User talk:Penyulap

Embargo.

All uploads.

Being blocked because some genius cannot sign their own name and refuses to, and some admin blocks me because they want to name-call as if it were some kind of problem solving revelation is an unacceptable working environment. No further work will be uploaded to commons, except (just maybe) awards and human rights work. For other stuff, try the few if any remaining artists, or maybe this place they do some simple stuff free, probably two or three pics before they get wise. For work of this quality, good luck finding anyone willing to do it for less than four figures, let alone for free. Even this logo , which I made in ten minutes for the sole purpose of saying how easy to make, and crappy, this apple logo is , is worth $150 (or $900 on a standard hourly rate). So have yourselves a fun time and a lovely little consensus that 'everything can't be done, can't be drawn, and is impossible'. example, example. Eventually you can just steal work from the Internet like on en.wiki, on the premise that there is nobody who can draw free CGI images. Have to steal this because nobody can draw space stations. "Replaceable ? Not with a free image" it says. Free space station 1, Free space station 2, free satellite. Drive all the artists away to make "not replaceable with a free image" a reality. As a community, commons, like en.wiki can't regulate itself. I have better things to do with my friends and spare time than put up with this shit. The embargo will only be reviewed after that admin's next de-sysop discussion, if at all. Penyulap ☏ 07:07, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm interested in the human rights works. :) J Kadavoor J e e 07:27, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

other stuff

The direct INVOLVED behaviour of ‎MichaelMaggs who created this escalation and is named in the original complaint is, I believe, an absolutely transparent distortion of the community consensus reached at ANU. I believe this escalation is a deliberate trolling of Ottava to make him upset and use THAT as justification, rather than any pre-existing misbehaviour. Walter Siegmund makes that perfectly clear by using Ottava's response AS justification, rather than any pre-existing misbehaviour. Could you people be any more blatant and drag down commons public reputation if you tried ? I don't think so. In my opinion, Ottava's behaviour, given the circumstances, is well above average. This level of misbehaviour by a bureaucrat would be difficult for any editor to cope with, and I do not believe for one second it should be tolerated.

I expect the level of deliberate trolling activity by Fae and ‎MichaelMaggs will work too. ‎MichaelMaggs, after his blatant disregard for INVOLVED policy standards, went on to trolling just, was it even one day later Michaelmaggs? I don't think it's been 24 hours has it, before you try badge of shaming an editor who is not under any restriction of any kind, in what is obviously to me, and I'm sure many others, "transparent revenge". I said previously "It boggles the mind to think of how, but history shows when you think you've seen it all, they come up with something even more perplexing." and Bravo MichaelMaggs, you've come up with something even more obvious and transparent to destroy commons. Well done.

Commercial Work Embargo

I'm placing an embargo on any work that has a substantial commercial value whilst the community allows an admin to harass a long time respected contributor off the project. note 1 note 2. I'll make exceptions for human rights related work, do awards, some work for friends, and humorous work, but if you need something else try the GFX lab, or if it's something only I can do, try the phone book. A mid-life crisis, or protest against the WMF, or whatever the reason (make up your own mind) doesn't give people the right to kick people off the project, delete everything on their talk and user pages and delete their well deserved awards. Deleting a Barnstar on the premise it is not educational is a spiteful misuse of admin tools.
The Embargo will remain in place for 12 months beginning with Toms last contribution, or until the tools are taken away, whichever comes first. Penyulap ☏

how many times are you allowed to stand up for what is right before you get a gag order

Come up with too many ideas on improving Commons at the village pump and you'll get If you don't like Commons, please kindly fuck off and quit whining about it. -mattbuck (Talk) 11:07, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

(Policy is an abstraction that exists on a planet far, far away)

Q. How many times are you allowed to stand up for what is right before you get a gag order

A. Not many.

Stand up for what is blatantly correct at the Admin Noticeboard too many times and the same admin will gag you. the same 'fuck off' admin.

For some reason double voting in admin elections is A-OK and No action is required

Wiki failed long ago. The whole project in Feb 2007 attracted 22 thousand new editors, the next year it fell to 20 thousand. This year it was 13 thousand. If you think there is anything wrong with that "fuck off and quit whining".

Best thing about having to endure this police-state jail, is that you don't have to.

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farewell

Please consider posting (or discussing) the following comment and link on the appropriate talkpage, within a quotation box.

I rejoice that so many of us can understand those who we cannot understand. While I always had one foot upon the digital earth, and one foot in the digital heaven, and now I have left to try to prepare the way for those who may follow me there, I hope that we can once again understand what we cannot understand, and if we cannot do it in the place I try to prepare, then I hope we can cross paths again just the same before I lift my other foot from the Real earth beneath us.

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Penyulap ☏

short story

There was a vet, the very best training, the finest surgery, all the latest tools, medicines and equipment.

I went and caught a wild bird, I put it into a box and rushed it to him. I said "this bird is about to die from shock, it is a wild bird and I want you to save it, money is no object, I will pay anything you ask to save it"

I left him a large sum and he took the bird into his clinic. The next day, despite every effort he made to save the bird, it died. I could have asked him why it died, paid for an autopsy, theorised, but it would make no difference.

The bird was dead and I was right.

opinion

I Would like to here your opinion here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Levant_Map.png

and

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:IspifoneyFlag.jpg

‎GhiathArodaki‎ (talk) 20:20, 11 April 2013

Start trolling

the project needs your help to find more porcupine pornography Canoe. Don't let us down.!

I mean fishing for 60 year old images. This one may need the best resolution we can find when it is confirmed PD. Now you have me doing porn!--Canoe1967 (talk) 03:29, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not into people-porn, it's one of those cosmic God-laughs-at-you things. My culture is like, 'porn ? forget it'. So naturally I have the Graphics abilities to undress anyone I want in the twinkling of an eye, and don't care to. ;) Don't'cha just hate that ?

