are same, with only denominational (more specifically, regional) variations. If this requires a separate article, that Shia Ashura & Sunni Ashura should also. Wiki N Islam (talk) 12:41, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Shab-e-Barat and Mid-Sha'ban are the same thing but...

So contrary to what the editors above are saying, these are the exact same thing. Shab-e-Bara(t)/Mid-Sha'ban/Nisfu Sha'ban/Laylatul Bara(t) etc. are all just various names for the same festival. At the moment then, Wikipedia confusingly has two articles for the same thing. The content of the two articles is also strikingly similar.

The reason however why some editors objected to the mergers is that they are confusing the difference in celebration between Sunnis and Shi'ites - Sunni celebrate 15th Sha'ban due to certain traditions in their collections and statements from their jurists emphasising the night, the closeness to God in the night etc. Muslims are spread out throughout the world, hence the difference in customs in celebrating the night (regional variations of the same festival do NOT merit a seperate article contrary to what the editors above opine - they can easily be included in seperate sections and sub-sections of one article).

Shi'a Muslims however have an additional reason to celebrate it - that is that the 12th Imam, Imam Mahdi was born on this night. For Shi'ites then, the night has significance as it relates to their central beliefs in Imamah and Ghaybah that differentiates them from the Sunnis.

This is simply a denominational variation on the reason for the celebration, not unlike the celebration of Ashura which similarly has differing traditions between Sunni and Shi'a. However, again denominational differences do not warrant a seperate article, and making seperate articles simply makes things confusing.

It would be like having multiple articles for Christmas - something we do not do for obvious reasons!

I propose one article, with adequate explanation of the denominational nuances in celebration, as well as room for any regional customs. ParthikS8 (talk) 23:04, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Support Wiki N Islam (talk) 12:38, 23 February 2024 (UTC)