Talk:Herschel Grynszpan

Incompatibility of Information

At the end of the Legal manoeuvers in Germany section there is:

        "He was still alive in late 1943 or early 1944, when he was interrogated by Adolf Eichmann at Gestapo headquarters in Berlin...Grynszpan appeared before Adolf Eichmann in 1943 or 1944 according to Eichmann's own testimony at his trial in 1961,"'

Quickly following, near the beginning of the The fate of Grynspzan and the survival myth section it says:

         "All of the best available evidence suggests that Grynszpan died at Sachsenhausen sometime in late 1942.[49]" 

So, which is it? We have to assume he only died once.Venqax (talk) 21:33, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Eichmann may have misrembered the dates. (2A00:23C4:638C:D800:307E:848D:97C3:20D (talk) 16:14, 7 July 2017 (UTC))

Contradiction

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_vom_Rath says that Herschel killing "the wrong guy" is propaganda, this page repeats it uncritically. One of these is correct, not both.204.11.142.106 (talk) 13:17, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

1946 photograph is not him

Even a cursory comparison between the headshot photo (2nd photo in the article) and the 1946 DP Camp photo clearly shows they are not the same man. Grynszpan had very delicate, angular features and looked rather like the 1950s actor Sal Mineo. The man in the 1946 photo has rounded facial features, a different hairline, and looks fleshier and older than 25 years. I have no doubt that Grynszpan was executed in 1942. (86.129.39.158 (talk) 17:51, 22 June 2017 (UTC))

Agreed. The man is just a lookalike. In any case there is no way the Nazis would have allowed Grynszpan to survive. (2A00:23C4:638C:D800:307E:848D:97C3:20D (talk) 16:11, 7 July 2017 (UTC))

If so, where is the documentary evidence that he was executed? There were thousands of photographs taken of thousands of men in post-war Europe, so why would anyone pick out an obscure personage such as Grynszpan to try to make it sound like he hadn't been executed? Except for people who follow this era of history, no one knows who he was nor cares. Makes no sense. On the other hand, what is the definitive proof that he is the man in the 1946 photo? Without a time machine and a one-on-one interview with him in 1946, there is no way to know. However, there is a tendency to dismiss what we don't want to believe in deference to what we want to believe. All in all, I find this possibility intriguing and if it is true, raises a great many questions about the mainstream history of that era.RRskaReb talk 03:18, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Joined the nazi party in 1932?

I am inclined to treat this as vandalism unless there is a source.--Jrm2007 (talk) 16:31, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Gone. Zero^talk 16:47, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Contradiction on Poland depriving citizenship

In "Paris" section, Grynszpan loses citizenship because of law "depriving Polish citizens" of citizenship that have lived 5 years abroad. In the "From exile to assassin" section, it is "a Polish decree stripping Polish Jews living abroad of citizenship".

Addition of specifically Polish Jews is strange. I went onto the source (with Google Translate) and it seems the law targeted all Polish citizens, intending to affect mainly Jews and others considered undesirable. I'll be changing it but if anyone can confirm this is right, it would be helpful. HasisLfter (talk) 23:51, 19 August 2022 (UTC)