User talk:INeverCry

I enjoy editing Commons too much to stop socking. At this point, all I intend to do is simple work out of everyone's way, which constitutes most of what I've done with my socks. I've played a few pranks, and done a few vandal edits, but I think it's fair to balance this small time bullshit of mine with the 1 million+ edits and 500,000+ log actions I've done. I'm no LTA or net negative. In any event, I've connected an email address in case anyone needs to talk to me. I'll be making an unblock request, and I'm afraid that may become a bit theatrical, but what the hell. I'd really like nothing more than to have this account back and do only constructive edits. Take care. Picture of the day A woman lighting the candles for Diwali, the Hindu festival of lights. In 2024, Diwali is celebrated at the end of October and beginning of November. +/− [en] Kick back and relax... Kick back and relax... But don't forget to come back! ;-) We hope (talk) 01:03, 24 March 2017 (UTC) A kitten for you! Hope you're going well. Take care! Jee 03:06, 5 June 2017 (UTC) @Jkadavoor: Hi old friend. It's nice to have your name on my talk. I wish I could be as mature and stable as you are. I was thinking of your wife as I saw this kitten again. Someday you can introduce me to her in heaven. lNeverCry 00:43, 8 October 2017 (UTC) Thanks INC for your kind words and thoughts. I was in her home for a week; just returned. Glad to saw her photo hanging on the wall of the nursing duty room where she spent her last three years, helping many patients. Jee 09:43, 15 October 2017 (UTC) We'll keep playing the music- We'll keep playing the music- and wait for you to come back and dance ;) We hope (talk) 20:12, 28 June 2017 (UTC) @We hope: It's nice to see you're still around a bit. I've known many an editor who's long gone now. I hope you and your family and friends are happy and healthy. lNeverCry 00:45, 8 October 2017 (UTC) Events of yesterday... Oh dear... How could you? I have always appreciated your input and had come to deeply respect your involvement on both the English Wikipedia and on Commons. Yesterday it seems you wreaked havoc with Commons, including deleting the main page. I don't understand. Maybe understanding is not for me to have. But I would be lying if I said I was not very disappointed and/ or mystified by what has happened under whatever guise (as Daphne or any other). You do not owe me an explanation. Still, I would like to have one so I could forgive you. Is there an explanation?? KDS4444 (talk) 10:43, 11 August 2017 (UTC) @KDS4444: I did the Daphne admin thing for one simple reason: I love being an admin here. I like doing deletions and blocks and helping people. I couldn't let it go when I lost adminship with this account. As for the night I was discovered and went on a rampage here, I was upset about it and had an episode of mania. I regretted it soon after. I don't excuse anything I've done though. I fucked up, plain and simple. I wish I could go back and not do these crazy things, but the past is in God's hands as is the future. lNeverCry 00:25, 8 October 2017 (UTC) Thank you. That is what I wanted to hear you say about you. Also, while the past may be in God's hands, the future is still in your own, I think. I don't know how a person comes back from Tartarus once cast there... Nine days is a long time for an anvil to fall. But I, for one, would welcome you back. KDS4444 (talk) 13:09, 10 October 2017 (UTC) Disappointed INC you were the best admin on this place by far and you had so much potential here you really did, As I said on the desysop page I'm not only shocked but I'm also very saddened because I considered you a best friend on here and as I said I thought you were the best admin this place has ever had, Anyway I wish you all the best for the future, Take care INC, Dave 19:10, 11 August 2017 (UTC) @Davey2010: I still consider you a friend. I loved being able to help you and others with whatever needed to be done. This was the motivation behind the Daphne account. I couldn't let go of being an admin, which I really enjoyed. Unfortunately, I'm just not mentally stable, and so I sabotage myself with bad actions. Hopefully I can fix this some day. Take care bro. lNeverCry 00:29, 8 October 2017 (UTC) Disappointed, too Actually I too was disappointed to see that an admin with high potential like you used to be has been drawn by the Dark Side of the Force. I just wish that you didn't take Commons and its sister projects as a role-playing game. -- SERGIO (aka the Blackcat) 16:38, 16 August 2017 (UTC) @Blackcat: I don't think of Commons that way. For instance, I helped Livioandronico2013 because I really felt he was being treated unfairly. I did 100K good log action with the Daphne account. Only that final blow-up was different. I went off because I was upset. I wish I hadn't, but, as they say here in the USA, wish in one hand, shit in the other, and see which one fills up first... lNeverCry 00:34, 8 October 2017 (UTC) Blocked I am sorry to hear that you are blocked due to abuse of multiple accounts. Actually both of you help me a lot, you two have contributed a lot on commons. May be after INC have been desysop, then you nominate Daphne for sysop. Actually being an admin is not important. Even you are not an admin, I can see your effort. So, don't give up yourself. I hope you can turn over a new leaf, identify why you are blocked, and promise not to do it again. The commons are always welcome for you. Best wishes. --B dash (talk) 03:10, 17 August 2017 (UTC) @B dash: Thanks for the good vibes my friend. It helps. lNeverCry 00:35, 8 October 2017 (UTC) Hi Hi my friend....write me on my email if you need --LivioAndronico (talk) 21:55, 28 August 2017 (UTC) @Livioandronico2013: Grazie Livio. It's good to hear from you old friend. I'll have to bring my Yandex account back to life one of these days. lNeverCry 00:36, 8 October 2017 (UTC) Farewell Thank you INeverCry for all those contributions to Wikimedia Commons.