Wikidata:WikiProject University degrees/Discussions
This is a place for discussing things that we have to solve! Please use headings to divide up topics!
New properties
[edit]- Don't we need a property "awards degree" for an institution of higher learning?
- I have proposed the property "confers" officially [1] --WiseWoman (talk) 12:29, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- Can/should we enter in qualifiers for the connection between university and study program (e.g. intended duration of the program)?
- Should we have a property to define "former names" of an institution (with qualifier property of from/until)?
- Did anyone find a property for this? I can't image that there is none but we can't find any appropriate one. Should we suggest a new property for this? --ydkn (talk) 13:32, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
- Is there any property we could use to add the class of the degree as a statement e.g. A3, A5 or any other idea how to encode this?
- How do you go ahead and model if a University goes under one name but has multiple Locations, who is conferring the degree and how are the locations managed, is each university its own entity or is it part of one greater university / organisation ? --Instrument group
- Do you have an example of this? Without more context I would suggest that the university is conferring the degree and the locations could be the different institutions? --ydkn (talk) 13:36, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
- State universities, for example in Costa Rica, have many different locations. Only some degrees are granted at particular locations. A university could have only master's degrees awarded at location A and bachelor and master's degrees at location B. But that is a good point that perhaps only the "mother institution" is the one that is awarding the degrees. --WiseWoman (talk) 23:14, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
- Do you have an example of this? Without more context I would suggest that the university is conferring the degree and the locations could be the different institutions? --ydkn (talk) 13:36, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
Dealing with all the current entities
[edit]- I suggest splitting entities like Bachelor of Arts in Clinical Psychology (Q17014758) because it holds more than one atomic piece of information, the academic degree (P512) Bachelor of Arts (Q1765120) and the academic major (P812) clinical psychology (Q199906). Furthermore, I suggest splitting entities like Master of Science (Q950900) because it holds again more than one atomic piece of information, the postgraduate academic degree (P512) master's degree (Q183816) and the category "of Science" which could be reused for bachelor programs as well. I am open for a discussion on this topic as well as to find a better term then category for this. Here is a list of my findings:
- Bachelor of Arts in Clinical Psychology (Q17014758)
- Bachelor of Arts in Child Advocacy (Q16246012)
- Bachelor of Arts in Forensic Psychology (Q17014765)
- Bachelor of Arts in Organizational Psychology (Q17014775)
- Master of Arts in Teaching (Q6785153)
- Master of Arts in Special Education (Q25312845)
- Master of Arts in Geography and International Relations (Q15710741) --Flowantarl (talk) 13:49, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
- Should we add the academic discipline (Q11862829) as a qualifier to the degrees a university confers? Should this also include a time range (start/end) in which the university awards this degree for a specific discipline?
- To the time range -> If we do so, does the Bachelor's program has the same duration in a specific discipline as the Master's program. If yes, this would be possible, but if no - then we can not map this information unless we have programs like Bachelor of Arts in Clinical Psychology (Q17014758) instead of splitting the degree and the major.--Xeqpch (talk) 13:53, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thats exactly my point - splitting the degree and the field of study. But if doing so we need also additional information on the mapping between degree and discipline like start/end date a university awards this the degree in a specific discipline. In this case there can be also a qualifier for the time in years this degree is intended to be acquired by a student --ydkn (talk) 13:12, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
- To the time range -> If we do so, does the Bachelor's program has the same duration in a specific discipline as the Master's program. If yes, this would be possible, but if no - then we can not map this information unless we have programs like Bachelor of Arts in Clinical Psychology (Q17014758) instead of splitting the degree and the major.--Xeqpch (talk) 13:53, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
- What is the difference between a academic major (Q4671286) and academic discipline (Q11862829). Is one of these the "Arts" in "Bachelor of Arts", or is it the "tourism studies" in "Bachelor of Arts in tourism studies"--Xeqpch (talk) 14:00, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
- I think academic major (Q4671286) defines the exact name of the program of enrolment like "Internationaler Studiengang Medieninformatik, Master" whereas academic discipline (Q11862829) only defines the field like "Informatik" or "Medieninformatik". --ydkn (talk) 13:20, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
- I discussed this with WiseWoman (talk). Their point of view is, that a discipline is a field of research and a major is specifically for studying. So, academic major (Q4671286) is the right choice for the field of study ("tourism studies" in "Bachelor of Arts in tourism studies")
Oxford wants to be special
[edit]- There are two "Master of Arts" degrees given in Wikidata. The one Master of Arts (Q2091008) refers to a Master's degree in the fields of humanities and social sciences and the other Master of Arts (Q3297864) refers to an academic degree granted by the Universities of Oxford, Cambridge and Dublin. When clicking on the links of the second Master's degree the user can see some historic names (such as Lewis Carroll and Charles Darwin) that received these degrees. Maybe these are historical degrees. I suggest that it might be good to change the name of the second Master of Arts with a more historical reference. --Schoko und Lisa (talk) 16:07, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
- I agree on this one. --Xeqpch (talk) 12:46, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Empty academic degrees?
