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• Image:Estação Ferroviária do Pinhão, Portugal.jpg is uncategorized since 25 December 2008. BotMultichillT (talk) 06:08, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
• Image:BSicon tKRZuy.svg was uncategorized on 27 October 2009.
• Image:BSicon KRZuy.svg was uncategorized on 27 October 2009.

File:Diagrama CP Lisboa.fv 0606.jpg

I have nominated the above image for deletion because it appears to be a derivative work. There's no indication that the mass-transit system has licensed the original sign with a free license that would permit commercial re-use and derivative works. The image is likely restrictively copyrighted.--Chaser (talk) 05:36, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello! Are you going to do the same about the countless such images, or am I the only lucky one? Tuvalkin (talk) 06:01, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Yours is the only image that I noticed with this problem when I cleared out Category:Flickr images needing human review. Why? What did you think?--Chaser (talk) 06:44, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Is this the only such snapshot in the Commons? A pic taken in a public area depicting “unlicensed” signage provided by a company? (In this case, a state-owned company, by the way.) Furthermore, is this blurry, unfocused, misframed, and reflection glaring snapshop hurting the company’s public signage authoriship rights in any way? Does its inclusion in relevant (or even irrelevant) Wikimedia projects play a role that is not essentially the same as pasting this diagram over each train door? Tuvalkin (talk) 01:28, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

You are not the only one. I have been deleting a lot of signs from Japan because of the derivative work issues. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 20:22, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

If you're looking for a solution, I'd suggest emailing them and asking them to relicense. Follow the instructions at Commons:OTRS. Send them Commons:Modelo de mensagem as a template and use google translate to send them a Portuguese response if you don't know the language.--Chaser (talk) 03:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

BSicon coherence

Hi, there are issues with icon coherence, but any change needs to be discussed so that stuff can be fixed with Chrisbot on en.wp and elsewhere. Can we leave the leave the rename request for en.wp so as to avoid multiple discussions about it? That being said, any icons I made I did my best tp make coherent, but it's not always possible, and not speaking German doesn't help. If you have an idea for coherence (especially where light and heavy rail meet), please share it. -mattbuck (Talk) 23:18, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

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Tusk?

I am now proud owner of a TUSC account! (Same kiel ĉi tie.)

Again needed? Okay: ( b2db58d7ccf00542d8311474b17e2096 ) --Tuvalkin (talk) 22:59, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

And again: ( 8bf863925aa851856d5aad9aa23cdd47 ) -- Tuválkin ✉ 06:24, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

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«I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!» (This doesn’t work so well.) -- Tuválkin ✉ 06:26, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

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FASTILY ^(TALK) 20:39, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

SVG disgarbaging

Boa tarde Tuvalkin, against all the rules I answer there because I do not know whether you look for an answer at my talk page. It is evident that you make efforts do create SVG graphics with reasonable sizes; I gave it a look and congratulate you for your success.
By that check I saw drawings with similar redundancies, e.g. BSicon exhRD1.svg. You may compare its 44 lines and 826 bytes with this coding (making exactly the same, 351 bytes):

<?xml version="1.0" standalone="no"?>
<svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="500" height="500">
<title>BS: Elevated cross over 2-lane road</title>
<path stroke="#A96" stroke-width="50" d="m0,250h150m200,0h150"/>
<path stroke="#80A080" stroke-width="60" d="m120,0v500m260,0V0"/>
<path stroke="#D77F7E" stroke-width="100" d="m250,0v500"/>
</svg>

Of course it is always possible to minimize SVG codings, sometimes it needs some skill. But you are doing a good work and you are on the right way. May be you are interested in Simplified SVG discussions or the other example collections.-- sarang사랑 18:12, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Bom dias Tuvalkin, just to show you I quickly simplified also BSicon RD1.svg and BSicon RD1lf.svg the same way, hoping it may be useful to you. If you have any question, fas favor address me. -- sarang사랑 09:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Commons:Upload

To avoid the long way of the upload wizard, you could put Commons:Upload on your personal page. --Havang(nl) (talk) 15:36, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

BSicon categories

Hello Tuvalkin,

with the root of Category:Icons for railway descriptions we have a huge category tree. It doesn't make any sense to overcategorize those categories. If you want to crosslink the categories add a description to the category or use galleries! axp_de^Hello! 18:04, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi! I agree with you 100%, I think, and that’s what I usually try to do — make the cats’ galleries as simple and useful to find BSicons as possible. What did I do wrong? :-) Tuvalkin (talk) 18:51, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

You added a second upper category to Category:Icons for railway descriptions/parallel railways/continuation. There is a simple rule how to categorize those BSicon categories: Just exchange the last '/' by a '|':

So [[Category:Icons for railway descriptions/parallel railways/continuation]] is perfectly categorized by [[Category:Icons for railway descriptions/parallel railways|continuation]] :) axp_de^Hello! 19:08, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

You actually telling me that being able to go directly from here to here and back is a bad thing?… Tuvalkin (talk) 20:51, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

File:BSicon_ÜW+r_yellow.svg

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Moneya (talk) 21:14, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

BSicon quote

Hi, could you please categorise and perhaps document {{BSicon quote}}? Thanks. Rd232 (talk) 19:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

file:BSicon exvBHFl.svg

Hey there. I piped in with an alternative rename proposal for that icon. The problem here is that transverse transfer station icons had not been created previously, and so the otherwise blatant problem of -l and -r meaning different things in these stations was overlooked. I still think tacking -l and -r to the end of the upright icons is the simplest way to go, even if it will result in cons ending in things like -rr. Circeus (talk) 16:14, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