Penyulap ☏ 03:37, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was just kidding. We have a fair use image in her en:wp article and it is being brought into question. I starting investigating and discovered that it is probably PD. We should know in the next few days hopefully. Once Playboy gets word they will probably lawyer up, contact OTRS for takedown, and whine to Mr. Wales etc. They may get egg on face when we do find a no-notice version though.--Canoe1967 (talk) 04:02, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm thinking that if the picture is out of a magazine and you opened the magazine to the first page or two, you'd find the copyright notice, so I can't see your stunt has a bright future. Stick to animal porn ! go find some bovine bondage or spanky snakes or ogling owls and so on, the project needs Your help. Penyulap ☏ 04:11, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That copyright ruling seems weird to many. If any version was published without proper copyright markings then all versions of the same 2D image are public domain and can never be copyrighted again. I just need to find an 'any'. Link to law.--Canoe1967 (talk) 04:30, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The son of the photographer showed up at the DR and confirmed that all official versions had proper copyright marks. They have won in court a few times on the same issue. Most of the pirate/bootleg ones didn't have proper notice.--Canoe1967 (talk) 12:36, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File:Newspape and glasses small.jpg

{{Autotranslate|File:Newspape and glasses small.jpg}} McZusatz (talk) 11:12, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

fixed, this is better, at least they are from long ago. That's where they need checking the most. Nowdays, it's like, so seldom. Penyulap ☏ 11:32, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File:Peskimo recharge.gif {{Autotranslate|File:Peskimo recharge.gif}} McZusatz (talk) 11:27, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File:ASIMO 4.28.11.jpg fixed I think, needs checking though. Penyulap ☏ 11:39, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File:Nurse Nogood.jpg Template:Txl McZusatz (talk) 11:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

fixed. (I used the cat link to find the source) Penyulap ☏ 11:55, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Imposing a gag order

Hello, mattbuck asked for someone to crosspost this from COM:AN/U#Penyulap because he can't view userpages –⁠moogsi (blah) 00:27, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think this has run long enough now. After roughly 6 days, the vote count is 19 support, 14 oppose, of which 6 votes were by IPs, all on the oppose side, and one further oppose was Penyulap. I think this shows favour towards the proposal, albeit not overwhelming. I further note that while I do not out of hand discount IP edits, not one of the IPs which opposed the proposal had ever edited Commons before, and frankly if they're not Commons users I don't see their opinions as being especially relevant. As has been noted, Commons is a collaborative project, and for collaboration we need to be able to work together. Penyulap seems to have a problem with this, and while I enjoy jokes and humour as much as the next person, we must not let it get in the way of the reason we are here.

The sanction as voted on was for Penyulap to be allowed a total of two responses to a thread (defined as a top-level section), of not more than 100 words. Due to the suggestions that this is too restricting I am willing to moderate it to two responses plus one for each 2nd level (===) heading, with no word limit.

The sanction will last for one month (until 22nd May 2013), at which point we will discuss whether it is still necessary. -mattbuck (Talk) 00:11, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(copying my response there)

Matt, who told me If you don't like Commons, please kindly fuck off and quit whining about it. -mattbuck (Talk) 11:07, 8 March 2013 (UTC) Hmm.. interesting alternative to improving commons.

So here is my one and only question, when counting 'votes', do people who have serious grudges which have been proven with diffs, count at all ? I don't think so.

Using votes of people who have grudges to bear to invent absurd new rules that target specific individuals rather than everyone voting on rules that apply to everyone makes a mockery of process and destroys any semblance of civil order. Penyulap ☏ 00:28, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add that it is clear your eager to close early to head off the more level-headed sysops. Penyulap ☏ 00:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is that directed at me? :) –⁠moogsi (blah) 00:49, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

do you think it is :) Penyulap ☏ 00:53, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

well I thought I'd ask, because I like to think of myself as level-headed, but maybe I've done something that makes you think I'm not –⁠moogsi (blah) 01:10, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well I was the only one who opposed your adminship after all, considering just how far your wide knowledge of every commons system and enculturation has come, I thought it was a little suspicious.

After all does everyone demonstrate as much experience with the system at 5 months ? Just look how far you've come since that first edit 5 months ago, to helping close discussion filled with socking allegations and full of diff'ed grudges. Penyulap ☏ 01:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please read above: because he can't view userpages, I am not "helping" to do anything, he would have posted the same thing here himself if he could. If you're looking for evidence of a vendetta against you, you won't find any cos I don't have one. If you're trying to start one now, I'm not interested. Flattered, but not interested –⁠moogsi (blah) 01:31, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and I'm not a part of this conversation, you see these words ? nothing, nothing to do with this conversation at all, I'm just not here, not typing, I'm off doing some shopping, really I am, and just like you I'm not posting comments at the ANU thread either, no, I'm not even online right now.

I tell you one thing, there are some people who, if they wanted to not draw attention to their wrongdoings, if they didn't want to draw attention to themselves, if they didn't want a light shined upon their misdeeds, then they are going about it with one God-damn outrageously monumentally flawed and choke-on-what-your-chewing startlingly surprising and original strategy.

I can't believe just how many morons think that the best way to hide their misdeeds on commons is to insert themselves in front of me, in whatever it is that I am doing, whatever little conversation in some corner of the project I am working on, rather than the gazillion talkpages and gazillion users they could be talking with.

Then they figure, here is a fucking genius idea, if I don't want Penyulap turning their attention to my misdeeds, then the most ingenious idea that my dinosaur bwain can come up with, second only to the epiphany of genius idea that was inserting myself in Penyulaps way in the first place, is TO ASK PENY about my misdeeds. I'm a fucking genius, I'll stop whatever Peny is doing, and then bring up the topic, that's a sure-fire method to silence Peny if ever there was one. Fucking genius I am, Hoo-Yeah !!!

Never the thought shall occur to these people that there are millions, probably literally, of users out there that I have no opinion on and never will, I have no idea what they are doing and cannot in a billion years bring myself to care about it either. I couldn't care less. Now, would you like to keep on talking and being a part of this conversation, or are we done here ? Penyulap ☏ 01:53, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear, there is no word limit. -mattbuck (Talk) 12:09, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any limit on how many times I can tell you to fuck off and quit whining matt ? Just to be clear, if I cared to. Penyulap ☏ 04:15, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing stops you from posting on places such as Village Pump but please cease your ranting on COM:AN/U. I suggest that you also stop making uncivil comments. Bidgee (talk) 07:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For those interested, Bidgee is doing his best (and is it giving you a headache?) to control his emotions, poorly, as the very emotional revision history of AN/U demonstrates

The Village Pump you say, oh, and here were a few doubters thinking that it wasn't a gag from speaking out against injustice. The Village Pump, some nice catting, upload a file or two, maybe the help desk, but not where YOUR dirty little secrets come back to kick you in the ass. Penyulap ☏ 08:08, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lingot d'or