--It's Kong of Lazers talk to me 23:43, 29 August 2017 (UTC) Your increasing socks INeverCry widely called as INC, by your recent sockpuppet creation am amazed to call u as a godfather of socks😂. While I might not know much about you because am only a year old but your regime as Daphne as admin I was amazed seeing your contributions. The day it came into light it was you behind the veil I was shocked by it. Your contribution to Commons is wide outstanding but your recent activities as a sock hurts all here at Commons. By your excellent contribution towards wikimedia projects they are Discussion whether to accept give u a fresh start. You know what is better for the development of Commons and u too know what sockpuppettery leads. So I request you that this 38 ends here and let's all function well. Am sure the Commons community not now but in future will forget your bad works compensating the good you perform. I hope you co-operate. Thanking you --✝iѵɛɳ२२४०†ลℓк †๏ мэ 05:08, 3 October 2017 (UTC) @Tiven2240: Some sockmasters have 10,000+ socks like ISECHIKA and Calvero. Russavia even has a couple thousand. I can't say I'll stop, because that would be a lie, but I'll be sticking to productive edits as Russavia has done. lNeverCry 00:40, 8 October 2017 (UTC) m:Requests for comment/Global ban of INeverCry INeverCry please note the existence of the above proposal. For others: A request for comment has been raised at meta proposing that this account and the user be globally banned per m:Global bans. Comment should be made at the RFC page.  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:38, 5 October 2017 (UTC) Just saw it. Given that a well-known aggressive Commons admin is badly insulting me there, I have to say that I've nothing to do with the IP who initiated the GB request, nor with the request itself; even though it's actually true that I live in Berlin most of the time. I'm not for GB of INC for the simple reason that it would be just useless. CU's shall feel free to checkuser me, I've nothing to hide. Thanks --A.Savin 00:33, 6 October 2017 (UTC) @A.Savin: I have no suspicion of you being behind this IP. I thought possibly Messina, Sro23, or the person who posted above, Kong of Lasers, who is now blocked here for socking. It doesn't strike me as a proxy, but I can give it a quick scan with nmap if I have a chance. lNeverCry 16:54, 7 October 2017 (UTC) The IP isn't me either. I don't know how I'm supposed to convince you it's not me, but it really isn't. I don't know who it is. Sro23 (talk) 17:03, 7 October 2017 (UTC) Sro23 The only issue I have with you is your continued tagging of my socks on the user pages. These socks are supposed to be reported to AN/B or AN/V so an admin can handle them. If I were Guanaco I would be a bit unhappy that you are stepping on his toes a bit with your actions. He's perfectly well able to handle blocking and tagging socks. There have also been people impersonating me on various sites; what if you tag a sock of theirs wrongly as mine? What if you tag another Russavia sock as mine? In any event, I can't blame you for sock hunting, since I'm one of the all-time kings of it. I've gotten the resentment out of my system and will only be doing good edits from now on. lNeverCry 00:04, 8 October 2017 (UTC) Hi INeverCry, the IP in question is surely not one of Messina. And you should not nmap such IPs without consent, see here. This would be useless anyway as the provider in this case does not grant an IP address over a time period of more than 24 hours. (You should be familiar with all this as you have been a checkuser.) Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 04:52, 9 October 2017 (UTC) @AFBorchert: Yes, I didn't look at it any further, and didn't even know what the IP was when I responded. Mostly I wanted to assure A.Savin that I didn't suspect him at all. The whole thing is moot to me now, as I don't intend to edit here unless I'm unblocked someday. If banned, I would just move on and use Commons only to collect images for private use. Socking is too much of a hassle. For now I'll spend a little time on Russian Wikipedia, but will be spending more time reading, studying Russian, history, literature, and politics, and using various social media like VKontakte. Take care. lNeverCry 05:37, 9 October 2017 (UTC) m:User talk:INeverCry Imo, this conversation should be taken into consideration. There is this saying: you don't make music with one bell... That is also the reason why a lift of the block seems reasonable. