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File:منة فضالي-3.jpg

In short, can't verify source information. The image description page says the image was taken from a You tube channel that "was removed because it violated Youtube's Community Guidelines". Since we can't verify source information, I propose to delete this image. Meno25 (talk) 02:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

File:Belka and Strelka 2020 postcard of Transnistria 2.jpg

Per Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Transnistria the copyright laws of Moldova apply to Transnistria. Further, Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Moldova says that stamps from the country are PD. So I assume stamps of Transnistria would be to. Although there's zero evidence that the exception would apply to the artwork of the dogs on this postcard. So the image should be deleted as COPYVIO unless someone can provide evidence to the contrary. Adamant1 (talk) 05:45, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

File:Erb Pial.jpg

Higher quality coat of arms uploaded at under 'File:Dolny Pial Shield.png' EnzoTC (talk) 07:52, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

China, The Scenery, Architecture, and Social Habits of That Ancient Empire

50 out of 83 available images displayed in a single section, with very little context that isn't provided by Category:China, in a Series of Views, Displaying the Scenery, Architecture, and Social Habits of that Ancient Empire (where readers will find two volumes of the actual book) and its subcategory. Seems more like a detour than an informative overview. Sinigh (talk) 10:43, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

File:Audiodatenkompression Spektrogramm.png

Maybe this is far-fetched, but isn't a spectogram a derivate work? And "Tom's Diner" is a copyrighted song. Discostu (talk) 13:11, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it's far-fetched. Yes, the image was created from a copyrighted work, but I also think it's far enough away from the original that it can't be recreated from that image. Without the information that it is this particular song, it could just as easily be any other audio recording. Please note that the deletion request should also affect this image, which is also based on a copyright-protected work: File:AudiodatenkompressionManowarThePowerOfThySword.jpg Chris Retro (talk) 18:18, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

File:Portrait of Jiang Ziya.jpg

There is nothing that indicates a public domain status, with the stated PD-old-70 license contradicting the "own work" info (which is likely incorrect). It looks like an image simply taken from the internet. The basis of deletion is COM:PRP. Cold Season (talk) 15:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Someone just edited the source to "清宮殿藏本" (translated "Collection of the Qing Palace"). Firstly, it has zero evidential value and is simply made-up, as there's no institution known by that name and thus the artwork can't be looked up to verify. Secondly, if the user meant that the artwork was owned by the historical Qing dynasty, then it is an unreferenced assertion of object history (not a source) that identifies nothing. --Cold Season (talk) 17:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

•  Keep China only awards 50 years protection, so if it is prior to 1974 it is PD. Tineye and Google could not find anyone named as the author or anyone claiming an active copyright or anyone claiming it is newer than 1974. --RAN (talk) 16:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Your argument is counter to the policy COM:PRP: "Also, arguments that amount to "we can get away with it", such as the following, are against Commons' aims: [...] 5. "The file is obviously common property. It can be found all over the internet and nobody has complained.""

Secondly, you provide "ifs" and neglect the burden of proof. See the policy COM:PS#Evidence: "In all cases, the burden of proof lies on the uploader or other person arguing for the file to be retained [...]" --Cold Season (talk) 06:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

In my copy of ‘Illustrated Biographies of Historical Figures from China’s Dynasties’ (中国历代名人画像谱), edited by the Conservation Department of the Chinese History Museum (中国历史博物馆保管部) and published by Haixia Literature and Art Publishing House (海峡文艺出版社), the source is listed as ‘Qing Palace Collection’ (清殿藏本). It appears that the original painting or book is likely stored at the Chinese History Museum, which is now the National Museum of China. While I couldn’t find an online contact form, the phone number for the National Museum of China seems to be +86-10-6511 6400. Could someone who speaks Chinese kindly verify this?

Here is the image I took. https://x.com/gomennenushi/status/1846120586185265565?s=61 Zange Master (talk) 13:16, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

If the museum can be confirmed, that would be nice... But you have provided a reference for the work, which is sufficient. Unlike the previous user who ignored COM:PS#Evidence for their assertion... --Cold Season (talk) 19:28, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

• Withdrawn per Zange Master's comment.
  Note: I think the upload version from May 2018 still should be deleted, since it is another file than the current and seemingly upsized from File:Jiang Ziya 02.jpg by the same uploader. --Cold Season (talk) 19:28, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

File:Portrait of Duke of Zhou.jpg

Its public domain status is not established. It looks like an image simply taken from the internet. The basis of deletion is COM:PRP. Cold Season (talk) 15:53, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Someone just edited the source to "清宮殿藏本" (translated "Collection of the Qing Palace"). Firstly, it has zero evidential value and is simply made-up, as there's no institution known by that name and thus the artwork can't be looked up to verify. Secondly, if the user meant that the artwork was owned by the historical Qing dynasty, then it is an unreferenced assertion of object history (not a source) that identifies nothing. --Cold Season (talk) 17:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

•  Keep China only awards 50 years protection, so if it is prior to 1974 it is PD. Tineye and Google could not find anyone named as the author or anyone claiming an active copyright or anyone claiming it is newer than 1974. --RAN (talk) 22:27, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Your argument is counter to the policy COM:PRP: "Also, arguments that amount to "we can get away with it", such as the following, are against Commons' aims: [...] 5. "The file is obviously common property. It can be found all over the internet and nobody has complained.""