Hi,

only for information : in french, it is "le" lingot d'or, not "la" lingot d'or.--Jebulon (talk) 11:26, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

memorising about 2,000 Chinese characters is a far above French gender on my language studies program. I'm not into French that much, sure it's 'useful', but I find other languages more pressing. Penyulap ☏ 11:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I finally fixed that one. Penyulap ☏ 01:01, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I hope that you're feeling well

I'm sorry that they restricted your ability to comment in discussions. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 13:16, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hehe, I'm sorry if I laugh first off when I see this, because the thing is, I don't really care as much as other people surely do. I've seen this stuff before. When someone hasn't any idea what commons is about, and judges absurd new ideas like 'from now on Michaeldsuarez must change his handle to Shirley' and count supports/opposes, seriously, how can you not find it hilarious. But first and foremost, thank you for your concern, that means a great deal to me. As to the stupidity, I think a few people voted some governments laws to be invalid, I'll find that for you in a tic. Some people have no clue what adminship is about, it's like some swimsuit competition or popularity contest. They let anyone become an admin nowdays if you go over the RfA's it's hilarious. The current ones especially are funny, go have a look at the contribs. So it's like the united states of Utopia, they go on and on and on about all these wars they fought to get 'freedoms', and they've been giving away without a thought every last one of those rights since 2000. They bring the same cluelessness to the project with the same results, except this is the Internet. The project will be replaced, nothing is copyright about it, it's simply an epic fail, what else could have possibly been expected. I did some bot study yesterday, though today I've been chatting to some people and shopping online.

But hey tell me, if it is really bad that site of yours, how there are just people whinging about this one, wouldn't that just drive you crazy though ? You can tell me. I won't tell.

Oh, looking at that thing I was going to point to, I may as well put it in email, so if you want to write to me, I'll post the links, it's well, more of the same stuff really, someone didn't like being wrong and was going off like a chicken when someone pulls a feather from it's tail. Penyulap ☏ 13:43, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind people laughing at me. I'm an entertainer and a buffoon. Whinging doesn't bother me. People whinge all the time on the Internet, and I'm not seeking to change the Internet. Sorry, but I don't wish to speak about others in private. Thank you for the message that you left me. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 23:36, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, no problem. I don't mind people laughing at me either, or insults, just so long as they are funny :) You're welcome. Penyulap ☏ 23:44, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User:Шуйская

I understand your change of the user page of User:Шуйская, but those things should not be on the user page. If you want to really help that user, when you reinstate references to categories, you might as well correct them and provide the link to the related Category:Michael Shuisky (vocalist). --Foroa (talk) 09:18, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it should be in an article somewhere rather than a userpage, but she is gaining confidence and experience I figure, I've never bothered to work out which sandboxes get swept clean and which don't.

I don't know enough about the categories or the singer to correct them, I figure that both you and she would know more about that than I would. I will hand on your advice about Category:Michael Shuisky (vocalist). Thank you so much for your help. Penyulap ☏ 09:25, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Map

Hello, i couldn't translate this map to arabic easily. Could you please do it, or provide a blank version and i'll do the rest. Thank you--باسم (talk) 16:18, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ! I have been rather upset at the deterioration of commons, as outlined at the top of my talkpage, and so have Embargoed some work. All is not lost however, I've made a request here at the FX lab, and being svg, there are plenty of editors able to do it. If there is something they can't easily do, or something impossible, or something for human rights or a matter of morality let me know. I'll keep an eye on the request to see that it is done fast enough for you. Penyulap ☏ 16:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion on Editor-requested self-blocks

Hi Penyulap. I greatly appreciate your language and articulation.

If you check Rd232's talk page, you'll find ample stuff - logical, wikipediacal, etc on the subject.

He has greensignalled any discussion on the subject.

Further, on this website link, I asked a Q: "Question: what will be the policy with regard to self-blocked admins? Should they hold sysopship?" and I got the reply: "This is a decision of each community, they appoint and remove your advanced rights holders. Personal opinion is an admin has self-blocked and it is for an extended period, then that community should review that circumstance. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:36, 24 April 2013 (UTC)".

Commons policy for deadminship is here.

If, after going through all the above, you do decide to initiate a discussion somewhere, please leave a link on my talk page. Regards and best wishes, Hindustanilanguage (talk) 06:35, 30 April 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Thank you Hindustanilanguage, I'll give this some thought. Penyulap ☏ 08:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File:The Greeting At The Port 1.jpg

What a great image! --MichaelMaggs (talk) 16:08, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

:)

The picture was Dr Blofeld's idea, and I composed the captioning of the sign. Penyulap ☏ 02:46, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

banu Qasi

Hi Penyulap! I ask a friend to help me to make a map, but he apologized and recommend to contact you about this issue. My dear, I'm working on an article about en:banu qasi, if you don't mind, could you help me to make a map for their maximum expansion, which included the area from Borja to Logroño, including Tudela, en:Tarazona, en:Arnedo, en:Calahorra, en:Zaragoza, en:Najera, en:Viguera, en:Calatayud, en:Huesca and Toledo. If you have not the time to do, kindly, tell me how to do it. Please, if intend to replay, you can use this link. Thanks. أبو حمزة (talk) 16:05, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

there is a great deal to include, there are no easy ideas to follow on the internet that I can find, is this map or this one reasonably accurate ? The articles you link to, when I compile the maps, it is quite messy, many places won't match up or did not exist back then, if you can point me to your best map source on the internet that would help too. Penyulap ☏ 17:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This one look great. Many thanks. Could you help by submitting it in commons?. أبو حمزة (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Something along these lines ? Penyulap ☏ 18:29, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. أبو حمزة (talk) 18:39, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome, let me know if you need more help with it, like making it bigger(!) or change colour, or something. The new map looks good even though it is smallish.It is cool to see how simple and minimal the work needs to be, to be enough to be useful. I know a lot of people who are into hi res and svg and so on, but forget the simple objective which is to describe. Penyulap ☏ 18:43, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Arab World maps with Southern Sudan

