Talk:Mental health/Archive 2

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Archive 2

Can we have a topic of Community mental health ???

as this is a specific area and also a academic term

http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?as_q=community+mental+health&num=10&btnG=Search+Scholar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=title&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=&as_yhi=&as_allsubj=all&hl=en&lr= --165.228.190.54 (talk) 06:53, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Mental Health vs. Mental Hygiene

I think further clarification regarding the difference (if there is a difference) between the two terms would be helpful. Is one a more "politically correct" version of another? I do not understand the need to use "mental hygiene" because to me, "hygiene" refers to cleanliness, and I do not think that mental health has anything to do with cleanliness or the lack thereto.

John Paul Parks (talk) 15:12, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

There are some links which maybe helpful in this respect: Psychohygiene

• [1] "During the early decades of the 20th century a movement was initiated, first in the USA and then in the UK to improve the quality of care for mental illness and to disseminate knowledge about mental health amongst the masses. In order to organize this movement a National Committee for Mental Hygiene was established in the USA in 1909. This was followed by the formation of a Mental Hygiene Council in the UK in 1923. The educated and the enlightened people of all walks of life were enrolled as members of these organizations. The impact of their activities was felt on the shores of India very soon. On active encouragement from the Mental Hygiene Council (UK), the Indian Association for Mental Hygiene came into being at Simla on 23rd August 1928. The membership of the association was open to all who subscribed to its aims and objectives and participated in all activities towards their implementation. Lt. Col. Owen Berkeley – Hill, Superintendent of the then European Lunatic Asylum, Ranchi (now known as Central Institute of Psychiatry) was elected as its first President."

Three examples::

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• [3]
• [4]

• [5] -- 88.75.196.7 (talk) 12:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Austerlitz -- 88.72.5.241 (talk) 09:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Fabian Society.

Austerlitz -- 88.75.196.7 (talk) 12:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

• Steps toward Global Mind Control under the banner of "Mental Health" and Education This link has been deleted.

Austerlitz -- 88.75.77.67 (talk) 20:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

The term mental hygiene has had a number of uses. The way it is included in this article is in an historical context (correctly) as an early approach to the promotion of positive mental health. Jenafalt (talk) 08:25, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Positive mental health not mental ill-health - edits

I have done some initial editing to cut out the sections that deal with mental ill-health and 'disorders' in order to orient it more toward its discussion of positive mental health. The article as it stood was contradictory. It started with a discussion of mental health which focussed on the use of the term as a marker of positive mental health and then went on to discuss treatment of mental ill-health and professions working with mental disorders. This information is all in its own articles already and is not necessary here. I will go on to do further edits and expand on concepts of positive mental health, the professions associated with its promotion and so forth. Jenafalt (talk) 08:21, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

One problem with narrowing a discussion of "mental health" to only the "mentally healthy" is the same as saying that "physical health" only includes a discussion of the "physically healthy." Mental health is an umbrella term, a (somewhat) measurable indicator, and not just one end of the spectrum of what is possible in terms of one's mental state. The goal of the mental health movement, if that's what you can call this, is to move everyone across the board into a better state of mental health, wherever their starting point. It's not only a term to address those who have already achieved mental health, since mental illness can occur at any time, at any age, with or without predisposition. Mental health is similar to physical health, one must continue to practice good mental health habits to help ensure (but not guarantee) a lifetime of good non-illness mental health. We can't say "Ok, you've achieved mental health, you never have to consider this again." If you talk about "physical health" you're talking about a variety of life choices you can make to try to ensure (positive) physical health and avoid physical ailments for life. But life happens, genetics happen, incidents happen, and you cannot guarantee it. The better your physical health activities, the less likely that a physical ailment will be as severe, serious or permanent. The Crisses (talk) 12:47, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Jenafalt, we already have articles dedicated to the topic of mental illness. Mental health is definitely related to mental illness but they are also distinguishable, based on Corey M. Keyes work on the 2-continua model. Nobody is narrowing mental health to "mentally healthy" people: this doesn't even make sense to me; What Jenafalt is trying to do is clean up the article by removing mental illness material that is not relevant to the topic of mental health (e.g. discussing psychiatric disorders and their prevalance doesn't seem to inform me of what mental health "is" or how it's related to the concept). P.S. how are we going to even define what a "mind" is? Mr Robot 2020 (talk) 13:37, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Positive

• [6] okay.