Secondly, you provide "ifs" and neglect the burden of proof. See the policy COM:PS#Evidence: "In all cases, the burden of proof lies on the uploader or other person arguing for the file to be retained [...]" --Cold Season (talk) 06:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note. I added the file File:Jiang Ziya 02.jpg to this deletion request. It depict the same work. The rationale for deletion remains the same as above. --Cold Season (talk) 20:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

File:MohamedV.jpg

Image taken from "internet" with no source or evidence of compatible license. Original photo may be old (but there's no evidence for the "1927" date) and looks related to this one, but the caption in the image here makes it very plausible that this version is a later edit of the original. It can be found on older websites such as this and this. R Prazeres (talk) 16:59, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

•  Keep Cropping an image does not generate a new copyright. We know the image was published in 1928 and we host several versions of it in several sepia tones. See: File:Mohammed Abdelmonem (1909-1961) in L'Afrique du Nord illustrée.jpg --RAN (talk) 00:42, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

File:Alexander Waugh CMarks 2019.jpg

This file was initially tagged by Didym as no permission (No permission since) Eric ^talk 18:09, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Not sure I handled this listing correctly. It is the result of me clicking on a link to challenge the speedy deletion while awaiting an e-mail to VRT from the photographer granting permission to use the image. In other words, I do not think the file should be deleted, and am attempting to get permission for it. Any help would be appreciated. Eric ^talk 18:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

@Eric: Any luck with the permission? Don't see a VRT permission yet? Gestumblindi (talk) 19:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Gestumblindi: No, I haven't seen anything on this since my e-mail exchange with a Commons staffer on August 6. It was my first time uploading an image under these circumstances, and I was a bit discouraged with the procedure. I was reluctant to be putting pressure on the photographer with what was becoming a more tedious procedure than I'd foreseen, as I did not at first realize that the only conditions under which Commons will approve permission is if the photographer releases the image under a license that allows anyone to use it for any purpose, something he was not sure Waugh's family would be happy with. As it happens, I am going to see the photographer tomorrow, so I could ask him if he ever got anywhere with the permissions communication. Eric ^talk 09:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Eric: Note that the required permisson for "anyone to use it for any purpose" is referring only to copyright - this doesn't mean that personality rights are waived. Though Waugh is deceased, in most countries (in the UK too, I would assume) there is some degree of post-mortem personality rights the family can enforce, if necessary, which would apply to offensive uses of the image. Please keep us informed on what the photographer said regarding the issue; if he's not willing to grant the required free license, I'm afraid we have to delete the picture. Gestumblindi (talk) 09:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Gestumblindi: , Thank you very much for informing me of this. Your timing couldn't be better; though I live 3,000 miles away from them, I will be seeing both the photographer and Alexander's widow tomorrow, and I will take this up with them. I'll be back at my computer on Sat or Sun, by which time I hope to have new info. Eric ^talk 20:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

File:Casimir Guyon de Montlivault - 1770 - 1846.png

This is not Casimir Guyon de Montlivault. De Montlivault Amandine (talk) 18:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

 Info: https://www.rouillac.com/fr/lot-149-55094-ecole_francaise_du_debut_du_xixe_siecle.portrait --Achim55 (talk) 19:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

•  Keep we fix attributions and titles, the auction house has made a presumption, if you want to challenge that, look for other published findings and make a Wikidata entry for the image. --RAN (talk) 00:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• Bonjour Amandine, pouvez-vous nous expliquer ce qui vous permet d'affirmer que ce portrait n’est pas celui de Casimir Guyon de Montlivault ? J'imagine que vous avez des éléments que nous n'avons pas ?! Si effectivement ce portrait ne correspond pas à la personne alors vous avez raison de le signaler, mais la seule source dont nous disposons nous indique que le portrait est présumément celui de Casimir Guyon de Montlivault. Qui croire ? Reptilien.19831209BE1 (talk) 15:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Files in Category:Innenraum nach der Renovierung ab September 2021

copyright violation; stained glass windows is work by living artist; no freedem of panorama.