Hello :-) the last request was solved and i uploaded the Arabic version of the Greek-Persian world. I have placed a new request here, can you please crop southern Sudan from these 2 maps and upload the new versions over the old ones? Southern Sudan has been independent for nearly 2 years now. Thanks--باسم (talk) 11:18, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Because I'm embargoing the project for the reasons at the top of the page, and it's not humanitarian/humorous, I'll give it a week or so at the FX lab and then do it as a request for a friend, if it hasn't been taken already. Penyulap ☏ 17:54, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks :-)--باسم (talk) 12:24, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, 5 days no takers so far, is the shadow ok on this version, too dark/light, too big/small ? Penyulap ☏ 18:46, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I expect there may well be enough people who don't like me standing up for what is right, and my attempts to keep some semblance of sanity on commons, to support my proposal to block me. So the second half of your request may not be possible to do, but the FX lab is the place to ask. Penyulap ☏ 10:50, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File:Inevercry.png

Autotranslate|1=File:Inevercry.png|2=|3=|base=Idw Andre Engels (talk) 09:40, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File:INeverCry cropped.png Autotranslate|1=File:INeverCry cropped.png|2=|3=|base=Idw Andre Engels (talk) 09:40, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(no longer needed) Penyulap ☏ 10:31, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Old postcard

I remember seeing a postcard from the 70s and finally found a version on the net. This is low resolution but would it be hard to make up high resolution ones? The caption was 'Getting bombed in Vancouver, wish you were here.' They should work for other cities as well.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:03, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you could pick out both some skylines of the cities you want, and match them to an old video of the nuclear tests, if the match is good enough I could look at making some wonky wikilove from it by combining them... I can trun anything to b & w in a second, what you're looking for is a perspective match. Penyulap ☏ 04:31, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking of stills and not video. I collected a few at User:Canoe1967/Transit page. I will look for skylines next. We have video in many of the cats those came from.--Canoe1967 (talk) 05:59, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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(Based on commons files, which I agree weren't nasa PD after all). Penyulap ☏ 10:31, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

BC sign

w:Spuzzum, British Columbia used to have one sign that said "You are now leaving Spuzzum" on both sides. Another editor on en:wp is going to email them to see if there are still pictures of it kicking around. We may ask them if they want to make a new sign to replace it. Would you like to make a few humourous mock-ups that they may decide to use? CC-by would get your name in Spuzzum and as the famous song says: "If you haven't been to Spuzzum, you ain't been anywhere." You may one of the immmortal few that get their name stamped on something there.--Canoe1967 (talk) 12:32, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure!!!! just as soon as I think of some reason why this is funny. Penyulap ☏ 12:36, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

still thinking,.... nothing yet.... Penyulap ☏ 12:36, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

come back tomorrow, I'm sure I'll have something by then... ;) Penyulap ☏ 12:36, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think it must work better with the jingle I haven't heard. Probably a really good music video or something.. Penyulap ☏ 12:38, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I have two brothers that can make signs and they may know best what is involved with painting it etc. w:Fred Curatolo lives near me and does signs as well as cartoons. He knows the story and may come up with a humourous one.--Canoe1967 (talk) 14:00, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't give up

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/User_problems&diff=96580330&oldid=96580090

Don't give up. There are still things that you can do and say, and participating on Commons would be a less enjoyable experience without you. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 14:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Michael. Penyulap ☏ 20:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. I hope that you've lost interest in having your account be blocked. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 23:24, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No I haven't 'given up' trying to get 'my account blocked', I'm still trying. Penyulap ☏ 08:08, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Woah, wait a minute !!! something is wrong with that sentence, and as soon as I figure out what it is, I'll be all over it, you know, if I'm not already blocked. In the meantime I'm sure no-one will misquote me. Penyulap ☏ 08:08, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, now it occurs to me as I recall we're talking self-requested blocks, no, I'm not after one right this moment, I'm, cool, and I wouldn't want to lose touch with all my friends, and I still love drawing silly things :D I think we all get a bit discouraged at times with the police state sort of sillyness, so many people really do believe they are masters of the universe on thrones made of solid neobyndium from galiphrea. I'm not against that per-sae, I just think we can be respectful omnipresent masters of our own galactic empires and recognise that other people have their own galactic empires in their minds too, and that shouldn't get in the way of the occasional bit of work that goes on either. Penyulap ☏ 08:14, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

FX request

Done, Thanks a lot :-)--باسم (talk) 19:15, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. Penyulap ☏ 20:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Some of us have not given up

I do not know whether you simply do not realize the extent to which your sarcasm suppresses discussion, or whether you are in fact so frustrated that you think serious conversation is pointless, but I do not appreciate having the thread hijacked with a personal dispute. Please either revert back to my last version or contribute positively to the discussion. Dankarl (talk) 18:02, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think you have forgotten that the village pump is for everyone, and your repeated attempts to actually suppress discussion by cutting the thread in half or wholesale deletion of comments, is, well, how can I avoid the description 'suppressing the discussion'. Lighten up, people aren't hijacking *YOUR* discussion, they are talking, participating. Talking happens. sheesh.

Otherwise, if you don't want me talking about batch uploading on the web and so on, maybe a more narrow title than "Hey let's do a batch upload", cause with a title like that, people will talk about, umm, err, hmm, oh! batch uploads. It's the topic, you started it, you put it on the village pump which is the place to talk to everyone, if you don't want to talk to everyone, maybe a more quiet page is the place, or just invite people to have a chat somewhere ? Penyulap ☏ 18:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay then, I'm done trying to steer, add something to the discussion, preferably something that will pull other people in and advance the topic. Dankarl (talk) 18:42, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is no need to think that I'm negative because I can't think of the magic answer to the problem, you're not making any proposals either, so what is left except to talk about it ? If there is no proposal, then what IS the topic except talking about it ? see ? Penyulap ☏ 19:05, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

upload files with water sign

Hi Penyulap, I found wonderful files, but they all have water signs. Is it worth to upload them? Is it possible to remove the water sign and who could do it? Thank you and regards--Oursana (talk) 09:06, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The watermark doesn't take up much of the image and it can be removed, it's not quite in the easiest category for watermark removal, there would need to be manual touch-up for best effect, but even without being touched up or even with the watermark there, they seem just fine to me, but you'd best watch out for roaming nut-cases who block for uploading any watermark at all (it happens) so I don't know how people are supposed to get them to the FX lab. I'd just upload them and see how you go. There are a lot of people who can remove the watermarks, but on the other hand, those watermarks are quite subtle so I can't see much problem. Oh, please do me a favour and fix up all the paperwork on this example image ok? otherwise I'll just have it deleted. I hate paperwork. The image has had the watermark removed by robotic cloning (wow, that sounds cool) there are other methods like adjusting the hue of the part of the image that has the lettering, that would probably work even better, but it's just a matter of how much effort is required, like if it is a FA or GA and so on.... actually there is a lovely picture of a bird that I extended and it's going to FI right now :) I'm quite happy about that :D

