Talk:Beer in Scotland

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In the article on "Wellpark Brewery" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennents) the founding date is listed as 1740. In this article, under the sub-category "Breweries in Scotland" it is listed as 1556. Jmwoody (talk) 16:23, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

comparison of Brakspear's 50/- Pale Ale and W. Younger's No 3

"However, Dr John Harrison in Old British Beers gave a recipe for the English brewery Brakspear's 1865 50/- Pale Ale in which 1.8 oz of hops are used per imperial gallon, along with the Scottish brewery W. Younger's 1896 Ale No 3 (Pale) which also uses 1.8 oz of hops per imperial gallon."

This isn't a great comparison for two reasons: the beers were brewed 30 years apart; they are two different styles of beer. Younger's No. 3 wasn't a Pale Ale. It was a Scotch Ale.91.209.208.11 (talk) 14:35, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

90/- Ale image

Hasn't anyone noticed that the Morison's label is for a 90/- India Pale Ale? The adjacent text talks about a 90/- Wee Heavy or Strong Ale, a totally different type of beer. Shows just how tricky those Scottish Shilling classifications are. In the 1920's and 1930's 90/- usually designated a relatively low-gravity (somewhere in the 1030's) Pale Ale. 90/- has only relatively recently been used to refer to Strong Ale.Patto1ro (talk) 14:19, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Breweries in Scotland

Since there is a separate article "List of breweries in Scotland" containing a superset of the ones listed here, I suggest the list here be deleted and replaced by a link - I'll do this unless someone has a reasoned objectionNewburyjohn (talk) 10:06, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
No response, so list deleted Newburyjohn (talk) 11:12, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

File:Edinburgh Ale by Hill & Adamson c1844.png to appear as POTD

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Picture of the day

A salt print, dated c. 1844, of three men, James Ballantine, George Bell and David Octavius Hill, drinking Edinburgh ale. A contemporary source described the brew as "a potent fluid, which almost glued the lips of the drinker together, and of which few, therefore, could dispatch more than a bottle."Photograph: Hill & Adamson

Naming system

I'm somewhat baffled by the repeated removal of the paragraph on the naming system for Scottish ales, on the confused basis that this is covered by an earlier link to the term shilling. That link is pertinent in explaining what a shilling is but has no further pertinence to the topic - fundamentally pertinent to this article - as to the peculiarities of the naming system for Scottish beers which happens to incorporate the symbol for and the term shilling. To say on my talk page that "those interested in learning about the old British money system they can click on the link" shows a complete misunderstanding of what the contended paragraph is addressing: Scottish beer naming conventions in an article about Scottish beer. It could hardly be more in scope; please restore it @SilkTork:. Mutt Lunker (talk) 07:44, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

I do not know specifically why the para has been removed, but I have a comment. The word shilling in Scottish beer terms is nothing to do with money, except as an indication of strength, 80/- is stronger than 60/-. Originally it may have been an indication of duty paid. The terms 'bob', 'pence', 'pound' were not, to my knowledge, used, nor was a decimal equivalent, 70/- was not £3.50, so try not to think of a Shilling as money. If I am on the wrong track, please someone else correct me. Ânes-pur-sàng (talk) 08:39, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

I'd agree with that. Likewise, I personally havn't heard it referred to as "...bob" either and the paragraph could probably benefit from some copy-editing, particularly the rather convoluted and possibly confusing final sentence, but your point about the paragraph not being about money is the nub. It's about distinctive terminology for beer which happens to incorporate a monetary term. Mutt Lunker (talk) 09:33, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Having a lengthy description in an article on Beer in Scotland of the British monetary system and how people used it and spoke it, is not appropriate. If we had incidental information on every topic raised in an article, it would soon become bloated, which is why we have the internal link system. If someone is interested in the shilling as a money system (rather than an incidental name) they can click on the link. This "60/- (60 shilling)" and the link is sufficient. There is at least one American brewer who has made a beer referencing the Bob nickname of the shilling, but this is not a widespread usage, and is done by an American brewer making an American beer, so is not highly relevant for this article on beer made in Scotland. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 09:39, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

There is no description, lengthy or otherwise, of the British monetary system in the contended section. I can however see that the convoluted last sentence, to which I referred, may be confusing you into thinking so, so I'd suggest something along the lines of "It would be more usual to express amounts above twenty shillings in terms of pounds, shillings and pence but the terminology for beer expressed the amount, more unusually, only in shillings. For example, outside of this terminology and in monetary terms, 70 shilling would otherwise equate to £3-10-0 but beer is not termed so." to clarify that beer names are being discussed, in relation to what the terminology might otherwise be expected to be.Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:08, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

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