• File:St. Mauritius (Tholey) 24.jpg
• File:St. Mauritius (Tholey) 25.jpg

Martin Sg. (talk) 18:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

The windows are completely blurred and distorted. No reason to delete the entire image. I also plead for "Art de minimis" keep both (imho) Qwertzu111111 (talk) 11:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

The windows are irrelevant in both pictures and are just a "random" background, blurred and without any recognizable structures. In this respect, "art de minimis" should apply to both pictures. --ArthurMcGill (talk) 17:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

File:© Mahbuba Maqsoodi.jpg

copyright violation; work by living artist; no freedom of panorama. Martin Sg. (talk) 18:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

File:Kyrsten Sinema.jpg

Is the source OK? 186.174.109.253 19:05, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

• Keep -- no valid reason for deletion. Source is from Sinema's official US House government website and was taken by a US Federal employee. Corky 00:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

File:2021 Projekt muralu Arkadiusz Dydek 65 lat Gryf.jpg

Is this a free file? 186.174.109.253 19:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

File:The 1853 riots in Milan.jpg

The image has a copyright watermark on it although the page I found it on has a CC3 licence Mccapra (talk) 20:15, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mccapra: If this anonymous work was created/published in 1853, doesn't it come under {{PD-old-assumed}}? I'm not very good in this area of copyright but this is something that struck my head. _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 20:31, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

File:Angell Model.jpg

This file was initially tagged by Nutshinou as Speedy (SD) and the most recent rationale was: F10 Good portrait. Yann (talk) 21:04, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

The other two files that the uploader claimed as their own work were watermarked directly in the image with something like "Trush Photography", so there might be some doubt as to who took this photo, the Exif metadata also seems to indicate that there was something previously in "Author" and "Copyright Holder", but has been emptied. Is that ok? Otherwise I agree that it can be kept Nutshinou ^Talk! 21:15, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that should be clarified. Yann (talk) 21:18, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.

File:Tulsaa crop clean auto-tone 45K.tif

Failed image upload Leoboudv (talk) 21:43, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

•  Speedy keep Just downloaded the file and opened with Photoshop. The file works just fine. No corruptions or missing fragments. Commons does not render previews for such large files. Did you test the file? -- PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 06:41, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

I hashed both files (file from source and reuploaded file), and both have the identical hash value output:

• MD5: d682298d0ae0bfad19805c5cae6d80c4
• SHA1: 41216b6a335aeca618aba758403f0a0018dadfa0
• CRC32: b3febdf9
• SHA-256: 89827896b9e0c098d7b55eb11271074fc24583310240b5a825ac6eb62a427577
• SHA-512: 9b6a1ae5269b79d63705f75489a7b8eea0e19ecaf4b561b027c504dfde6e228f77a960f22cafabb4b92813391f2102fa4836d5a5944361661c8bf85e326872a5
• SHA-384: c658796c5b775c1ab0b0818fa5deb2a0d3889df19aaec19731fe8e2dbc3686266bd11f4c994652194f20e0d608e7a960

--PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 06:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

•  I withdraw my nomination I won't be reviewing this file as I cannot see the image but perhaps another Admin or reviewer can reviewer it in this Category Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 00:14, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

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 Kept, withdrawn. Took about five minutes between downloading the file and getting it to load, but everything does indeed check out here. Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:06, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

File:CDJA logo 2018.png

User is not the creator of the image Dajasj (talk) 22:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

•  Keep per COM:TOO Netherlands and COM:INUSE. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

File:LogoCDJA.jpg

User is not the creator or owner of the image Dajasj (talk) 22:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

File:Hermanus Amya.jpg

Painting might be public domain but the picture isn't. As seen on the source: © 2021 RMN-Grand Palais (musée du Louvre) / Franck Raux LeeGer (talk) 22:31, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

•  Keep That is standard boilerplate on every webpage, it would only cover their novel text, not copy of a public domain painting. We covered this already in with the British Museum. --RAN (talk) 00:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

File:Hermanus Amya (cropped).jpg

Painting might be public domain but the picture isn't. As seen on the source: © 2021 RMN-Grand Palais (musée du Louvre) / Franck Raux LeeGer (talk) 22:32, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Article 4.1.1 (Photographs representing works that are not protected by copyright) in the Terms of Use of said site applies. The subject picture is a low format screenshot of a work not protected by copyright. It is not a downloaded medium- or high-format photograph and is therefore free to be used. Chescargot (talk) 05:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

That is only for non-commercial use. LeeGer (talk) 15:38, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

No, low format reproductions of works in PD are available to any use, unless specifically indicated otherwise. Chescargot (talk) 20:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)