User talk:Johannes Richter (WMDE)

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Lionel Cristiano (talk) 14:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Coming soon: A new sub-referencing feature – try it!

Hello. For many years, community members have requested an easy way to re-use references with different details. Now, a MediaWiki solution is coming: The new sub-referencing feature will work for wikitext and Visual Editor and will enhance the existing reference system. You can continue to use different ways of referencing, but you will probably encounter sub-references in articles written by other users. More information on the project page.

We want your feedback to make sure this feature works well for you:

• Please try the current state of development on beta wiki and let us know what you think.
• Sign up here to get updates and/or invites to participate in user research activities.

Wikimedia Deutschland’s Technical Wishes team is planning to bring this feature to Wikimedia wikis later this year. We will reach out to creators/maintainers of tools and templates related to references beforehand.

Please help us spread the message. --Johannes Richter (WMDE) (talk) 11:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

re: Wikipedia beginners wanted for user testing

Hi John. I noticed your posts to very new editors on en-wiki, seeking input for user testing on de-wiki. I hope you get the response you want. But I just thought I'd suggest that you might, perhaps, get much better take up if you specify that the survey and involvement does not require knowledge of German. Not specifying that would certainly put me off were I a new user. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Nick Moyes, thanks for the advice! We were specifically looking for input for user testing on en-wiki (and of course in English). Multiple users seemed to be confused about this, so we'll make this more clear the next time we are inviting people to participate in user testing. Johannes Richter (WMDE) (talk) 07:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Sub-referencing: Request for feedback

Hello I’m Johannes from the WMDE Technical Wishes team. Four months ago, we reached out to the community to discuss the new sub-referencing feature we are currently working on. Thank you to everyone who shared their thoughts and feedback on m:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing or in local village pump discussions!

We would like to ask for your perspective again, because we’ve made changes to the wikitext syntax of sub-referencing, based on the feedback we’ve received and because it’s the only viable way of dealing with some technical limitations. Please visit m:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing#Request for feedback to read more about our approach for inline sub-referencing and share your thoughts. Thanks for your effort!

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Johannes Richter (WMDE) (talk) 15:07, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Sub-Referenzierungsfunktion

Hallo Johannes,

vielen Dank für die Information und eure Arbeit an der Sub-Referenzierungsfunktion!

Ich möchte darauf hinweisen, dass wir in der polnischen Wikipedia bereits eine Lösung in Form der Vorlage pl:template:odn (abgeleitet von „odnośnik“, was „Referenz“ bedeutet) haben. Diese Vorlage wird verwendet, um Inline-Referenzen zu erstellen und ist besonders nützlich, wenn man sich mehrfach im Artikel auf eine bibliografische Quelle beziehen möchte. Ein Beispiel für ihre Anwendung findet man im Artikel Die Geschichte der Stadt Wolin.

Habt ihr ein solches System in Betracht gezogen oder besteht die Möglichkeit, es anzupassen? Diese Vorlage funktioniert in vielen Fällen sehr gut und könnte eine einfachere Lösung darstellen als die Einführung einer neuen Wikitext-Syntax. Vielen Dank für euer Engagement und eure Bemühungen!

Beste Grüße! Zwiadowca²¹ 15:19, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Zwiadowca21, herzlichen Dank für dein Feedback! Wir haben uns Vorlagen wie odn natürlich angeschaut, die aber u.a. Probleme für VisualEditor-User erzeugen (Beispiel mit dem enwiki sfn-template). Deshalb arbeiten wir an einer MediaWiki-Lösung zur Wiederverwendung von Einzelnachweisen mit unterschiedlichen Details in der normalen references syntax. Dass diese Lösung – wenn VisualEditor und Wikitext gleich gut funktionieren sollen – allerdings manchmal Kompromisse erfordert, liegt auf der Hand. Jetzt stellt sich die Frage, ob die gefundene Lösung für Communities ok ist.

Künftig könnte es irgendwann mal ein Ansatz sein, dem VisualEditor "beizubringen", mit Vorlagen wie odn korrekt zu arbeiten, aber das erfordert viel Aufwand und mehr Ressourcen, als unser Team WMDE Technische Wünsche aktuell hat. Viele Grüße Johannes Richter (WMDE) (talk) 16:00, 17 December 2024 (UTC)