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A fact from Bloody Saturday (photograph) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 27 January 2011 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Life magazine estimated 136 million people saw the photograph "Bloody Saturday" (detail pictured) after the August 1937 bombing of Shanghai?

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MOS:TITLE and MOS:VISUAL aren't clear on the point: is this photograph considered a separate, major work on the level of a film or TV series (Bloody Saturday) or a minor work on the level of a poem or episode ("Bloody Saturday")? Right now, we've got the main title set one way and its alternate names done the other. We should certainly be consistent in the article and ideally consistent with the other articles. — $Llywelyn II$ 13:00, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn’t it be in the same class as a painting? We italicize The Starry Night, for instance. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 05:46, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure). sst✈^(discuss) 09:21, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bloody Saturday (photograph) → Chinese baby (photograph) – "Bloody Saturday" is wrong name. This article should be renamed and Bloody Saturday (photograph) should be deleted. As long as I know, Maurits Van der Veen's Uriel's Legacy is the only identifying "reliable" source that claims Bloody Saturday may mean the bombing on August 28th 1937. (Trafford Publishing, 2003, p. 262). This photograph is widely called as "Chinese baby". Generally "Bloody Saturday" (in Chinese: 黑色星期六) means the bombing on August 14th 1937 (see 大世界墜彈慘案. Most of all sources use the term "Bloody Saturday" for the bombing on August 14th 1937 as follows:

"Bloody Saturday" — August 14, 1937 — marked the beginning of Shanghai's second military ordeal with Japan. (Frederic Wakeman Jr., Policing Shanghai, 1927-1937, p. 281.)
Chinese Air Force aircraft exploded in densely packed areas on what was almost instantly described as "Black Saturday" or "Bloody Saturday". (Peter Harmsen, Shanghai 1937: Stalingrad on the Yangtze, p. 37.)
On August 14, which came to be called Bloody Saturday, inexperienced Chinese pilots dropped bombs into the crowded streets of the International Settlement and the French Concession, killing almost two thousand civilians and wounding... (Bradford A. Lee, Britain and the Sino-Japanese War, 1937-1939: A Study in the Dilemmas of British Decline, Stanford University Press, 1973, p. 36.)
On 14 August 1937, remembered ominously in the annals of Shanghai as 'Bloody Saturday',84 the city's past finally caught up with Shanghai's foreign community. (Edward Denison、Guang Yu Ren, Building Shanghai: The Story of China's Gateway, John Wiley & Sons, 2013, )
Saturday, Bloody Saturday 14 August 1937, Shanghai, China (Herbert Roslyn Ekins, Theon Wright, China Fights for her Life, McGraw-Hill, c1938, p. 320.)
It was the bombing on August 14th, a day which became known, to people in Shanghai at least, as "Bloody Saturday". (Percy Finch, Shanghai and beyond, Scribner, 1953, p. 252.)
Then the Japanese came. Fighting in, around and over Shanghai started on Friday, August 13, 1937. "The Japanese began invading the international settlement," Allison recalls. "Japanese aircraft began bombing Chinese positions Aerial activity on the first day of the fighting at Shanghai was partly restricted by a typhoon, but Chinese pilots managed to get into the air. The following day was known nationally later as 'Bloody Saturday.' Two bombs were accidentally dropped at two main Shanghai intersections, killing or crippling 2,000 persons. A few minutes previously other bombs had struck the Palace and Cathay hotels, killing and injuring a large number of people. (Flying and Popular Aviation, July 1941, p. 46.)

Takabeg (talk) 09:07, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - the photograph has become widely known as Bloody Saturday in numerous languages fr:Samedi sanglant, es:Sábado Sangriento (fotografía), hu:Véres szombat. So even if the Chinese do not call it this, it has gained this title. —Мандичка^YO 😜 10:16, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Either way deletion of the current title is going way to far.--67.68.208.222 (talk) 00:44, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I would change to support only if a great many sources were found that called this photo some other name. It doesn't matter to me that something else is called Bloody Saturday. Binksternet (talk) 01:11, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Ruby Foo

According to the Boston Globe, after seeing the famous "Bloody Saturday" photograph of a crying baby in a bombed-out Shanghai railway station, Ruby Foo arranged to have the baby brought to the U.S., where she adopted him in 1938. In her 1950 obituary they said his name was Ronald and he was 14 years old.^[1] This claim is repeated in a 1996 "Ask the Globe" article.^[2] It also shows up in a few other places, probably repeating what was written in the Globe. I'm skeptical, since no story about it appears in the Globe in 1937-1938, and you'd think it would be pretty newsworthy. Just FYI. --MopTop (talk) 02:36, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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^ "Ruby Foo, 42, Restaurateur, Dies Suddenly". The Boston Globe. March 16, 1950. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |subscription= ignored (|url-access= suggested) (help)
^ "Ask the Globe". The Boston Globe. August 2, 1996 – via HighBeam Research. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |subscription= ignored (|url-access= suggested) (help)

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Bloody Saturday is a black-and-white photograph taken on 28 August 1937, a few minutes after a Japanese air attack struck civilians during the Battle of Shanghai in the Second Sino-Japanese War. It depicts a baby named Ping Mei, one of the few survivors of the attack, crying amid the bombed-out wreckage of Shanghai South railway station; the baby's mother lay dead nearby. The photographer, H. S. "Newsreel" Wong, owned a camera shop in Shanghai and provided photographs and films for various newspapers and agencies. Within a year of its publication, the photograph had been seen by more than 136 million people around the world, and became a cultural icon demonstrating Japanese wartime atrocities in China.

Photograph credit: H. S. Wong; restored by Yann Forget

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[globe-1] "Ruby Foo, 42, Restaurateur, Dies Suddenly". The Boston Globe. March 16, 1950. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |subscription= ignored (|url-access= suggested) (help)

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