File:BSicon_RP4uh.svg

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Dialnica (talk) 12:31, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

BSicon duplicate/bad name tagging

Please don't tag the BSicon obsolete redirects as bad name or otherwise disrupt the redirect, as the vast majority of them are used in other wikis, some extensively. I have undone two, please undo the rest. Thanks! Train2104 (talk) 18:51, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

No. None of those I tagged with bad name were used in any page/article unless those in catch-all lists and grids (where renaming is not expected or wanted), as I check global usage before tagging. Can you show me one instance of the contrary? If not, I’d appretiate you put back the bad name tagging. Thanks for your concern. --Tuvalkin (talk) 05:45, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Several BSicon are still heavily used. Unfortunaly the tagging lead to the delete of several BSicon that are still in use by Foroa ... a×p_de^Hello! 13:26, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Still, whats the best course to avoid neverending use of these image redirects in BSicons? Get a bot to replace the redirects with their proper targets? --Tuvalkin (talk) 03:27, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Example would be File:BSicon ACCe.svg and File:BSicon ACCa.svg. Train2104 (talk) 18:44, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Oops, I was wrong! I didnt look the global use for these two and probably a lot more. Apologies! --Tuvalkin (talk) 03:27, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

BSicon vÜWB*.svg

Hi, you are on a good way but still have some problems. May i help you with some ideas? -- sarang사랑 08:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Just to avoid an edit war: may I upload now another BSicon_vÜWBl.svg? -- sarang사랑 11:56, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead! This whole thing was a side-track for me, I'm working in a diff. set of icons, the  (vKRZl-KRZru)s, which use dashing natively and then I noticed many other icons, already made with masks, could benefit from this “trick”. --Tuvalkin (talk) 12:01, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Just leave  (uvÜWBl) unchanged for now, as I need it for example sake here. --Tuvalkin (talk) 12:02, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I will upload only BSicon_vÜWBl.svg.
If you have any questions, just contact me, I will try to answer. -- sarang사랑 12:09, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

It is crazy with BSicon vÜWBl.svg some sizes are rendered completely nonsenselike. -- sarang사랑 12:18, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Good grief!! The one at 120 seems to suffer from a condition that is usually effectively eliminated by using fill="none", AFAICT. Of course for open paths fill should not be an issue, but usually works. --Tuvalkin (talk) 12:21, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Now it seems better, and it's a pity that this eliminates the previous version :-) -- sarang사랑 12:30, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I should have screen-shot it, hehe! Gonna check what you did different. --Tuvalkin (talk) 12:32, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Just restore the 12:10 version if you like it more! Mysteriously the thumbnails seem to show always the last upload, not what they should show. -- sarang사랑 12:56, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Diff between the 12:10 and 12:25 (which finally did it) versions of  (vÜWBl) was adding the height — seems to be useful, then. OTOH I will start of going with your suggesion of not using the TITLE tag: It is practically identical to the filename, anyway, and tended even to be neglected. Plus, all necessary explanations and descriptions are in the project context, too. --Tuvalkin (talk) 12:47, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Ooops!!  (vÜWBl) looking very ungood at 20px high. Which is the default size for most projects… Yay, this is turning to be quite a challenge! ;-) --Tuvalkin (talk) 12:49, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

This needs action, while errors at other sizes won't care so much. I will give it another try immediately. But I am close to the end of my wisdom -- sarang사랑 12:56, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Okay, go for it. I was thinking of moving/repeating the fill="none" thing from the SVG level to each of the path objects. It is dumb, but all this is. --Tuvalkin (talk) 13:03, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I did something like that, I put some parts into a <g>-bracket. Maybe any change would heal the error — or cause another one. Now it looks o.k. on the file page (above and thumbs), and with 20px. I do not dare to check other sizes... -- sarang사랑 13:08, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Seems that librsvg didn't like one child object (the bridge) with a property changing the inherited value (dark red) set at top level. If that's the trick, I can live with that and avoid explicit break of heritage by (hopefully) clever use of gs to brackets siblings instead of property-marking at ancestor level. --Tuvalkin (talk) 13:17, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I do not really believe that this is the problem. It is rather astonishing that different sizes can initiate an error - or not.
All the librsvg errors come out at Wikimedia, not at offline testing. Uploading hundreds of tests just to find out the librsvg behavior seems to me not such a good idea. AFAIK very little changes in coding cause different errors; may be that very straight, simple coding avoids the errors, but nothing is sure. I got no real hope to understand the librsvg; but we ought to live with it... -- sarang사랑 13:44, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

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{{BSicon quote}}

Would it be possible to revise this template so that parameter 3 could also be used to supress the icon but not the text section?
{{BSicon quote|STR}} →  (STR)
{{BSicon quote|STR|0}} →
{{BS-q|STR|something}} → (STR)
Useddenim (talk) 12:38, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. I dont claim “ownership” over it! :-) Just make sure it stays synchronized in all projects and that the transcluded decumentation explains the new function. --Tuvalkin (talk) 18:32, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

For the record, I already altered the template so that absent icon do not show. Having an option for that would be useful though. Circeus (talk) 18:48, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I thought you’d done that already. Okay — like 1 in the 3rd param. makes the text monospaced blue in brackets, sounds easy. With link to the icon file, or not? --Tuvalkin (talk) 13:53, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Ah, yes. That's exactly what I wanted, with a link. (Or could that be made switchable? e.g. 1=link, 2=no link.) Useddenim (talk) 15:57, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Rename request for File:BSicon hRP4q.svg

Old bad name.