there are still parts of the last word in the image, easy enough to remove if it's necessary, I did it just rough without a clean-up. Penyulap ☏ 16:14, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wonderful. Of course I did the paper work. There are 13 photos left. Could we go on like this? Thank you very much.--Oursana (talk) 00:45, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, though put them into a graphics lab request so that everyone can have a crack at them, watermark removal is a favourite of many artists around here. However, idiotically blocking people for uploading watermarked files is too common amongst admins. Commons:watermarks needs attention and improvement. Watermarks have been discussed at the Village Dump before, and there was not even agreement that at least some watermarks are allowed. It's crazy. Penyulap ☏ 01:18, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here's three more, we need better names. maybe the artist name + a number if nothing else works... Penyulap ☏ 19:05, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

THank you so much, you are great, I knew. Artists name= Salviati, Paolo + Nr is fine. I do more paper work later.--Oursana (talk) 01:56, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're most welcome Oursana. It's not too late to do the renaming, I take too long. Please do feel free to do the rename requests as I don't have filemover rights. (gives me excuse not to do more work) Penyulap ☏ 08:45, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Question (5 June)

Hello :-) i have uploaded this file today, its a cropped image from the cover of an old book published in Egypt. I think i might have made a mistake uploading it.. do u think it can be considered OK to keep seeing that it was published prior to 1987? (Check what the license says). If its not OK then can you please nominate it for deletion. If it was OK i'll move it to the workshop to edit it a little. Can you please replay in my talk page? Thank you--باسم (talk) 16:36, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Penyulap ☏ 20:49, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Its OK then, delete it. I found another drawing also on a book cover but i wanna make sure of the date. What i know is that nothing is wrong in drawing pictures of Muslim figures such as leaders and general and sultans and caliphs...etc as long as they are not among the sahaba (such as Abu baker, Umar, Uthman, Ali....etc), so its OK to draw an image of Musa bin Nusayr or Tariq bin Ziyad or any other Muslim general. Maybe we can do the map if i didn't find any suitable image. Thank you--باسم (talk) 08:56, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, will do. I had only asked about it because I had heard something along the lines of pictures of living things in general, but I guess that is not a common culture, so it's ok. Penyulap ☏ 09:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks — re: cyber-bully

Hi Penyulap, Thank you so much for noticing, and then giving your efforts to help with the Nyttend cyber-bully problem. Thank you also for the barnstar with your supportive message, it turned around giving up on Wikimedia then. It seems you detest bullies too, and I appreciate your capacities to out them in the wiki-world.
I just completed restoring information that Nyttend had illogically reverted away on ~30 images, and used edit notes with "restore," post-vandalism," and "correct destructiveness" — in case you or other administrators need more examples of irrational editing (not done to be provocative). It seems Nyttend is not even looking before reverting, as the 'U.S. National Register of Historic Places' + 'Historic American Buildings Survey' categories being deleted are at the core of many of their uploads' subjects. I've appreciated those images for years, and added categories to many 100s of them with no harassment until this year.
Have added my comments to Administrators' noticeboard, and hope they are not too 'old school' or long. With sincere appreciation—Look2See1 (talk) 09:23, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're most welcome Look2See1, thank you for your kind words. Thank you for the amazing amount of work that you have given everyone, everywhere. This project will eventually be replaced, all websites come to an end eventually. I believe our work will continue to be built upon, on other, new websites and I can't imagine that they will have the same (sometimes awful) problems that we have here today. I hope you and all my friends will jump across to the new website when it's built. Sometimes it gets pretty bad on wiki, many people do leave, many stick it out and I think sometimes real life is a refuge from wiki. I firmly believe that it should be the opposite way around, that wiki IS the refuge from real life. A good support network of friends and infinite intellectual pursuits to enjoy. I laugh when people on en.wiki suggest there is some kind of 4-5 million or 10 million article 'limit' on what the project will become. Small minds, with small ideas like that, are what you get out of pure chaos.

Don't worry about the hounding, I am quite happy to keep an eye on things, I've laid it out so well at ANU, and so balanced and complete, that there is almost nothing left for anyone else to add to it. People know or should know, what is going on by now. Sure, you can get random admins who will place very bad blocks, that is always a risk, but they can never live them down if they are unrepentant. People know what is going on now, they can see it, so don't worry. If you use a watchlist, it is always good to add your friends and the admin noticeboards to it, I do, that's how I see what certain people are up to. That's important I think.

By the way, I'm really happy you like the Barnstar, I drew it myself. I couldn't believe how much you've done on commons without anyone noticing, it is amazing, like WOW ! Penyulap ☏ 10:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Penyulap, Thanks for idea of adding your talk page to my watchlist, am so old school would have felt like spying otherwise. Do not have a support network of even one friend here or en:wikipedia, so would like to apply to your U.S. Riffraff trial candidates program plz. The wiki isolation has been so strange, as in 3d life am very well connected in various interests and support networks. In both wikis, over the years have noticed preponderance of comments in edit summaries/talk pages is critical to quite negative — perhaps human nature + online anonymity + subculture of dominant 'ever-adolescent'—aggressive wiki editors? Not that I can't make dumb mistakes and be a slow learner too...

Discovered yesterday there had been another AN/U started about me 14 May. Nyttend did not notify me, is that standard since am not an administrator, or an oversight? Feels quite unfair not to be made aware and able to answer others' concerns, especially if goal was another block. If policy though, calmly accept it. Will watchlist AN/U too from now on.

Have added 3 replies to current AN/U, before seeing your "there is almost nothing left for anyone else to add to it" above. Sorry, will do big pause. Was just feeling so massively pummeled by uber-skilled wiki-insider types on a distorted agenda/mission, but certainly do not want to exacerbate drama fog or be a ranter unworthy of mature mediation.

