User talk:Dclemens1971

Query about Michael Breen page

I don't understand why you're suggesting the page for deletion. Breen is the CEO of a nonprofit and previously headed a think tank, both of which have their own Wiki entries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purplewriter (talk • contribs) 14:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Please review the criteria for notability under WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Notability is not inherited by virtue of the organization someone is affiliated with but must be independently established by reliable secondary sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I reviewed it, and disagree with you -- it is notable when someone, for example, is invited to testify at a congressional hearing and when someone is listed by secondary sources as an expert in his field -- but will try to find a couple more secondary sources. Purplewriter (talk) 17:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

This article show the in formation Qalinle musicain and artist,

Qaline was a prominant Somali artist, musician, and singer. If you unhaby with this article, delete of all them 154.115.222.186 (talk) 11:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I came across this in New Page Review, reviewed the sources and did a WP:BEFORE search a determined this subject does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Please do tell

(“There’s an inner circle of the Michael Jordan(s) of signature-gatherers. I’m not trying to toot my own horn, but I am one of them.").

Please tell us what makes you an MJ of petitioners?

Thank you Alympia Firnanda.Reena (talk) 18:16, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Firnanda.Reena: It was in quotation marks because I was quoting Arenza Thigpen's comments on himself. I never said that about me; please read carefully! Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

This is what the editor is referring to, I'm guessing. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arenza Thigpen Jr. (2nd nomination) Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

skeptical approach to editing wikipedia

Hi Dclemens1971, I want to discuss having a skeptical approach to editing wikipedia. ( if there is a more appropriate place to have this discussion then I'd be happy to discuss moving this there. )

My view as someone with more than a passing interest in preserving the history of a schoolyard game is that it benefits wikipedia to record encyclopaedic knowledge across the broad spectrum of human experience.

I do like the skeptical approach generally but I do think it has its limitations and can at times be detrimental to encyclopaedic knowledge where it seeks to discredit a kids schoolyard game for example. In comparison, a skeptical approach of a wikipedia page contributor who benefits from listing their business details on the page they created on the other hand is very useful and helpful in maintaining wikipedia standards.

Let me know your thoughts perhaps? Rockycape (talk) 23:30, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

There's lots of useful knowledge in the world. Wikipedia is one place where it can be collected, but only under certain circumstances. I don't doubt that you and/or your kids play some variation of a recess game called "down-ball," but what we've asked you to do in the AfD discussion is to provide secondary, independent, reliable sources to validate this claim. The sources you've provided indicate that the term refers to other games or to the game downball, not some other game. You've also offered your personal experience and videos that you have personally uploaded. Wikipedia's core policies include no original research and verifiability, which means we need more than what you've provided. It's not "skepticism"; it's the way this site is built and anyone who wants to come into this community needs to play by those rules. Those are my thoughts. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Dclemens1971 - can you provide any further direction on what level of proof/evidence is acceptable? What are your thoughts on the proof/evidence of the existing page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopscotch? Is there another existing page that you think demonstrates sufficient proof/evidence? Rockycape (talk) 03:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

If you cannot tell the difference between the sourcing on Hopscotch and the sourcing on your "down-ball" page, I do not think it will be productive to continue this conversation. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

There is no need to be rude and I don't appreciate it. Rockycape (talk) 03:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

It is perfectly fine for an editor to state that the utility of a particular conversation has been exhausted. I do not see any rudeness here, just a commonsense attempt to save valuable time of all editors involved. Викидим (talk) 07:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Remember that you too were once a newcomer. Treat others as you were treated (or, probably, wish you had been treated) when you first arrived. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers Rockycape (talk) 22:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

See my reply to you at User talk:Викидим#Improve, don't remove. One more advice to newcomer: try to keep each discussion in one place, see WP:MULTI. Викидим (talk) 00:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

As of today the Down-ball AfD and Down-ball article has been deleted without warning. There was no consensus reached and the AfD had recently been re-listed to gain consensus. Back to the drawing board I guess. If I create this page as a draft is that acceptable to Dclemens1971 ? Rockycape (talk) 02:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

My page Down-ball existed for about two weeks before it was deleted. That's not a lot of time for a newcomer to get their article up to scatch. Now time I would have spent getting the article up to scratch is being diluted by trying to navigate the AfD and now the Deletion Review. Another Editor kindly informed me the Deletion Review would be likely decided in a week. Rockycape (talk) 06:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rockycape Please don't claim to be a newcomer; we can all see that you have been active on Wikipedia since 2018. You appear unwilling to receive feedback from a variety of other editors who have all engaged with you in good faith, and you have bludgeoned discussions at AfD and on user talk pages trying in vain to make the same point without reference to others' perspectives. I don't think it's productive for this conversation to continue at this point. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm certainly a newcomer in regard to my experience in that it's my first time participating in a AfD and now a Deletion Review. My experience is limited to creating a page back in 2018 and now a page in 2024 both of which are on the record. I get concerned when you speak as "we" so perhaps peak for yourself Dclemens1971. Happy to leave this particular discussion there as per your preference. Rockycape (talk) 23:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