Austerlitz -- 88.72.21.223 (talk) 21:23, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

This context was somewhat distracting from the articles main purpose which was giving a broad stroke on mental health and it's significance in society. When diving into different countries role in mental health it distracts the reader from understanding the importance of mental health and Ginsberg to become a history lesson with little significance in understanding the topic. And there are only a few countries listed with each not being covered as fully as the next. Abdiel Tejada (talk) 18:46, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Historical context

de:Else Pappenheim (1911-2009) and her father Martin Pappenheim (1881-1943), both have been famous psychoanalysts.

-- 88.75.192.241 (talk) 13:26, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Psychoanalysis http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mental_health&diff=323566408&oldid=323468310

I don't understand why is it that you have removed this field?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.174.203 (talk) 01:17, 11 June 2010 (UTC) 

Austerlitz -- 88.75.87.43 (talk) 11:42, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I have removed them because an article about mental health is not about the treatment of mental ill-health, which psychoanalysis aims to do - this article is about mental health, which is the promotion of positive mental health. It is about public health rather than treatment of illness. Jenafalt (talk) 21:24, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I believe this deep analysis of multiple countries and their relevance in the issue of mental health distracts the reader from the general purpose of this article which is the significance of mental health in society today and in the past. This historical section introduces multiple countries and their role in mental health but does not give the same depth of analysis for each country and seems that the countries have no correlation to mental health's importance to society. Abdiel Tejada (talk) 18:54, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Advertising is inappropriate in this article on mental health

The paragraphs following the introduction are advertising--not appropriate for the topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.111.5.34 (talk) 12:36, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Removed. Remember, you can edit the page yourself as well! VQuakr (talk) 13:54, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Italics

What's up with the italics in the lead?—Biosketch (talk) 05:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Mental health doesn't "describe" anything

This is an encyclopedia -- not a dictionary. ;-)

I see this mistake in the first sentence of a whole lot of Wikipedia articles. It would be a nice improvement if this was corrected. --31.45.79.44 (talk) 18:23, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Merge from Psychological well-being

These two titles appear to refer to the same thing. I suggest a merge. -- Patchy1 02:59, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree...though I concur about the confusion. Psychological well-being is a distinct concept contrasted with Subjective well-being which might be called a specific model of mental health, or of eudaimonia, or of flourishing. I found too much of the same stuff repeated throughout pages on flourishing, happiness, eudaimonia, subjective well-being and others about the same stuff that it makes sense to make its own page and link to it. But I'm just starting to edit wikipedia so feel free to point out if I'm mistaken. :) --RT Wolf (talk) 03:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

No not mistaken. Just need to make sure they aren't the same thing and we didn't have duplicate articles. Psychological health currently redirects here, you may wish to retarget that redirect if you feel it is appropriate. -- Patchy1 07:23, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok cool. tTis article could def use a link to that one, tooo. :) --RT Wolf (talk) 08:17, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Added a disambiguation hatnote to reduce confusing. :) --RT Wolf (talk) 18:52, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Therapy section added

I have done some rearranging/editing on this article and added a section on mental health therapies. At this point, the sections are largely serving to provide links to other articles discussing mental health issues. I'd love some help expanding and sourcing these. Hillbillygirl (talk) 15:59, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Like Good idea! Lova Falk talk 16:08, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Behavioral health

The article behavioral health describes how "behavioral health" is a new syn for mental health. The duality is a bit confusing. If this is true, the search "behavioral health" should redirect to this article or v.v., and somewhere a section on terminology should be included, imho. For now I just added "(or behavioral health)" to the lede and put it in the "See Also". Don't have time to perfect anything, and I'm not really sure on the matter anyway. Squish7 (talk) 21:19, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I removed all mention of this. It is not backed by any sources. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:39, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

General Health Questionnaire

Dear editors, I have just created General Health Questionnaire which you might like to assist with and link to here? Tayste (edits) 01:01, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Article terms

Hi, I was looking at the article and it's great. Thank you for your work on this, and I'd like to contribute from time to time if that's OK.