[edit]- The following items refer to the academic degree but have no information. I suggest that this should be used for adding new Master's degrees that are not listed in Wikidata, yet. So, there is no need to create a whole new item. If this does not work it would be better to delete these items.
- Sorry, you need to look at all of the entered languages, the first one is in Catalan: "màster en Administració Pública i Direcció d'Empreses" I just added the English translation and *poof*, it is not longer empty :) --WiseWoman (talk) 21:17, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oh, yes you are right. Obviously, I was too rash. Thanks for the tip. :) --Schoko und Lisa (talk) 14:11, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Please be careful when creating new items for degree subjects
[edit]Hi!
This project is exciting! However, please be careful when creating new items, especially for degree subjects:
- RASOM created ethnology (Q55693918): we already have ethnology (Q43455) for that.
- ErraticProfessional created Q55662099: we could use substance dependence (Q3378593) instead (which already has "drug addiction" as an alias)
I assume you have tried to reconcile topics against the "academic discipline" type or something like this, and created new items for all values which did not have a match. But the issue is that basically anything can be an academic topic, so many relevant items are not marked as instance of (P31)academic discipline (Q11862829), therefore they do not show up in the reconciliation results. I would recommend reconciling without any type constraint.
In general, if you are new to Wikidata and its tools, I would recommend not mass-creating any new items first.
Cheers, − Pintoch (talk) 14:38, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- PS: I think this page should be a talk page (it should be at Wikidata talk:WikiProject University degrees) − Pintoch (talk) 14:38, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Pintoch, thanks for the input! Yes, this should probably be a real discussion page, it kind of grew during the heat of the project work. We discovered a lot of work that is necessary to continue this project. I teach the course in semantic modelling in the summer only, so this will be dormant over the winter. I hope to get an new, enthusiastic group of students for the summer term 2019 and we can clean up and continue this project. Any contributions by others are quite welcome! --WiseWoman (talk) 23:18, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Modelling honours degrees
[edit]- There is an item honours degree (Q10862985)
- And a person that holds an Honours degree John Pickering (Q47503853)
- How to model the granting of the degree?
- This person is modeled with a Bachelor of Science Honours degreeNirmala Deenadayalu (Q21087826)
Double Degree
[edit]There is an item for double degree double degree (Q716855), and the AnonymousAmbiguousAlligators made an academic degree out of it. This can be modelled by:
educated at (P69) -> Some_institution academic degree (P512) -> Bachelor of Science (Q787674) academic degree (P512) -> double degree (Q716855) academic major (P812) -> computer science (Q21198) academic major (P812) -> theology (Q34178)
I would also think that
academic degree (P512) -> honours degree (Q10862985)
would fit in here as well.
This degree Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery (Q13948235) is modeled with two hasPart, that are also degrees.
Double Major
[edit]We the AnonymousAmbiguousAlligators currently proposing a new property "double major".
You all are welcome to discuss with us the necessity of this property and support if you like so hopefully we soon also can model a lot of double major study programs correctly in the Wikidata.
Kind regards
AnonymousAmbiguousAlligators (talk) 19:16, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Joint Degree
[edit]And then there is a degree awarded by more than one university. The group working with Finland found one degree program that has 3 universities defined for the first year of the Master and 5 for the second year. No idea how we go about modelling this! At some point you just have to give up. --WiseWoman (talk) 19:59, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Cambridge colleges in 'educated at' statements
[edit]When listing a person's undergraduate degree from Cambridge, sometimes we're listing them as educated at (P69) the university (examples), and sometimes at their college (examples). Would it be reasonable to use location (P276) to indicate the college (example)? I know that's not the original intention of that property, but I can't think of a better one. T.Shafee(evo&evo) (talk) 11:52, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- Also asked at Property_talk:P69. T.Shafee(evo&evo) (talk) 03:50, 10 December 2020 (UTC)