File:BSicon RP4hq.svg

New good name.

Dear Tuvalkin, you've requested to rename File:BSicon hRP4q.svg to File:BSicon RP4hq.svg. However, your request couldn't be carried out, because there's already another file with that name. Feel free to request a different renaming. Regards, Mathonius (talk) 11:13, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Sigh. I just love brainless bots tweaked to sound like they have something cogent to say. --Tuvalkin (talk) 11:43, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that's an appropriate response, I'm simply notifying you about this undo. Thanks anyway. Mathonius (talk) 11:59, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought you were a bot, really. Anyway, both icons’ differences are meaningless, and matters the name, which should be strictly descriptive. I’ll tag the bad one for deletion once all usage is fixed to the good one. Sorry about that. --Tuvalkin (talk) 12:02, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Apologies accepted, of course. I'm not a bot (or perhaps a rather complex and human-like one). Regards, Mathonius (talk) 12:14, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Note:   (RP4hq) is now   (SKRZ-G4uhq) -- Tuválkin ✉ 14:28, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Not rename request for File:BSicon exhRP2oa.svg

What's with this? You put a request on this page requesting that the file be renamed to the first link there, then when I tag the first one for deletion so that I can actually move the file to where you want it, you revert my edit. Why? Ajraddatz (talk) 22:54, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

You didn’t understand. If I wanted it deleted, I’d have put a deletion request — but I wanted it redirecting, so I put the redirecting tag on it: That was not a renaming request, that was a redirect. The good name is   (exhRP2oa) and it was unused, so I provisionally created the page with a redirect to the bad name   (exhRP2a). According to plan, the usage would be slowly changed to the good name, then a file (possibly with small graphical tweaks) would replace the redirect as   (exhRP2oa), and   (exhRP2a) would be phased out. That’s how it works, because diagram building relies on icon naming practices. --Tuvalkin (talk) 14:22, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

I understand what you want done now, but I still don't understand why you have the rename template on exhRP2a, when the usage hasn't been switched yet. I can remove that template if you'd like, but I assumed when I saw it that you wanted the file renamed, rather than wanting it to stay there for a while longer. That's why I tagged the redirect for deletion; so I could complete the move that you requested. Naturally, then, when you revert my tagging of the redirect I get confused, because I didn't, and still don't know what you want. Which name would you like the file to be at? You seem to want exhRP2a to be renamed, but when I actually get that process going, it seems that you don't want it renamed.

Also, if I were to rename it and leave exhRP2a as a redirect to exhRP2oa, it would work just as well, and be better in the long run since it would get it over with now. If you don't want exhRP2a moved, then I'll remove the tag. Thanks, Ajraddatz (talk) 15:11, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Hundereds of BSicons have been created with unsuitable names outstart, while even more had originally good names which become unsuitable upon naming scheme changes — made for the sake of increased clarity and widened applicability. What I did with these two filenames is routine work, and excuse me if the process is opaque for for you, but it is simpler and way faster than just let it go than explaining it all every time. FWIW, the usual renaming/moving operations (like commonsDelinker) here don’t work because the more often and relevant usage of these icons is within Template:BS templates (see Category:Rail routemap templates), where the icon files are called not by name but by their icon ID (that's the filename minus "BSicon_" and ".svg"). That’s what’s about a slow changeover process, because it needs to be done mannually, or using specialized bots. --Tuvalkin (talk) 16:55, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Alright, in that case, I'll leave you be and let your sort out your requests. That would be easier than me blundering around more. Thanks for your time, Ajraddatz (talk) 17:03, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

librsvg offline check

Hi Tuvalkin, SVGofflinecheck is recommended and it works fine. -- sarang사랑 09:54, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for this. Sadly it failed me at 1st try, showing this correctly while once uploaded to Commons…  (KRZhl). --Tuvalkin (talk) 11:20, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this special bug depends on the rendered PNG size; therefore the tool is not so helpful as desired. -- sarang사랑 12:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

BSicon renaming

Hi there, I have processed all your renaming request except File:BSicon hRP4q.svg. The requested new name which is File:BSicon RP4hq.svg has a slightly different file. Please review your request. Thanks. --Bencmq (talk) 11:15, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

No, I’m not reviewing my request. If you care to take a second look to that matter at hand you’d notice that the mentioned differences are irrelevant — and actually neither is good, as white dashes should be drawn in such a way that icons tilable and halvable. Your change, removing my renaming request says that I’m too dumb to notice that the white dashes’ differences, or that you’re not assuming good faith on my part. Well, I can upload a corrected, identical version of the image to both filenames, if that makes thing simpler for you. --Tuvalkin (talk) 22:36, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Done. --Tuvalkin (talk) 22:50, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Moved --Bencmq (talk) 07:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! --Tuvalkin (talk) 13:06, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Parallel rail proposal

I'd appreciate some thought on a preliminary version of my naming scheme for parallel lines. The goal is to narrow as much as possible the use of "combo" names and eliminate the dash as a prefix/suffix. Circeus (talk) 16:19, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

(!)