I see that the lead talks about Mental Health and describes the ideas well. In the second paragraph, a separate term "behavioral health" is introduced. I didn't know right away if the article was making a distinction or making a similarity with "mental health"?. If it's supposed to be distinct, it might be good to say something like: "Separately, a person struggling with his or her behavioral health may..." or "In contrast, a person struggling with his or her behavioral health may...". (or maybe the italics alone would suffice). If it is supposed to be an extension/similarity of the original term, it could say "Relatedly, a person struggling with his or her behavioral health may..."

If none of this makes sense or doesn't matter, please forgive my intrusion. I have some other ideas too about improving the article but I wanted to get your initial response to these ideas. The other suggestions I have are just minor tweaks as well...  :)

Happy Editing!!

Cityside189 (talk) 00:06, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Origin of term "behavioral health".

Since a search of the term behavioral health redirects to mental health; one wonders about the origins of the term behavioral health which is gaining more currency. Facilities are naming their departments behavioral health treatment units as opposed to using the descriptor "psychiatric" or "mental health". Not that there was nothing sinister afoot but I imagine that pharmaceutical companies looking to promote off-label sales of their products might favor the vague and loose terminology implied with behavioral health perspective rather than the medical model, diagnosis perspective of "Psychiatric". That what's being treated is behavior not a specific illness.2602:306:3248:590:296D:229C:5E40:8A8D (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2015 (UTC)Joel Mindes

Joel, very interesting. read WP:RS and see what appropriate sources there are for supporting this. Then we can talk about them here. The shift in terms may also be due to an effort to de-stigmatize mental health, and to more accurately focus on how mental illness is observed (behavioral contributions or causes of mental illness). Also, the inverse, that behavioral changes or improvements are known to address and sometimes "cure" mental illness. We also know that behavioral changes are very measurable and can be a meter stick for whether mental heath treatments are actually working. Good chatting with you, will you keep your long alpha-numeric user name or go with Joel? --Cityside (let's talk! - contribs) 05:25, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Mental illness vs. mental disorder

I noticed a recent change on the article about using "disorder" vs. "illness". I came upon the article after it was somewhat dormant and think that there's more to do overall. I think the concept of "health" as the "absence of illness (or disorder)" is challenging. For the best article here on WP, I think we should cite refs similar to the American Psychological Association, American Counselor's Association, etc. such as "http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/change.aspx". Here the authors discuss mental health as related to "mental wellness" and suggest it's possible, for example to have overall good mental health even if a person has a diagnosed condition or disorder, if that disorder is well managed or treated. What if we change the lede somewhat and take it in that direction? I would like to get good consensus in doing so, to develop the strongest article we can. Any thoughts on this? --Cityside189 (let's talk! - contribs) 22:46, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

@Cityside189: Mental health is subjective. A lot of states labeled as disorders aren't considered that by everyone. Wikipedia seems to agree with the idea that doctors should define who's healthy and who is disordered. Health is defined by the World Health Organization as "a state of complete physical, mental, and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity" (copied from health). The last part of the sentence imply an absence of "disease" is important to be healthy. Mental illness is a vague term, it is also stigmatizing. Andrea Carter (at your service | my good deeds) 23:01, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

This is really great, thank you.--Cityside189 (let's talk! - contribs) 00:00, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) Andrea Carter (at your service | my good deeds) 00:41, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

OCD minor mental illness?

I have an issue with the following line from the article:

"Neurosis: Also known as psychoneuroses, neuroses are minor mental illnesses like phobias, obsessive-compulsive disorders, and anxiety disorders, among others."

