Talk:12 Metre

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The statement that US 27, Enterprise (Olin Stephens, designer) was the only American Twelve Metre built in aluminum is incorrect. The first aluminum Twelves built in America were for the defense of the America's Cup in 1974. They were US 25 Mariner (Britton Chance design, built by Derecktor's. Possibly the only slow design Chance ever did.), then US 26 Courageous (Olin Stephens, built by Minneford's. Successful Cup defender in 1974 and 1977) As fast as Courageous was, she narrowly defeated 1967/1970 Cup winner Intrepid (built in traditional carvel planked wood by Minneford's, updated by Olin and Gerry Driscoll's boatyard) for the right to defend the 1974 contest. For the 1977 defense trials, not only Courageous and Enterprise participated, but also another aluminum Twelve designed by Ted Hood, Independence. (Starting with Independence, I'm fuzzy at best about sail numnbers) For 1980, an American syndicate built Freedom and Magic and Spirit of America, all in aluminum, all for Dennis Conner. Independence was stripped down to her keel and rebuilt as Clipper. (David Pedrick, designer) Freedom sucessfully defended against the Aussies. In 1983, Dennis Conner again built a fleet of Twelves, all in aluminum, to fight for the right to defend, settling on Liberty. (Sorry, Johann, I don't remember how to spell your last name. Fastest standard-keel Twelve ever, but she ran up against Australia II, the Wing-Keeled Wonder from Down Under and lost the Cup when she lost the seventh and last race). Also, David Pedrick had Defender built to his design. It got really crazy for 1987 in Freemantle. Dennis Conner had four new aluminum Twelves built for him, settling on Stars and Stripes '87 (US 55) to race. She won the Cup back for America under Dennis' hand. Buddy Melges built Heart of America, Gary Mull designed Evoluton (US 49) and Revolution (US 61 - the last Twelve built to the Grand Prix version of the International Rule), sailed by Tom Blackaller. The America II syndicate built three Twelves named after the yacht that started this all, the schooner America (Sail numbers US 42, 44 and 46, the latter of whch played "Geronimo" in the movie "Wind") I think that another American Twelve was campaigned by Rod Davis, but I'm vague about the details. Throughout all of these years, Courageous was updated and campaigned, becoming the grand dame of the American Twelve fleet. Please forgive any omissions. This is all off the top of my head, 21 years after the last Cup involving these beautiful yachts. Bottom line, Valiant (US 24, built for the 1970 defense but failed to win the Defense Trials) was the last American Twelve Metre built in wood. Every subsequent American Twelve was aluminum. (at least every one built for the America's Cup) John

The 12 Meter sailed by Rod Davis was Eagle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.242.171.45 (talk) 23:23, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

The yachts Magic and Spirit of America were built for the 1983 defense, not 1980. The fact that both of these boats proved slower than Freedom forced Conner to build yet another boat(Liberty). Source is 'Upset: Australia Wins the America's Cup" by Michael Levitt and Barbara Lloyd published by Workman Pub Co on Nov 1, 1983.Gwanur (talk) 02:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

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12-metre class or 12 Metre class?

The article title and the article's prose don't align (hyphen; capitalisation). Can I suggest that those with an interest in the topic resolve what it's supposed to be, and adjust prose and / or title accordingly? Schwede66 07:23, 20 August 2017 (UTC)