Putting this out here (since I don't think attracting the attention of the whole BSicon crew is necessary): why not make   (RP2o(!)) (RP2o)^{(update -- Tuválkin ✉ 02:55, 24 June 2012 (UTC))} into   (RP2BRÜCKE)? Fortunately if the renaming scheme gets through, these kind of thing will become Gx+the appropriate rail root, so   (G2BRK), this will also fix your   (hRP2(!)) (which should be   (hRP2q(!)), btw) to   (hG2q). Circeus (talk) 00:53, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, these "(!)" names are to be changed. In both cases the logical name was already taken by a rail crossing — indeeed this is what prompted me to change to separate root names for icons showing road-only and road-crossing-rail:

•  (RP2o) ≠  (SKRZ-G2o)^{renamed -- Tuválkin ✉ 18:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC) and -- Tuválkin ✉ 02:55, 24 June 2012 (UTC)}
•   (hRP2(!)) ≠  (hRP2) (you’re right, it should be  (hRP2q))^{already renamed and deleted}

Also — take a peek at Category talk:Icons for motorway descriptions/generic/crossing rail#Roads across rail forks — there’s a question for you there. --Tuvalkin (talk) 01:04, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

File:BSicon hRP2oa.svg

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Papatt (talk) 04:12, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

File:BSicon vBS2+lr.svg

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JuTa 03:20, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

File:BSicon vBS2lr.svg

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JuTa 03:24, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Re: names

Regarding User:Circeus/BSicon_renaming/Generic and the other non-rail icon pages, I'm only collating them for reference ATM, I'll see about names later. Circeus (talk) 02:52, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Also here's a random though I'd like to have your opinion on: I realizes that  (RP4) Is, conceptually, almost the same as v-+ (RP2). I'm not sure if this is a terrible idea or not yet (i.e. because maybe later we WILL want vRP2 icons), but it WOULD make it possible to have transitions (but maybe v- should be JUST for transition? or maybe we can recycle m- in a new meaning for generic roads?). It WOULD be a potential elegant way to get rid of another root, but I do have a suspicion we'll run into unexpected problems later. Circeus (talk) 02:10, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, yes. I’m all for elegance, but wanting to conflate too many things on a different name (namely road staights and their crossing with rail) led me to the nned of massive renaming I stared a few months back. I think the best course of action is to think hard and bold, concerning possible renamings, but keep a conservative approach, for now. I noticed these “generic” icons are getting used more and more, and maybe they will be picked up for other uses, like road-only diagrams (for which they were not planned). In time, the needs be made clear, both in terms of naming practices and even in icon repertoire. Transitions are definitely in my mind — will be soon creating and uploading icons for them:  (RP4q) to  (RP2q) would be named, conservatively,   (RP24q), or already something using your "G#" names, depending on how soon these new icons will be added. --Tuvalkin (talk) 02:53, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

At the moment, v- and m- are not clear to me, concerning their possible road meaning. But I always like to see your proposals. --Tuvalkin (talk) 02:55, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I'd be careful about such combinations as -24q, which are liable to cause trouble because multiple numbers appear in various suffix combinations for angles. Maybe w- is a convenient use here (since it also happens to fit the english word "widening"), but I agree keeping it as conservative as possible for the time is a sound approach (I,m not entirely sure I'll actually get through the proposal, much less that it will be accepted!).

FWIW, I'll probably end having things be that the base root replaces STR (being freed by the use of suffixes for crossings), and is prefixed to roots such as ABZ/KRZ.

For a vague idea of the range of things that may require icons, you might want to look at User:Circeus/BSicon renaming/Red and User:Circeus/BSicon renaming/Blue. The former is not used very much ATM and the latter not at all. Personally I'm all for having a generic set replacing these completely, by you can't argue the elegance of some of those interchange designs. Circeus (talk) 04:57, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I've uploaded the new icon   (vRP4)  (vRP2) with the idea that a rail icon could go in the middle to indicate centre-of-the-road running: (vRP2※ uSTR)  Useddenim (talk) 15:53, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

It should be  (vRP2). You could only fit the icon that should bear the name vRP4 on a b- icon. Circeus (talk) 17:36, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

 Done Useddenim (talk) 04:13, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

BSicons rename

You're welcome :) --Dэя-Бøяg 23:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Warning

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BSICONs

Crap. Made the rename requests. Circeus (talk) 21:35, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

en:Wikipedia:Route_diagram_template/Catalog_of_pictograms/generic_roads

Done and ready for proofing and then linking to. Useddenim (talk) 05:19, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Wow, this is great. Many naming inconsistencies (which I knew were there, but still) get well highlighted, and it makes it easier to plan renamings, especially in the road-only icons. Concerning the road×rail crossings, you checked Category_talk:Icons_for_motorway_descriptions/generic/crossing_rail#Road_crossing_straights, I suppose? -- Tuválkin ✉ 06:43, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Um, no... not yet. Useddenim (talk) 14:23, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

WRT the talk page, I had suggested SPL (en: SPLit; de: SPaLten) as a new root for forks (  (vSTRa) etc.), but other than Circeus (talk) not liking it, no-one else has weighed in. Useddenim (talk) 14:43, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I have actually figured a way to fix it (namely using g/f with the directional rules for horizontal icons), but didn't get back to my proposal in a while. Circeus (talk) 14:51, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

File:Lisbon Metro(Portugal 1994).jpg

Como é que conseguiste identificar a estação?? Já tinha andado de volta dessa foto mas não tinha conseguido chegar a nenhuma conclusão. Cumps, EuTuga ^msg 18:21, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Pá, esta identificação é estritamente "original research" e "carece de fontes": Eu por estas altura trabalhava numa revista q tinha a redação na Rua do Comércio e vinha de metro, saía nos restauradores e ia a pé pela Rua Augusta (se fosse agora!). Lembro-me desta ceguinha, que lá estava todos os dias. Este corredor é no átrio sul na entrada do lado do Teatro e do kiosk da ABEP. A seguir, do lado esquerdo, havia um átrio e portas de acesso a umas retretes públicas muito fedorentas. Aliás, esta parte aqui ainda nem é do ML, mas do estacionamento subterrâneo — a entrada na área do metro conhecia-se por um portão e um desnível, se bem me lembro. -- Tuválkin ✉ 00:26, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Rs rs, lembro-me da parte do estacionamento subterrâneo e das retretes fedorentas. Esse corredor terá sido mexido durante a remodelação de 1994? Se for esse o caso o aspeto hoje em dia já não deve ter nada a ver... em todo o caso vou tentar dar lá um saltinho um dia destes para tentar confirmar.