Is it ok if I occasionally ask you questions here, on 'editors best practices' or 'how does an editor do this' stuff? BTW, had no idea my edit count was so high, certainly not my goal or cared about. Quality, not quantity, though guess that is in dispute :-) Thanks to your support, and a fabulous Barnstar design to see — am not just cringing and signing out whenever that "new talkpage messages" banner jumps out in its insistent ochre-orangeness. As always, with appreciation—Look2See1 (talk) 23:08, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

yes, it is standard practice and polite as well to let people know you are talking about them, however, in your case, I expect the intention was to trick an admin into making another monumental mistake, giving you another block. In such cases they try every trick in the book, some people here know all the tricks, and they are not doing as I do, exposing that knowledge for good purposes either. The problem is that the wiki projects are changing and not for the better. The best people get upset with the awful bullying that occurs, and they leave. That only surrenders the project to the nasty people. I tell people, if you want to leave, don't. Sure, stop for a while, give up editing, but don't make some big exit and surrender the project and the good people to the evil side. Have a rest, and next week or next month you'll have nothing else to do and will be here again. Then you can add your voice where it is needed most, standing up for what is right.

Yes, please do ask questions as much as you like. Switch on email as well, because occasionally you may not wish to make your enquiry public. I can also point you to the good people if I can't answer something myself, I do know some really good people behind the scenes here and on en.wiki. They are always happy to help good people (time permitting of course).

I might have to leave a nice message on your talkpage now and then to cheer you up and make you associate that orange banner with what it is meant to be, something nice. I like the orange banners. Penyulap ☏ 23:33, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hey

Well Takabeg upset me when he dates sclupture of Ferdowsi at UT "under 30 years", while it's actually from 1934. Mistake of 50 years. Talking about Ferdowsi square, it's from 1976 so I removed template also. Author died in 1995, so what is relevant in that case? (his mentioning of 30 years confused me) Considering British embassy, it's from first half of 20th century for sure. If you have noticed that I've done something wrong feel free to inform me. Cheers. --Orijentolog (talk) 00:45, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

can you link to that file for me please ?

something you should be aware of, it is a very popular strategy for nasty people to try and play 'tit for tat' I'm not saying that either one of you is, just that it is a common strategy. Someone provokes you into doing something wrong and then goes and tells an admin on you, and then you end up with the block. Not good, if they started it. When you have a problem like that, feel free to ask me, I'll try to help, or you can go to Commons:AN/U which is a bit more complex.

I'll point this conversation out to Fastily, where I first saw the conversation here. Penyulap ☏ 00:54, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ferdowsi Square (Tehran) - here it is. For this one I'm not 100% sure (like in case of 1934-sclupture). It looks like brand new (I actually thought it was from 2000's at first, and unaware of FoP rules) but it's from 1976. Considering my behavior, I removed deletion-templates from images and then I started to put sources with years. He didn't try to start conversation and consult issues but just undid my edits. --Orijentolog (talk) 01:02, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's ok, don't worry about it, rather than removing the templates, just click on the link that says 'the nomination page.' and then write on that page why you think the file should be kept, removing the templates themselves is generally considered bad if you do that over and over again. On the other hand, if someone is hassling you by nominating lots of your files, and the deletion discussions that result at 'the nomination page.' pages eventually turn out to be 'keeps' then that is a problem on their part. Usually you just don't worry about people nominating your files, it happens all the time, but if they nominate 10 and all are kept, and then next week another 10 or something, then you can add a calm note to the discussions that they are making a lot of deletion nominations of your files that result in keep, or ask me, I'll take a look. Cool ? Penyulap ☏ 01:10, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. :) --Orijentolog (talk) 02:23, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kaiulani01

Yes, just some general cleanh up. Remove color streaks and blemishes and change tone and brightness if needed. Just upload over the images. Don't create derivative files or a, b, c files. Thank you.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:24, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I had a softer background in one of the two new ones, as it is no big deal I'll do one or two more as I please. cool. Penyulap ☏ 08:28, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the smile

I thought that this was brilliant. Thanks. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:39, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Aahh, yeah. I loved that one too.

get ourselves a possy together. Glad you like some of the random stuff that comes out of my mouth. Penyulap ☏ 22:46, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What browser are you using?

Just for curiosity: Regarding [2] — what browser are you using? This works fine in Firefox 21 as well as Internet Explorer 10 on Windows 7. The line breaks you added actually add a huge lot of whitespace in these browsers while it looks good without them. I assume you're seeing some overlapping content in your browser though, without the additional line breaks? --Patrick87 (talk) 01:58, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

firefox, on ubuntu. There is more than one person seeing this, as I wasn't the first to insert it. There is of course the proper way, a - inside brackets, but i was lazy, and it does the same job. yes, the text does cover the image without the cr's and actually i think there is still a sig over it, but that doesn't worry me, just the conversation which wouldn't be legible without. Ubuntu is required to run the graphics programs that I use. At this moment I am getting a taste of windows 8 and I hate it, it's a steaming turd. Penyulap ☏ 11:53, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

CE

Thanks. — C M B J 08:15, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

you're welcome. Penyulap ☏ 08:26, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Are you Charlie?

FYI, it's "Robin" Williams, not to be confused with Robbie Williams. -mattbuck (Talk) 07:26, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion affecting you

This is to notify you of a discussion at Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#User_rights_of_User:BrandonBigheart that affects you. PumpkinSky talk 20:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I've commented there. I examined the situation, I think you've done the right thing. Penyulap ☏ 20:46, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Collegiate environment

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Hi Penyulap. I would like to informally raise for your attention posts such as this one, made to an already heated Deletion request, which seem intended to inflame problems and/or cause offence to other contributors. I know that some find your posts amusing, but repeatedly posting comments which are likely to offend, in the middle of a consensus building process, is disruptive to reaching a consensus, and in my view, creates a hostile environment.

In this instance it would have been fine to respond with a comment about "zero evidence" and make it amusing, but reducing the discussion to "talking out your arse" and making fart jokes is a deliberately offensive personal attack. Please consider removing or adapting the comment to make it clear it is not a personal attack against another contributor.

At times I would agree that you make good policy based points to the benefit of Commons content and the community, but these are lost amongst hostile comments, and what most viewers would call blatant trolling for laughs at the expense of others. I hope you can take time to consider my request to ensure Commons stays a collegiate environment where everyone can feel free to make a contribution to open knowledge, without feeling at risk of being abused or hounded, rather than instantly dismissing or ridiculing my concern as someone without a sense of humour.