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 20:17, 5 October 2017 (UTC) @Lotje: That is strange stuff. I've also seen WMF-banned editor Thekohser offer 50$ for a Wikipediocracy article on me. I don't find myself to be at all interest-worthy, especially as I was only an OTRS member for a grand total of 4 days, but apparently some others do. I don't know about getting unblocked - there's plenty of opposition to that, but I will be socking with constructive edits from now on. I'm saddened but resigned to what I've brought on myself. Russavia has been able to do a lot of great work as a sockmaster here, and so can I. Take care. lNeverCry 00:15, 8 October 2017 (UTC) Imho it is better to ask the WMFcommunity for a sockpuppet name instead of experimentingon your own... As long as they know what you're up to, there should not be a problem. I feel pretty convinced that (in the unlikely event) it would be advisable for Lotje to have a sockpuppet to help improve the project, this humble bee would be informed accordingly. Lotje (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2017 (UTC) Talk page access Hi, after your request I have opened talk page access for you. We both know that this may be a bit controversial, so please be careful. Jcb (talk) 21:01, 5 October 2017 (UTC) @Jcb: Thanks old friend. I'll only use this talk page for addressing my block and concerns that may be voiced on AN or elsewhere. lNeverCry 16:57, 7 October 2017 (UTC) Sleepers @Magog the Ogre and Elcobbola: Can one of you guys take a look at m:User talk:Trijnstel#My last sleepers on Commons? Trijnstel hasn't acted on my report, and these sock accounts are still live. They're all created on the same Swedish IP, so you can block all 5 with a click. Take care. lNeverCry 17:48, 9 October 2017 (UTC) Hi INeverCry, I have indef'd all the sleepers you named here. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 19:10, 9 October 2017 (UTC) @AFBorchert: Thank you. That means I now have no usable socks on Commons. lNeverCry 20:31, 9 October 2017 (UTC) Request It is so disheartening to watch you being insulted by all and sundry. You were the most prolific admin in this project's history, and you helped zillions of users in the past. Why are you insulting yourself now? Please either wait for at least six months or just forget this project altogether. Any other option will just disappoint you & your well-wishers. Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:30, 13 October 2017 (UTC) Unblock request This blocked user has asked to be unblocked. Request reason: "I realize that I've fucked up pretty badly. The Daphne account was quite a put-on, but I would point out that, until the final day when I was caught at it, I worked hard and did 100,000 good log actions, and 90,000 good edits. I shouldn't have reacted to my unmasking as I did. There's a lot of things I wouldn't do here if I could go back, but I can't. My OTRS involvement was nill. As INeverCry, I never opened a single ticket. I went to the OTRS wiki once and saw that a list of names with real life names was being contemplated, and I quit then and there. With the Daphne account, I went to the OTRS wiki twice, if I remember rightly, and my sole actions were to mark a couple of spam emails as spam. I don't even know what opening or processing an OTRS ticket involves. I'm requesting an unblock with several conditions: I would end all socking immediately under penalty of either a community ban or a permanent block/lock, and would be open to checkusering of my account to show that I'm on my home ISP which is Charter in Reno, NV. My user agent strings are: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/61.0.3163.100 Safari/537.36 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:56.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/56.0 I would ask only for the autopatrolled right and would stick to simple categorizing of uncategorized images and simple DR/CSD work (this is better done with one account, as people may have questions for me that would be lost if asked of one of my sock accounts). This would also allow Commons admins to keep better track of me. I would agree that autopatrolled would be the only right that I would have on a permanent basis, and that I would never be given advanced rights and would be permanently prohibited from adminship. I would not participate at FPC, VP, AN/U, or BN. I would likely report vandals and socks at AN/B or AN/V. I would otherwise stay out of board discussions unless I was directly pinged to answer a question. I can categorize/DR/CSD at least 200,000 or more images in a year with my INC account, which would be a significant contribution to Commons. With this account, I could do this at warp speed compared to the limitations of open proxy socks. If there are other conditions, I will do my best to answer for myself here. I've seen some people suggest taking a certain fixed period of time off. I don't see, and have never seen, the efficacy of such a condition. I've been INeverCry since 2009, and I will be the same basic INeverCry in a year or two years. I'm asking the community to give me a last chance as a simple editor with no tools that're open to abuse so that I can perform simple sorting activity. This would be under the condition that any personal attack or other unacceptable behavior would mean an instant return to an indef block. This would be the best opportunity for me and for Commons. Socking is easy, but it's a waste of time and it slows me down; I mostly use throwaway socks, so I have an 8 edit limit which makes Cat-a-lot/VFC mass DRs slow and difficult. Open proxies also have a tendency to be problematic; Hola.org, for instance, has a lot of blocked ranges. I had to stop using it and go