Tive uma situação parecida a tentar identificar esta. Quando vi a foto pela primeira vez fiquei convencidissimo que era da estação Avenida porque me lembrava de ver arbustos destes na Av. da Liberdade, mas como o logotipo foi trocado quando a estação teve em obras há uns anos e estes arbustos estão espalhados pela cidade toda, na altura acabei por desistir por falta de provas. Só recentemente é que voltei a olhar para a imagem e reparei naquelas janelas coloridas ao fundo, e lembrei-me de usar o Google Street View para as tentar encontrar nos edifícios ali à volta — e não é que elas estão mesmo lá? EuTuga ^msg 01:05, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Chamaerops humilis, a Palmeira-das-vassouras, sim, muito comum. As varandas com vitrais é que denunciam a coisa. Boa! Restauradores Sul foi todo mudado, sim, mas já em 1998 (diz aqui: pt:Estação Restauradores). -- Tuválkin ✉ 04:53, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Boas! Entretanto não voltei a dizer nada sobre este assunto, mas não estive parado. Um dia destes fui lá e dei a volta completa ao átrio sul de Restauradores. Só vejo duas hipóteses: ou foi tudo completamente mexido em 1998, ou então isto não é Restauradores. Os acessos desse átrio são quase todos curvos, e os que não são: a) não dão diretamente para a rua; ou b) são bem mais largos ou mais curtos do que aparece na foto, incluindo o do estacionamento. Por outro lado, aproveitei para ir espreitar a Avenida ali ao lado, e fiquei bastante impressionado tanto pela cor da pastilha de vidraço nas paredes como por um dos acessos do átrio norte, que me parece ter uma disposição muito parecida com a foto. Mas lá está, Avenida também foi mexida recentemente. Nada de mais, não mexeram na estrutura, mas limparam as paredes, trocaram as caleiras e as portas/portinholas, mudaram a iluminação, refizeram o chão... e não é possível ter a certeza absoluta. EuTuga ^msg 02:51, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

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kSTRq+l is still a straight with corner

Hi, Tuvalkin. You modified a list in JAWP [1], but the conflict is still there. kSTRq+l must be a curve icon as we suppose, in line with (exkSTRq+l), but still appears as a horizontal straight line with a corner. Or now you are working to settle that issue? --Maxima m (talk) 10:55, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Oh, excuse me. I now notice your requests etc. there Talk:BSicon/Renaming#kSTRq.2Br:_Naming_conflict. I agree, this should be solved, probably one of the most urgent BSicon issues. --Maxima m (talk) 11:03, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Filemover right

You should request the filemover right. You have 7000+ edits and are autopatrolled, and you do a large volume of move requests, so I don't see anyone denying you this right if you request it. This would make things easier for everyone. INeverCry 18:41, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Eh, sorry about that. I don’t mind make things easier for everyone, that’s for sure. What should I do to intitiate the request for these filemover rights? -- Tuválkin ✉ 23:08, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Also: Get well soon! -- Tuválkin ✉ 23:14, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I don't really mind moving these for you, but I figured it would actually be easier for you if you could re-name these on your own.

Here's what you do: go to Commons:Requests for rights#Filemover. Click on [add request]. Then fill in the template: {{subst:rfr|Tuvalkin|I've done a large number of rename requests to harmonize the file names of sets of SVG files, and I would like to have the filemover right so that I can do these re-names myself.}} Thank you. ~~~~ (You could copy-and-paste this).

That should work, though, of course, you can write your own reason if you want. I can't see why anyone would vote no. INeverCry 23:32, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Done! Thanks for the tip, and for the trust! -- Tuválkin ✉ 00:14, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Looks like you're now a filemover, and it only took a few minutes! I think I'll leave you something to go with it (see below). INeverCry 01:00, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Awsome!, thanks! B-D Now a tech question: Where do I find the filemove requests other ppl make? Or they find me? -- Tuválkin ✉ 01:10, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

See here: Category:Media requiring renaming. INeverCry 02:04, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

	The Technical Barnstar
	For all your BSicon work. INeverCry 01:00, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Wow! -- Tuválkin ✉ 01:05, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Design oddity

I'm looking at the new -u (empty bridge) road icons and (aside from the naming issue I see in the BRÜCKEu naming convention) I notice that the horizontal and vertical icons are different when basic BSicon design principles say they ought to be the same... Compare  (RP1u) and  (RP1uq) and you can immediately see the issue. Circeus (talk) 22:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

That hapened because I'm dumb and ditzy. I had already noticed, and will fix it ASAP. The tighter bridge, by the way, is the good one. -- Tuválkin ✉ 01:05, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

In which I’m named a troll…

Keeping this here because it was removed from its original location. -- Tuválkin ✉ 01:19, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Stop bogus vectoring

What you did here was *not* a good thing. “Vectoring” is not magic — you simply don’t turn raster data into usable contours just by creating a vector for every pixel. Stop this, if you’re not going to do it properly. -- Tuválkin ✉ 01:50, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Meanwhile I saw this. Never mind, then. Cannot fight this level of idiocy. -- Tuválkin ✉ 02:00, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

• I haven't tried vectoring in close to a year. Please Assume good faith and try to be civil. Did you look at the age of the file?Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:14, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

To “assume good faith” is a codeword to pander to idiocy — I’m not doing it. It undermines the project, hinders improvement of both our work and our skills. If I see something wrongly made I’ll warn the culprit, without baby gloves. — I will apologize for any misassumption, but I will never take back harsh words about any work deserving them, such as this bogus vectorization.