To be honest I have avoided all interaction with you since raising the AN/U on your account, for fear of becoming subject to continued hounding personal comments; I doubt that is the reputation you are actively seeking, but please realise it is the effect you have on others. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 13:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Penyulap, Thank you so much for noticing, and then giving your efforts to help with the Nyttend cyber-bully problem. Thank you also for the barnstar with your supportive message, it turned around giving up on Wikimedia then. It seems you detest bullies too, and I appreciate your capacities to out them in the wiki-world. [...] I've appreciated those images for years, and added categories to many 100s of them with no harassment until this year. Have added my comments to Administrators' noticeboard, and hope they are not too 'old school' or long. With sincere appreciation—Look2See1 (talk) 09:23, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

That is a small sample of what I have been doing in the 'Collegiate environment' department in the last month or so. italics and bold added by myself, full section is up the page a bit.

Let's see what people have said about your efforts in the 'Collegiate environment' department in the last month or so.

[...] is pathologically drawn to creating controversy and conflict.-- KTo288
I also feel the candidate often tends towards the letter rather than the spirit of policy in order to achieve an aim, and this is not a philosophy I'm comfortable with. Begoon
Aside from the issues underlying the en-wiki ban and the lack of candor relating to his use of multiple accounts, Fæ's comments here just the day before this discussion began [4], uncivilly proclaiming that blocking one of his en-wiki critics would be "a bonus to the community," also demonstrates that the candidate is unsuitable to hold a position of trust. The Big Bad Wolfowitz
Oppose per "Fæ has used ad hominem attacks to try to discredit others". He doesn't seem to have stopped. Salvio giuliano
Fae's past history does not inspire confidence. — Scott
Fæ neglects to mention past accounts and sockpuppets and neglects to mention past enwiki ban in his nomination statement. Would you trust a sysop who hides facts from you? --Michaeldsuarez
While I firmly believe people can change and that second chances are important, they must come after sufficient evidence that the requester has learned from his or her mistakes. At this point, I do not have enough confidence that Fæ has changed enough to allow me to feel comfortable extending him the trust necessary for access to the admin maintenance toolset here on the Commons. I'm sorry. -- Avi (talk)

On that last comment, do you think about a month is enough ? There is plenty more of this stuff, I could waste more of my time picking out some of the clearest advice you've been given by the wide community, but basically you're just here so you can go to ANU again, surprise, surprise, and say 'oh I tried to save the universe by being so nice and saintly with a pious heart and ask Penyulap to stop killing babies and woe is me he didn't listen', blah blah blah [The Penyulap show season 2 episode 1] blah blah. Seriously dude, what has changed at all in the last month, you've simply laid in wait, looking, hoping for an opportunity, lame choice btw, I do crazier crap than that all the time, but it'll do, so run off and see if you can cause more dramaz.

Would a person who would like to be appreciated and treasured by the community follow your lead and take your advice Fae ? seriously ? Would admins who want to keep the respect of myself and the wider community follow your lead Fae ? run along to ANU and find out.

I expect more matured and controlled behaviour from admins. JKadavoor Jee
I believe that Fæ's free speech track record is dismal. --Michaeldsuarez

I should give out lessons in how to hold the project together and stop good editors leaving, and come to think of it, if people watch carefully they shall see if I can keep our friend and colleague from losing heart in dark times. Penyulap ☏ 14:23, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a pretty picture of my friend's contributions to liven up the drab section.

<description> This is the amazing, absolutely amazing, screenshot of Look2See1's contributions. There are like, just 15 edits to the commons namespace today, out of a total of over 100,000. What is seriously even more amazing is if you go and pick contributions at random, you'd see that Look2See1 is not a edit count oriented editor. Most of the contributions are well thought out multiple category adjustments that, if done separately, would rival the likes of my friend Richard from en.wiki. A million ? I don't know, but how do you get that far without attracting attention, how many more miracles are out there like Look2See1 on commons, if any ? it gives pause for thought.

Penyulap ☏ 14:28, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As you have not mentioned my serious concern, let alone attempted to address it, I am content that I have done my bit in attempting to reach out to you in good faith. Fæ (talk) 14:43, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Are those sparrows on your shoulders and squirrels gathering in a circle around your feet Fae ? that's amazing Penyulap ☏ 14:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unbelievable... Just noticed this discussion by chance and what should I say? I've never met a person that is stepping on other persons toes more constantly and deliberately (and I'm not talking about Fæ!). Just to make it clear from the beginning: There's no need for an answer, or at least there will not be any further comment from my side. If I learned one lesson regarding communication with Penyulap it's avoiding all of those pointless discussions with him at all. They lead nowhere. Actually I'm angry at myself that I took the time to write these lines, since I know they'll go unheard... --Patrick87 (talk) 00:25, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here is what Patrick87 and I have been doing this month, don't forget the collapsed section at the bottom, which contains the Gem "I'll give up on you at this point, some children are just unteachable."

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== Absorption and emission spectra == (link)

Hi!

I am hoping someone can answer a question regarding copyrights on spectra.

On the page violet astronomy, to illustrate the emission and absorption line locations for beryllium and boron, which are important metals in star formation, I have uploaded two such spectra calculated by the person credited. But in principle these spectra may be calculated by anyone and perhaps presented as this individual has done, without the company components of course.

Are these spectra as calculated and presented subject to copyright?

