Talk:David J. Brewer

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I am very sad that the original author of this article did not mention that Mr. Brwer was a devout Christian and served the One, True God. Brewer once said, "I Believe in Jesus Christ as the great Helper, Comforter and Saviour of humanity, and the Holy Bible as bearing to us the story of his mission, the rules of duty, the Revelation of Eternal Life, and also the conditions under which the attainment of that life are possible. No book contains more truths, or is worthy of confidance than the Bible; none brings more joy to the sorrwing, more strength to the week, or more stimulus to the nobly ambitious; none makes life sweeter, or death easier or less sad." I believe the same.

Your opinions are quite dandy but have no place in an encyclopedia article. If you have a citation for the quote above or some reference for Brewer's religious beliefs--arguably noted based on his published works--please add it. The comment posted above was appropriate for this talk page but not for the article text itself. Thehappysmith 18:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. The foregoing superstitious rant would be ridiculous on a page dedicated to a man of reason and deep thought. And until there is some documentary evidence of his opinions on mythology, I will not presume he was any more religious than Bill Maher. 76.113.64.124 (talk) 16:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

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A temporary subpage at User:Polbot/fjc/David Josiah Brewer was automatically created by a perl script, based on this article at the Biographical Directory of Federal Judges. The subpage should either be merged into this article, or moved and disambiguated. Polbot (talk) 16:20, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:16, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that according to Theodore Roosevelt, U.S. Supreme Court justice David J. Brewer had "a sweetbread for a brain" and was a "menace to the welfare of the Nation"? Source: Hylton, "Perils of Popularity", pg. 574
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fedotova and Others v. Russia

5x expanded by Extraordinary Writ (talk). Self-nominated at 04:01, 17 July 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Z1720 (talk) 16:14, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Wesleyan College is female!

The article says Mr. Brewer attended Wesleyan College, which links to Wesleyan College, which according to our article is an all-female institution and always has been! J S Ayer (talk) 01:05, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Have redirected the link to Wesleyan University, on the basis of a mention of the Mystic 7. J S Ayer (talk) 01:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, you're right—I did link to Wesleyan University in the "early life" section, but I picked the wrong one in the lead. (The sources, e.g. [1], actually do call the Connecticut school Wesleyan College, confusingly enough.) Thanks for taking care of it! Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:02, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:David J. Brewer/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MaxnaCarta (talk · contribs) 06:48, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Discussion points

Lead

• Issue to address: In the second sentence of lead, you describe Brewer as a "very" conservative justice. "Very" is a qualifier, and I recommend removing this. Open to your response.
• Response from EW: Reworked.
• Addressed?: Y

• Issue to address: Love that you use the Oxford comma!
• Response from EW: NA
• Addressed?: NA

Supreme Court (1890-1910)

• Issue to address: "Brewer has been described as an extremely conservative justice" - by whom? I checked the source for this. Across 11 pages I do not see this specific qualifier used. In fact, the source states "No justice in the history of the Supreme Court has taken a more liberal hand in the affects that affect the nation at large, nor has more freely exercised the right of comment on matters of human welfare". First thought - wow - was the author of this piece aware of Ginsberg? Ha. Anyway, obviously he was conservative, but we should have a pinpoint source or quote for this claim I feel. Text-source integrity could be improved by using a specific page, rather than a long range for claims.
• Response from EW: In this citation style (which is an uncommon one—apologies for the confusion), the page number is cited with Template:Rp. So for this sentence, we have Brewer has often been described as an extremely conservative justice.[18]:45, meaning that the claim is found on page 45 of source number 18. That page says "The Kansan...has been depicted as the embodiment of extreme judicial conservatism...", which I think that supports the "described as an extremely conservative justice" claim. The sentence is also followed by a quote from Paul, which gives the reader an example of someone arguing that he's extremely conservative. Let me know if there's something else I should do here. (PS – if you're curious regarding that "more liberal hand" line, "liberal" here means loose/unrestrained: the sentence is saying that he commented freely on things "that affect the nation at large" (something I mention in the "extrajudicial activities" section), not that he actually adhered to a left-of-center judicial philosophy.)
• Addressed?: Y

Source checking

• Like most of his colleagues on the Fuller Court, Brewer rarely sided with African-Americans in civil rights cases - hmmm. Checks out but only because I went and did a look-see at the Fuller Court and it's decisions. Not entirely sure this source really backs this claim, but willing to let it slide because this is a GA review not FA, also because the statement is true and unlikely to be challenged.
  • I took this from the footnote on pg. 321: "with the exception of Harlan and Day, Brewer's contemporaries exhibited little sympathy for [claims by African-Americans]". I guess the source doesn't explicitly say that these were Fuller Court justices, so I've just trimmed it to "Like most of his colleagues, Brewer rarely sided..." Y

• According to the historian Linda Przybyszewski, Brewer was "probably the most widely read jurist in the United States at the turn of the twentieth century" due to what Justice Holmes characterized as his "itch for public speaking" - Checks out
• "History has not been kind to David Brewer, comments Fiss" - checks out. Though, with Fiss also stating "Today he is largely forgotten" his credibility is somewhat reduced given that he is soon to be a Good Article, (and knowing you, an FA not long after) .
  • Ha! I don't think I'm going to send this one to FAC anytime soon (I only just finished up my most recent one), but perhaps someday... Y

@Extraordinary Writ please see above. Thanks MaxnaCarta (talk) 11:15, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, MaxnaCarta! Responses above; let me know if you see anything else that needs fixing. Regarding your comment below on incorporating more conservative perspectives: it's always tricky to strike the right balance on these sorts of things, but the article does cite and quote from a number of scholars who approach things from a fairly conservative/revisionist/pro-Brewer angle, for instance Brodhead, Hylton, Semonche, and Ely. Are there any particular sections that you think would benefit from a stronger emphasis on these folks' ideas? Cheers, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Extraordinary Writ - Critiquing your work is the ultimate exercise in adding unnecessary ornamentation to something beautiful in its own right. I do not think it necessarily needs further commentary from an opposing perspective, or frankly anything else. This is as close to perfect as an article can get really, perfection being naturally unattainable. It is just an idea for the future, whether it has merit is up to you! This is clearly an outstanding work and after further perusal following your changes it is my honour to confirm I consider this GA status and it will shortly be promoted. It feels rather odd assessing your work, because I actually look up to you and the work you do and attempt to emulate your style in my own articles, hoping to one day get them assessed myself. I have nominated Dietrich v the Queen, it will likely have many more points to action than yours did. Also, I am seeing you around some particular areas lately that make me suspect you may be nominating yourself for the bit soon, if I am wrong then you should do so and if I am right, best of luck for when you do. Will be waiting to give you my support with interest. MaxnaCarta (talk) 12:10, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Criteria

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Yes. Well written piece of work.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Good compliance with MOS.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	No claims are made without a reference. Anything likely to be challenged has been sourced.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Not only are sources reliable, they are of the upmost quality. Most are peer reviewed, scholarly sources.
	2c. it contains no original research.	Well referenced.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	Clean copyvio report, and images appear to be appropriately licenced.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Indeed, and actually covers the topic so well it is likely headed towards the FA criteria of a comprehensive review of relevant literature too.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Good job in this regard.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	I do think the article is neutral. However in order to improve, this article would do well to take perspective from other more conservative critique also.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	No ongoing edit wars.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	As above.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Images are appropriate.
	7. Overall assessment.	Congratulations! Another brilliant piece of work by EW.