In this case, I did however something better than “assuming good faith”. I actually remade this map from scratch (File:RBiasutti1940.png), rescuing it from yours and The Ogre’s clueless attempts. -- Tuválkin ✉ 20:29, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

TRR icons

Do you have any objection to using my design over the original? Useddenim (talk) 00:30, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

No objection. I like yours better, it gives the “radio dial / sliding rule” feel these things need to have. -- Tuválkin ✉ 00:57, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Duplicate files

Hey there. I'm going through the DRs from the 22nd. Wanted to stop by and let you know for the future that exact duplicates can be placed up for speedy deletion. If you do it that way, it's much easier on the admins, as the speedy template for duplicates has some clever coding built into it to assist with cleanup. Thanks for all your hard work! Sven Manguard Wha? 01:30, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I’ll do that. Thanks for the tip. -- Tuválkin ✉ 13:40, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

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White trams

The SNCV trams, (Mariemont Tram.jpg) where not really white but a light yellow (and a bit brownish). The precise tone varies with age and particular paint they used at the depot and the ligthing conditions at the time of the picture. Slides discolour with age and one tries to correct this digitaly. It is actually very dificult to recontruct the precise colour at the time. The human memory is not that precise.Smiley.toerist (talk) 23:07, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

These categories of Trams by color should idealy include only inventoried liveries for each tram company/era/sponsor, and a few one-offs (art projects, private owned, etc.). In this case, maybe a special category for SNCV liveries could be created to include all relevant photos and added under white/yellow/brown etc., kind of like the specific STCP livery was. Thanks for your input! -- Tuválkin ✉ 14:05, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Useddenim#Reverts

You might be interested in weighing in on this discussion. Useddenim (talk) 13:15, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Palermo tram on a truck

yes, the category is no right, i have delete it, thank you and sorry :). happy holidays see you soon --Pava (talk) 13:47, 26 December 2012 (UTC) ah ok, you have already delete it. goodbye --Pava (talk) 13:58, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

File:BSicon vBHFa-KBHFxe.svg

Now there's an interesting one! In my proposal, the clearest render would be xvSTRa+vBHF (+ being used to connect layered roots). Alternatively, something based on xvBHFa that can somehow distinguish between the   (xvSTRa) and   (evSTRa) variants? Circeus (talk) 08:10, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, don't read too much in the name I chose: I just needed this icon and cobbled up whtever seemd to fit the existing scheme. Feel free to discuss and rename! :-) -- Tuválkin ✉ 11:18, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

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Re this, this, and this: Thank you. AlgaeGraphix (talk) 20:42, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

question

Of course, If the user who owns the page wants, he can add a template who forbid bots to edit there, but that wont stop edits like mine, since I'm not a bot. Béria Lima ^msg 00:18, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Problema com o Tm

Raios partam o Tm e o comportamento dele. É mais casmurro do que uma parede de cimento, ainda pior do que eu, e insiste em categorizar e descategorizar sem lógica, e a não responder às mensagens. Eu sei que já existiram processos de bloqueio contra ele no passado, sabes de algum que esteja a decorrer agora? Ele pode ter contribuído muito no passado, com as imagens do Flickr e tal, mas o comportamento dele está a pedir um bloqueio bem grande... dependesse de mim, já o tinha metido no olho da rua... definitivamente. -- Ajpvalente (talk) 16:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Só posso dizer q concordo, pá. O tipo avia imagens do Flickr assim em monte, espeta-lhes com uma ou duas categorias mal amanhadas, e siga. Eu, para além de limpar a categorização que ele faz de fotos de temas ferroviários, especialmente elétricos de Lisboa (que é uma ínfima fração daquilo que ele carrega do Flickr), tive apenas uma “pega” com ele acerca desta foto, que ele insistia em categorizar como Category:Elevador do Lavra: Acabei por me vir forçado a estudar bem o assunto e criar Category:Elevador do Lavra national monument area, o que acabou por ser uma coisa positiva, vá lá. Não sei se neste momento ele está bloqueado, mas pelo menos a página dele poderia editar, para respostas — não q ele seja muito de dialogar, talvez melhor assim sendo. (Acabo de entrar hoje e não estou a ver o caso concreto que te preocupa, mas tentarei ajudar mais, se puder.) -- Tuválkin ✉ 01:04, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

• Congele o inferno e voem os porcos (e as galinhas zangadas)! O homem respondeu-me! O caso que te estava a falar era sobre uma imagem que era claramente da Estação de Santos, na Linha de Cascais, que eu categorizei como tal e que ele depois retirou a categoria... mas entretanto ele respondeu-me a dizer que se tinha enganado. Bem, se ele se abre ao diálogo, é uma excelente notícia, e é sinal que afinal ainda tem remédio. -- Ajpvalente (talk) 08:12, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

mer<br />ge

Re this: 902 Do not divide one-syllable words.