to manual use of elite public proxies. I was much better off from 2009 to 2012 when I had no advanced rights. Adminship is something I do great with in a technical capacity, but my reactive tendencies are brought out too much. I really do think that returning to the status of a simple editor with no advanced rights would work. I don't think anyone would question my sincere dedication to Commons and my advanced editing capability. Again, if given a final opportunity, one personal attack or other example of prohibited behavior would, I fully agree, end with a fair ban/block/or lock. Socking for a long period (years) is something that I look at as a necessary evil. I don't like it, I don't like having to hide and use proxies, and I don't like adding to admin workload. Being a sockmaster is technically no challenge, but it's far from being a desirable situation. I'm asking for a last chance. It would be up to me to keep myself on the right track. I hope others will be open to an agreement that would really be a + to Commons. I can do a lot of good for Commons and maybe make up a little for the bullshit I've pulled over the years, and especially recently. As it is, the indef block of my main account isn't preventing anything at all. It has woken me up to how much it sucks to be blocked though. The last thing I would add is that, yes, I've lied quite a bit, but I meant to do a lot of what I said, but fell short; if I'm lying now, it will end in a quick re-block, so the community would be well served by an unblock. I'm almost 50, and I'm housebound except for doctor visits. I realize how stupid and obnoxious I've been, but I think if I just go to work and keep my mouth shut I can do fine as a regular Commons editor. Thanks for your time and consideration. I will avoid socking while this request is open, unless it's open for an extended length of time (just being honest). lNeverCry 03:08, 21 October 2017 (UTC)" Blocked editor Please note that trolling or otherwise abusing your ability to edit your talk page will result in that ability being revoked. Administrators If this request is declined, it should be replaced with: {{unblock declined|1=reason for request|2=decline reason ~~~~}} If this request is accepted, it should be replaced with: {{unblock granted|1=reason for request|2=grant reason ~~~~}} Do not unblock users without consulting with the administrator who placed the block, except in obvious, uncontroversial cases. Blocks marked as {{checkuserblock}} will be reviewed by a CheckUser. (Block log) (unblock) (Change local status for a global block) (contribs)  Oppose Too late. Socking will not get you unblocked; neither will threats of continued socking if this request get declined. You have been given many last chances, with similar promises. Stick to your earlier plans; otherwise you will lose the last of your already-mostly-lost trust, ultimately never be accepted ever again. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 03:40, 21 October 2017 (UTC) @Zhuyifei1999: Firstly I've never messed with you personally, so I don't understand your harsh tone. I'm a person just like you brother. None of us are perfect. So you'd rather have another long-term sockmaster like Russavia, who's still going strong after 3 years? Does that really make sense for Commons in the long run? Remember, I have nothing to lose here. My continued socking isn't a threat, it's a fact, but it doesn't have to be that way. I've never been given a chance just to edit as a simple autopatrolled user. I won't have any tools to abuse. I will do all positive edits. lNeverCry 06:01, 21 October 2017 (UTC)  Oppose As stated in the previous vote regarding this user I stated that I was originally going to oppose a block of this account when it became clear they were socking. However, their lapse in judgement of deleting the main page and going on a vandal spree got me to reconsider Despite their amount of good edits, does not excuse their amount of bad ones. We usually says blocks aren't punitive but should be preventive. This user hasn't even taken a break from their editing, something which short-term blocks are ment for. Why would we unblock an account which is indef. blocked, but for which the user hasn't even served one of thoe blocked days not editing and taking a break and reflect on the reasons that led them there. I say an unblock is way to premature, and that both the community and the user needs a break, from each other. In a couple of years, perhaps, things are diferent; but for now I oppose this request. I however decline to act on this request myself, since I was the one who euested CheckUser on this user in the first place, and I find myself involved, and it is bes if an uninvolved admin (as far as possible) act instead. --Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 05:12, 21 October 2017 (UTC) @Josve05a: You're talking about the purely hypothetical. I'm not going to take a break. I would also point out that with my horrible sockpuppets I've properly categorized several thousand taxonomy images that you yourself transferred from Flickr. It's easy to say take a year or two off, but I'm not in that game. It's not worth the candle. I enjoy editing Commons and plan to continue for many years to come. What will keeping me blocked do? I would behave properly or face a quick re-block. Commons admins would have the kill switch. lNeverCry 06:01, 21 October 2017 (UTC)