Is it really the case that something like OCD is a minor mental illness? I appreciate the fact that people with OCD don't perceive the world incorrectly, but from my own experience with OCD, I would have said that OCD certainly is a major mental illness. For example, someone can go from being able to work an 8-hour day to barely managing to do five minutes of work. That's a pretty major deal. 86.191.10.228 (talk) 02:11, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

I would like to also question, perhaps in a different manner, what qualifies mental illnesses as major or minor? It does seem that if a person has a disorder such as OCD or anxiety disorder, that these can affect every day living and functioning. Sohn.l (talk) 06:13, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Create new page

Cant we create a new page for Social Work in Mental Health or more commonly pops up in wikipedia as Psychiatric social work, It does have relevant information. The heading and the flow of the article also seems to be not so good. Can anyone fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.241.20.181 (talk) 17:05, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Dr. Christopher Cortman and Dr. Harold Shinitzky coined the phrase "social black belt"

This material is off topic and/or promotional.

Dr. Christopher Cortman and Dr. Harold Shinitzky coined the phrase "social black belt" in their 2009 book "Your Mind An Owners Manual For a Better Life", Career Press. It refers to someone who has reached the highest level of social mastery. You can find tons of info, they really are becoming pioneers for social emotional learning, their accolades are lengthy, and their books used in colleges and universities. I haven't found anything on Wiki about them yet. Srqshrink.com Drshinitzky.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.254.19.33 (talk) 03:10, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Social determinants

Contributors to this page may find the following source useful:

• Compton, M.T.; Shim, R.S., eds. (2015). The Social Determinants of Mental Health. Washington, D.C.; London, UK: American Psychiatric Publishing, American Psychiatric Association. ISBN 1585624772. OCLC 913459007.

—Coconutporkpie (talk) 15:30, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

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unsourced para

I'm moving here an unsourced paragraph that was being used as an "example of a wellness model" (cf WP:WEIGHT):

An example of a wellness model includes one developed by Myers, Sweeney and Witmer. It includes five life tasks—essence or spirituality, work and leisure, friendship, love and self-direction—and twelve sub tasks—sense of worth, sense of control, realistic beliefs, emotional awareness and coping, problem solving and creativity, sense of humor, nutrition, exercise, self care, stress management, gender identity, and cultural identity—which are identified as characteristics of healthy functioning and a major component of wellness. The components provide a means of responding to the circumstances of life in a manner that promotes healthy functioning.

109.145.7.183 (talk) 14:40, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Proposal for Expansion

I plan on adding an expansion to this article by linking an article called "Mental Health in Mexico," using this page as a parent article. I plan on following this article's basic format (history, treatments, stipulations) as i write this new section. My user page has a more detailed plan complete with references I intend to use. Natsz72 (talk) 03:02, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Happiness

There are 2 kinds of happiness, temporary and long lasting. Temporary happiness can be for example a lot of things that have to do with material happiness. Long lasting happiness is a deep fulfillment of your inner core. If you are not happy right now you need to do something different. You must break your patterns and look at life from a different perspective. Figuring yourself out is the first step in the path of getting you to a happy place the quickest. Happiness is a powerful thing to possess in life. A lot of people think they have, and very few embody it. For many people, having fun at a party, the excitement of new experiences, finding the right partner, achieving professional success, and being rich all ways of being happy. Those are all wonderful experiences to be cherished and cultivated but they are not happiness. Money and fame don’t mean everything and everyone with those things are not happy. You must figure out how to make your day in and day out happy, otherwise you will be impatient and try to buy happiness with your money. Happiness cannot be found in an end result, only the journey. Purpose is a fancy word for happiness, it makes you ask yourself why you are doing something or who you are doing it for. Happiness is when your life fulfills your needs. Happiness comes when you feel satisfied and fulfilled. Happiness is a feeling of contentment, that life is just as it should be. Perfect happiness, enlightenment, comes when you have all of your needs satisfied. We are all taught that striving to be happy and stay happy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeonJWebb (talk • contribs) 01:42, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

inter-generational dependence

According to the World Health Organization (WHO), mental health includes "subjective well-being, perceived self-efficacy, autonomy, competence, inter-generational dependence, and self-actualization of one's intellectual and emotional potential, among others."

I simply don't know what that phrase means in this context, without considerable extra-curricular digging of the kind that I come to Wikipedia so as not to perform.

Lifting a quote like this is great when it works, but it's a nuisance when it doesn't, because it's not amenable to being reworded for clarity. — MaxEnt 18:17, 27 February 2019 (UTC)