Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chronographos
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. The WordsmithTalk to me 23:08, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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I couldn't find reliable sources to prove its notability. It has been in CAT:UNREF for more than 16 years. Boleyn (talk) 16:06, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
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- @Knitsey It's a different paper. This one was first published in 1899 and was in print until 2005, but not continuously. Today's paper is only in name related to the original one. Many important journalists and/or writers had contributions to the paper, among others el:Δημοσθένης Βουτυράς (Demosthenis Voutyras), and el:Σπύρος Μελάς (Spyros Melas). ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 11:40, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- So the one source that we thought that we had doesn't even demonstrate the existence of this newspaper. How are readers to verify that this even exists at all, just for starters? The Greek Wikipedia is equally lacking in ways that readers can check that even the claim of existence is true, let alone provide a detailed article on the subject. Indeed, how can we even tell that your claim in this discussion is true, when the Greek Wikipedia equally unverifiably asserts something contradictory? Uncle G (talk) 23:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Uncle G There is an article on Chronographos in the Εγκυκλοπαίδεια Ελληνικού Τύπου 1784-1974, vol. 4, pp. 367-68 (Encyclopaedia of the Greek Press -in Greek), published by the Institute of Historical Research of the National Hellenic Research Foundation. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 11:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- So the one source that we thought that we had doesn't even demonstrate the existence of this newspaper. How are readers to verify that this even exists at all, just for starters? The Greek Wikipedia is equally lacking in ways that readers can check that even the claim of existence is true, let alone provide a detailed article on the subject. Indeed, how can we even tell that your claim in this discussion is true, when the Greek Wikipedia equally unverifiably asserts something contradictory? Uncle G (talk) 23:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Knitsey It's a different paper. This one was first published in 1899 and was in print until 2005, but not continuously. Today's paper is only in name related to the original one. Many important journalists and/or writers had contributions to the paper, among others el:Δημοσθένης Βουτυράς (Demosthenis Voutyras), and el:Σπύρος Μελάς (Spyros Melas). ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 11:40, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Journalism, News media, Companies, and Greece. Skynxnex (talk) 18:03, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:00, 7 December 2023 (UTC)- Delete. No demonstration of notability beyond WP:PASSING mentions. I've been following this discussion for a while, and did some searching myself for RS, and came up with essentially nothing. HappyWith (talk) 05:15, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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