Useddenim (talk) 14:17, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I do appreciate these details (typesetter by trade, actually). You didn’t have to take the trouble and dig this reference out, it is a backstage envelope-back scribbling, that table. Anyway, I found a better solution, will show up once I finish the current edit. (Although it is two syllables: "mer+ge"; only current pronounciation practice makes it sound like "murj", which would sound really off to Chaucer, I bet!) -- Tuválkin ✉ 14:25, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

It was no trouble at all, as it is one of the few reference books that I kept from high school, and the one that I use most often (after almost 40 years!). I could have also looked it up in Strunk & White's "The Elements of Style", but I find that Sabin is more clearly written and easier to use. Of course, it's a constant battle against the repository of poor writing that Wikipedia has become. Useddenim (talk) 19:58, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

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Yann (talk) 06:11, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Special colour trams

The Lyon tramway (TCL) has the habit of having one tram in a special colour. All other trams are in white. There is only one silver Citadis 402 tram. I have also added the special "gold" tram. See discussion. Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:29, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

What’s wrong with this picture?

(LSTR2)	(exLSTR2)	(uLSTR2)	(uexLSTR2)
(lKMW)	(lexKMW)	(luKMW)	(luexKMW)

AFAIK, all previously existing LÜECKE prefixes are between u/e/x and the ROOT. Useddenim (talk) 14:09, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi! That’s not lücke, that’s legende. We ’ve been discussing the letter, but not its placement. There were a few lFOO icons already, all of them with the "l" before anything else, so I did the same. Of course when I tried to use these in an BSa template, it would’t work. But I don’t insist about it, lets discuss the placement, too. -- Tuválkin ✉ 19:24, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Of course. (Doh!) And a compelling illustration of why not to use the letter L. Useddenim (talk) 22:12, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

BHF green

You have replaced BHF_green by fBHF in several hundreds of pages in Russian Wikipedia. What was the cause? Vorval 0 (talk) 22:34, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

See Talk:BSicon/Colors#Greens. Useddenim (talk) 01:03, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Maybe this renaming is valid. But Russian Wikipedia (and some others) has flagged revisions enabled. As your account hasn't required flags in Russian Wikipedia some of your edits wasn't patrolled automatically. This cause following issues:

1. Each unpatrolled page (tens of pages) must be patrolled manually by someone. Also any edit of templates with laconic edit summary requires considerable time for analyzing. For example I spent about 10-15 minutes for analysis of what your single edit have changed.
2. Some pages can be stabilized (unregistered users sees latest patrolled version instead latest version). If you have edited such page it has become corrupted after removal of redirection for every unregistered reader.

These issues are avoidable if edits are performed by bot-account. So, if you will make alike file renaming, please, charge it to some account having bot flag. Vorval 0 (talk) 21:55, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

I hope it is easy to set up, that bot thing — although I would surely enjoy making these renamings automaticly. As for page patrolling, well, don’t get me wrong, but that is a tool for ensuring encyclopedic quality — and 99% of the pages I edited were very very low in any quality scale (mostly being abbandoned user sandboxes, really). Thanks for your advise, though.

About the name changes: ICON_green was unified with fICON, as both name sets existed and there were confusing and misleading duplicates. Anyway, the group of editors behind most of the BSicon work include an active Russian wikipedia element, so you are not unsupported.

-- Tuválkin ✉ 22:49, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

ABZ+lq ruby

Shouldn't   (ABZ+lq ruby) be  (ABZq+l ruby)? Per User:Circeus/BSicon renaming/Simple junctions. I've just moved two other to  (ABZqr brown) &  (ABZql brown). YLSS (talk) 21:20, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Ah, yes, you’re right. As a brave defender of a wider user for "q", I should be more careful about its placement! :-\ Thanks for the tip! -- Tuválkin ✉ 21:25, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

ABZrf brown

Too soon! I could've re-uploaded it myself, you know. But know the remains at ru.wp are not so much remains and possibly won't get speedy deleted. YLSS (talk) 16:30, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought you forgot! Only after I uploaded I noticed you had been working on it only a few minutes before. If it speeds up the deletion of the orginal in wp:ru, it can be reverted — np! -- Tuválkin ✉ 16:38, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Okay,  reverted. It can be easily revived to the proper color and better SVG once it gets deleted (as duplicate) in wp:ru. -- Tuválkin ✉ 16:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Renomeação de ficheiros

Olha lá, não sabia que tu tinhas possibilidade de andar a mover os nomes aos ficheiros. Eu próprio estive quase também a pedir essa categoria, mas pelos vistos é melhor não o fazer... Eu já ando há vários meses a pedir para mudar os nomes aos ficheiros, mais coisa menos coisa um por dia. A minha lista está quase completa, só faltam umas poucas imagens com problemas, a maioria dos ficheiros trazidos da Ferropedia que ficaram com uns nomes esquisitos (esta, por exemplo: [2]). Mas não percebo o teu problema com isto: é de renomear para inglês, ou de renomear de todo? Se achares melhor que as futuras renomeações sejam todas para português, posso fazer isso sem qualquer problema - não me importa o idioma em que estão os nomes dos ficheiros, desde que não estejam em código (como os DSC 123456), ou com nomes "artísticos", que infelizmente são a maior parte dos ficheiros passados do Flickr. -- Ajpvalente (talk) 22:25, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

É verdade sou file mover — às vezes esqueço-me da seca que passava antes de ser, e que muitos dos outros não são. Deram-me esta cena por andar sempre a pedir a outros renomeações de BSicons. Admito q fico picado quando o nome que eu próprio escolhi qd carreguei a imagem do Flickr é alterado (muitas vezes fotos minhas), especialmente se o novo contraria certos princípios:

• Nomes longos e com espaços arriscam-se a ficar quebrados quando são utilizados em artigos
• Os nomes não têm de ser em inglês; renomear coisas como "ArmazemViveres" para "SuppliesWarehouse" vai contra a política do Commons que é, in a nutshell, que será em inglês tudo o q que tiver mesmo de ser (nom./ discussões e categorias genéricas — e não é pouco) e nada mais.
• Tens razão quanto a números — nas minhas fotos do Flickr, carregadas por mim, tenho mantido uma numeração puramente pessoal (tipo "fv_X123") — vou deixar de fazer isso. Nota porrém que números (talvez dia e hora) serão um dia inevitáveis quando tivermos 400 fotos da "CP5612&vagoesCimento@Pampilhosa(noite2009).jpg".
• Por outro lado, filenames não são títulos, nem mesmo legendas (e voltamos ao ponto 1.)
• Chateia-me q se renomeiem as minhas fotos mas que ninguém tenha lata de renomear as de um certo prolífico e talentoso (e generoso) train spotter, que apõe o seu nome em todos os filenames (ao menos retire-se "Flickr"?)…
• Por princício só renomeio filenames mesmo maus — coisas como "DSC 123456" ou erros flagrantes. Mesmo qd o faço tento respeitar ao máximo o original: Já cheguei a corrigir o nome de uma foto de elétricos de Lisboa mas mantendo-o em italiano!

Não sei se ficou registado algures o meu longo rant quando re-mudei o nome q tinhas dado à 1973 na Bobadela — de facto aqui é no terminal de contentores, não na estação (q é um apeadeiro, na prática), e "1973" assim parece um ano, tive de lhe meter "CP". -- Tuválkin ✉ 00:35, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

• Estou a compreender. Obrigado pelas indicações, as regras não são muito compreensivas, e podem dar azo a estas situações; sinceramente, também nunca percebi ao certo quais eram as regras para os idiomas, uma vez que quase sempre os renomeadores aceitavam as minhas sugestões para os novos nomes, em inglês e português. Mas, para mim, isto de renomear é apenas uma pequena melhoria, pouco significante (uma vez que, como tu dizes, já existe a legenda), mais importante é retirar as marcas de água, que ficam extremamente inestéticas, especialmente nos artigos da Wikipédia. -- Ajpvalente (talk) 08:47, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

ABZf+l TUNNELa

If you are planning to move   (ABZf+l TUNNELa yellow+red) to some sane name, please also move   (ABZf+l TUNNELa orange). I was unable to find any other such icons; the red one apparently got moved and then deleted. Good work with salvaging yellow+red; set yellow gets really big :) YLSS (talk) 21:59, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

The consensus is usually that such icons, that present two separate elements in one single cell, should not exist. I agree with this slityly less than 100%, but I thought it is better to integrate the colors 1st, and lather analyze its semantics and topology, and lastly delete or properly name. The same for that orange one. So, we’re good. -- Tuválkin ✉ 22:04, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

BTW, I guess  (ABZ-CONTqr) that I salvaged from ru.wp is also up for deletion? Bad news for its uploader - that was his only contribution to the world of BSicons. YLSS (talk) 22:29, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

I remember that icon. I replaced its usage with a  (STRlg) super imposed on a  (dSTRq) and then a   (dCONTl) on the next cell — resulting in the exact same looks and therefore cheating on the “rule” that says that those isons should not exist. But, like I said, I’m only 99% against that kind of icons. ;-) As for the creatoir — well, if he wants to make icons, there’s a lot of useful ones needed. -- Tuválkin ✉ 01:47, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

mtKRZuq +yellow

(I guess your talk page can boast the most extravagant section titles.) Shouldn't   (mtKRZuq +yellow) rather be "yellow+", if I understand your naming logic right? YLSS (talk) 12:40, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

I think I didn’t go against my own naming suggestion in this one… :-) It is "uq" instead of "o" because precedence is given to the normal-red line; the hanging "+" leaves a ghost space for "normalred+yellow", which is not written in full. If it were  , I’d call it mKRZuq red+brown (or actually mKRZo brown+red, as there is no precedence of red over, brown, and then direction takes precedence).-- Tuválkin ✉ 16:06, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

According to axpde, top-to-bottom takes precedence over across. Useddenim (talk) 13:37, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

That works too:   (mtKRZuq +yellow) could be mtKRZo yellow+. However, setting the precedence to favor not a direction+sense but a color, which is simpler to judge, or having a way to express that precedence (as in, say, grey+purple vs. purple+grey) makes it easier for more complex two-color (or many-color) icons, such as those featuring stations. -- Tuválkin ✉ 16:06, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

CSD rationale

Hi Tuvalkin. On some of these BSicon redirect CSDs, you give the following deletion reason: "Unused redirect (used only in a few non-article pages, grabbag lists within discussions of nomenclature, where it is supposed to redlink once deleted, and/or in icon repertoires, abandoned and/or slaved to other projects’, and/or in unmantained or locked user sandboxes)". This is too long, and the software won't accept it. You have to keep the deletion reason under 255 characters. On these long ones, I've had to just cut it down to "unused redirect". Thanks for your time. INeverCry 20:11, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks for the heads up. I was not aware of a size limit. I kept adding to that rationale (which I tend to blanket use) to make sure these were not frivolous or abusive deletions and to justify how it can be «unused» and yet show up in global use. I managed to reduce that blahblah to 253 chars now. -- Tuválkin ✉ 15:04, 19 March 2013 (UTC)