User talk:Jasonkwe

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Marine Corps body armor + a question about DVIDS

I saw a notification about you asking me about the Marine Corps Plate Carrier (MCPC) but your question got deleted before I could reply properly. AFAIK, the USMC use(d) three plate carrier systems aside from the earlier Outer Tactical Vest and Modular Tactical Vest; these are/were the Scalable Plate Carrier, the MCPC (which is meant to be accompanied by the similar-looking Improved Modular Tactical Vest but there don't seem to be that many photos of the latter being used so I'm guessing it was quietly dropped somewhere along the line and only the MCPC saw any major use), and the Plate Carrier Generation III (PC Gen III) that has the fancy laser-cut MOLLE slots and FirstSpear tube technology. In terms of terminology, it is my belief that the PC Gen III is the first plate carrier system to explicitly describe itself as being a particular generation; as for the MCPC, all references to it that I could find describe it as a "Plate Carrier". No generation references, no "improved" or similar nomenclature, no reference to service branch even(!), just "Plate Carrier" (Instruction manual, training video, water survival training document).

Also, while I'm here, I've noticed that you've uploaded several photos directly from DVIDS; can I ask you how the process for making an account looks? There are a few DVIDS-only photos I'd like to upload without having to find a third-party website hosting them at full resolution (assuming of course that such third-party rehosting has actually happened), but I'm put off by the overall registration requirement (since the UK Defence Imagery website lets you download photos without an account as long as they're under the same Open Government Licence that lets you upload them to Wikimedia) and what is being asked of me if I do decide to register (I doubt that Wikimedia would count as "Media/Reporter/Blogger", and just what is a "Friend of the Military" according to DVIDS?). - Dvaderv2 (talk) 23:16, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I deleted it 'cause I figured it out. I'm planning to write a few stubs for the marine corps plate carrier and the gen III plate carrier. And yeah, I had a bit of a "*sigh*, why.....why do you do this to me?" moment when I saw it was just "plate carrier".

I was eventually able to find a few sources that talked about the different vests and named the plate carrier as "gen II". Like you said, besides the piece of shit that was the OTV, the slightly less shit IOTV, and the MTV, there were the SPC, the Marine Corps Plate Carrier (Gen II) alongside the IMTV, and then most recently the plate carrier gen III. My guess is that the "plate carrier" (gen II) was supposed to be the ISPC (improved scalable plate carrier) but they scrapped the latter name. The numbering kinda makes sense 'cause if we have plate carrier gen III, there's gotta be a plate carrier gen II (which is probably the "plate carrier") and a plate carrier gen I (which refers to the SPC I think). The SPC and the Army's SPCS were both the first plate carrier systems that were given to grunts so it kinda makes sense and they were improvements. But the OTV and IOTV were weapons-grade level stupid so it's not hard to improve on that. I dunno how much the IMTV was used either but my guess is that regardless of the problems with the SPC and "plate carrier" gen II, they were still preferable to the MTV/IMTV if you were out patrolling so that might be why we don't see many IMTVs.

As far as name for the category (and the stub article) I'm not sure about MCPC. I think it's a fine acronym and I've seen a few uses of it on reddit but I get the feeling that it's an informal nickname (since the Corps decided to just call it "plate carrier".....what are they gonna do next, call their next vehicle "truck"?....). But I can't find any official uses of it. These were the sources that mentioned the name "gen II"; it's thin but it's something I guess

https://soldiersystems.net/2015/11/04/usmc-looks-to-recycle-imtv-armor-panels-for-plate-carriers/

https://nts.com/ntsblog/solicitation-alert-plate-carrier-system-generation-ii-and-components/

https://web.archive.org/web/20171215115307/https://www.marcorsyscom.marines.mil/Portals/105/PdMICE/Docs/PI%20Sheets/Plate%20Carrier%20PI%20Sheet.pdf

About Dvids, yeah, I totally understand. I was pretty nervous about it too. I can't see my selection now for some reason but I think I did use "friend of the military". And they never gave me any trouble. Hell, what with wikipedia work, you kinda are also media/blogger.

The only thing I'd recommend is that when you do upload images from DVIDS, putting in virin is good but I found that putting in the photo ID is too. I think they fucked up their own system a few years ago when they moved to everything to DVIDS. You've probably seen a few photos where the VIRIN is something like 191014-X-XXXX-421 and if you try to search that, it won't come up with anything. And there's weird ones where I search the virin and can't find it. Later when I do find it, I see that the Virin on DVIDS is similar but off by a few numbers. Like, wtf? Doesn't help that DVIDS' search function is kinda shit. But searching by photo ID seems to be foolproof. It actually helps in my uploads because when you download at full resolution from DVIDS, by default it'll name the file by its photo ID. So I can download a bunch of images and not bother remembering the url it came from. I just copy the photo ID from the filepath, search that, then add add VIRIN and the title to the filepath on wikimedia. Plus, the other bonus of dvids is that you still get the exif data too. Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 05:06, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

File:Larry-Vickers-6.jpg

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User who nominated the file for deletion (Nominator) : Gråbergs Gråa Sång.

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• File:Larry-Vickers-7.jpg ( Nominator : Gråbergs Gråa Sång | Reason : Nothing says PD at sourcepage https://panteao.com/larry-vickers-7/ )

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