Thank you in advance for your kind attention to this matter. --Marshallsumter (talk) 17:32, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This might be a case of {{PD-Ineligible}}, but it would be preferable is you just replot the spectra and use {{PD-user}}. --Jarekt (talk) 01:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Make a request at the Commons:Graphics lab, we can make new images for you, and you can add the credit as a reference in the image description on the image page. Penyulap ☏ 13:26, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No we can't. Absorption spectra are nothing one can just "redraw" Penyulap. You have to calculate them from a theoretical model or measure them with a spectrometer and then you can create a plot out of these data. --Patrick87 (talk) 14:33, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the National Institutes of Standards and Technology (NIST) of the USA has already calculated them including intensity per element. All that needs to be done is to graphically plot them like the spectra often seen with appropriate colors per wavelength. I would have to write the graphics software from scratch but I can supply the reference if Commons:Graphics lab can do it. Let me know and I'll supply the reference. --Marshallsumter (talk) 19:48, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It could be done as a GIMP script, but not by me. I think writing it as a svg would be easiest, people tell me they are plain text documents anyway, so adding in the computations directly or with a text editor sounds dead easy. I don't do svg though, so I'd have to learn enough for this one task or co-ordinate with friends. It certainly sounds do-able. Penyulap ☏ 20:37, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thats what I meant: Graphics lab isn't the place were scientists crowd, but a place for graphics experts (not that this would be mutually exclusive). This request would probably fit better into en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics. There's no need to write software for this, there are suitable tools around. I could probably do it, but I don't know when I'll get round it. There are multiple things I'd want to do first currently. Maybe you could start a request at graphics lab and post a link to it in WikiProject Physics. --Patrick87 (talk) 20:50, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hehehe the old 'I could do it if I felt like it' ;) But seriously, does anyone have the list of numbers of the calculated spectra. I can experiment with a text editor and 'linearGradient' in svg and I can't see this being brain surgery. Penyulap ☏ 20:57, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wah, there are some fun tools out there for playing with svg gradients. Plus, really fun names of documents as well, like "The Elements:A Visual Explanation of Every Known Atom in the Universe by Theodore Gray" I like that :D Penyulap ☏ 21:16, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Try to read closer. I said I could do it if I had the time. I'm sure I could put "something" together within minutes, but if I do it, I want to do it right. And there are currently more important things that come first for me. Consider yourself glad if you can "waste" your time with such experiments while what you're trying is a standard procedure for many physicists out there. Surely you'll learn something in the process. --Patrick87 (talk) 22:47, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This could be a five minute version. Spectral data already included... --Patrick87 (talk) 22:56, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the NIST reference:

Alexander Kramida, Yuri Ralchenko, and Joseph Reader (September 24, 2012). NIST Atomic Spectra Database, Version 5. National Institutes of Standards and Technology (NIST). Retrieved on 2013-01-20.,

let me know if you have questions or problems. Absorption spectra are calculated with the line removing color from the spectra. --Marshallsumter (talk) 00:17, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here is my two minute noodles version. I'll have a look at the link, probably good to move this to the FX lab I figure.. Penyulap ☏ 00:20, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

copied to Commons:Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop#Absorption and emission spectra for beryllium and boron Penyulap ☏ 00:37, 3 June 2013 (UTC) [reply]

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Sorry to spoil the fun Penyulap, but do you think only because you removed the background (containing the watermark with author information) and incorporated a new one it isn't a copyright violation anymore? Your graphics doesn't improve upon the original at all (despite the author might now even complain that we removed the watermark from his work). I'll not even start to make a statement on the physical validity of this diagram. --Patrick87 (talk) 00:43, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

well to answer the first question, yes I do think it's all PD now because it is far too simple to be the subject of copyright, I won't be the least bit offended if you DR the image, feel free. Marshallsumter is the only person I'd like to please with the graphics as they are the requester, if anyone else wants to make an even better image, they are most welcome to do so. Penyulap ☏ 01:01, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are wrong (although where there's no judge, there's no hangman...)! First of all, the graphics can be as simple as you want, the underlying data may still be copyrighted. Now lets assume your image is art (it's not very physical anyway): Even then it could be copyrighted, since even some colored lines could reach the treshold of originality (Where did you place the lines? How thick did you made them? What color did you choose? There's actually much originality in it!). --Patrick87 (talk) 01:14, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

wrong ? me ? unpossible I tell U ! ;D

The image is just fine, it's a spectrum, a representation of the Radio Frequency spectrum shown as visible light hues. Basically it is just a scale, same as numbers on a tape measure, a steady progression with perfect precision. This I know from general knowledge, I also know that the signature of each element is unique, you can't copyright that either. So those signatures expressed in this way are the simplest form possible. Now, there are some artefacts where I stretched things in the FX software, I'm not so sure it is as clean as it possibly could be, however this image is designed to be viewed with the eyes rather than fed into software, so I think it is ok, and more importantly, supremely important is Marshallsumter describing it as "Awesome!!!" at the FX lab. To me, that is the only thing that is important, that a requester is happy. It's like someone walks into my shop and I am the shopkeeper, and they ask for half a dozen D sized batteries, and some other person, not staff and possibly not a customer suggests that they should buy an iPod, what am I going to do as a good shopkeeper ? bill my customer for an iPod without asking, or do as they ask and provide a half dozen D sized batteries ? Penyulap ☏ 01:41, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh come on, Penyulap, this is just childish. First of all you don't have to explain to me what an emission spectrum is since I'm afraid I already know it much better than you will ever do. Secondly your copyright arguments are just invalid but if you don't want to see the facts I can't aid it, continue violating copyrights. Thirdly the graphics lab is a place for graphics experts and we surely want to satisfy users (who might be satisfied easily) but at the same time we want to produce the best quality possible according to our standards, so the images can be reused for other purposes easily, and won't pop up here again in some months to fix the glitches that could have been avoided in the first place.

To stick to your silly example: Surely you can sell your customer half empty batteries and he will be happy since his device works again, but if you demand of yourself to fulfill some basic standards you'll sell him fresh ones (at least if you're not a crook). --Patrick87 (talk) 02:31, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I find it endlessly amusing that you figure to lecture me on what I do and don't know, please continue, I can't get enough.

I suggest as far as copyright goes, put up or shut up, commons:DR is a nice place to address concerns that don't involve gratuitous 'remarks'. As for the quality of the images I'm producing, I'm the only shop open, the image is quote "Awesome" and I'm happy to refund the $0 paid twice over and give a free voucher for a free replacement image. If only you could get that everywhere in RL eh ?

I collapse the section where we're bickering, feel free to un-collapse if you feel a need to share with everyone. Penyulap ☏ 02:47, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, probably it's best to hide the nonsense you're writing from the public. I'll give up on you at this point, some children are just unteachable. --Patrick87 (talk) 11:55, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. As an example you still didn't get that I actually wanted to help you produce a nice and shiny image that is free of copyright but if you're satisfied with imperfect results of questionable copyright status there's little I can do.

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== Absorption and emission spectra for beryllium and boron ==

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It's the Graphics lab office Christmas PAR-Tae in June, Woo-Hoo! Penyulap ☏ 07:48, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

moved from VP by Penyulap

Beryllium emission spectrum, background credit:Teravolt,foreground credit:Alex Petty,mashup: Penyulap ;)

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