"We ... all" is an inclusive we here. Everyone (including you) can check the history of edits indeed. So Dclemens1971 does not speak for any particular group here, just makes a factually correct statement. Викидим (talk) 00:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

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Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! – Joe (talk) 12:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Joe! Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Earwig PSA

You may want to read Wikipedia:NOTEARWIG. Earwig is wonderful, but it has some pretty severe limitations. Hopefully you find this helpful in the future! In the end, I did end up referring Desert fortresses of Judaea to copyright problems pending presumptive deletion after finding that some material had been blatantly lifted from one of the PDF sources. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 03:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up @GreenLipstickLesbian. Appreciate the PSA. Dclemens1971 (talk) Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks @Hey man im josh! Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:46, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Crocker Church

You will see that I accepted this. I left a rationale on its talk page. I have also warned the creating editor about ownership of articles.

Thank you for your work to seek to break the deadlock.

I have also found the creating editor almost impervious to advice. I hope they will adopt a more collegial approach over a very short time 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

@Timtrent Thanks. I voted "redirect" only, as the content and sources worth saving have already been merged and it will be a cleaner wrap on the page. The editor can carry on the debate about how much detail to include on the talk page for the church. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

I think they will carry it on for some time. 😇 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the ANI with Blanes tree

Hello @Dclemens1971: As you are a long time editor, I want to solicit your opinion about whether I should mention the following information in the ongoing Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Blanes tree discussion.

While browsing the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/W. David Marx, I noticed the sudden appearance of a new editor who is the only person to support Blanes tree's deletion request: Likisa. When they created their sandbox page shortly after registering last month, Likisa publicly identified themselves in their edit as an "alt of Bloxxer"—an editor still indefinitely site-blocked for misbehavior and for being a sockpuppet of Wagner, likewise indefinitely blocked for abuse and sockpuppetry. Wagner has over 60+ indefinitely blocked alts. See Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Wagner.

Again, it's curious that this brand-new alt account with barely a few edits, created by an editor who has been indefinitely blocked 60+ times for misconduct and sockpuppetry, suddenly appeared to support Blanes tree's deletion request. Should I include this information in the ongoing incident report or do you think this would muddy the waters too much? — Flask (talk) 03:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

@Flask Mildly suspicious but not dispositive, and the original situation is resolved. If you want to report likisa, I think the best forum is SPI. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:52, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

If you're wondering, yes. I'm a alt of Bloxxer. I will say that this is not a sockpuppet. Instead i just fix red links a lot. I may not be that much active. Likisa (talk) 12:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

It's a bit funny, but, yeah. I'm not a sockpuppet of Wagner. I head of that military thingy called Wagner, but not a actual Wikipedian User (lmao) And 60+ times? I don't remember it LOL.

Also, i apologize for doing that "One Piece is based off a true story" troll. ButcherDoom was just a account I WANTED to get it banned, so theres's that. I will admit it. Likisa (talk) 12:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Blane's deletion request, but he is pretty heckin stupid, outside of it. My user page was clearly bad and i contradict all of it. Bloxxer was a account created by me i think, but i'm not like a Albert Einstein. I will say that, i didn't know that Bloxxer was a sockpuppet account created by Wagner. Likisa (talk) 12:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I forgot what time i made the Bloxxer account, lol. Likisa (talk) 12:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Flask...

Wagner and his socks have not edited here since 2012-2013, and I think it is pretty unlikely they would come back after 11 years and edit in a completely different topic area (video games for Wagner, but Turkish articles for Likisa; just compare the contribs). Likisa also seems to be ESL and so what they meant by alt of Bloxxer could have been BloxxerWhat instead, as they claim in their unblock request. That was simply lost in translation. Them being BloxxerWhat would fit better, as BloxxerWhat also has interest in subject matter related to Turkey.

I'm not sure if @PhilKnight confirmed this by CheckUser, but an SPI case wasn't opened when it should have been. Not really ideal to make blind accusations like this without evidence. If the sockpuppetry was indeed confirmed by CU, then I apologize. But personally, I think the case would fall flat on its face because there simply aren't compelling diffs that would imply WP:DUCK behavior to connect Likisa to Wagner and his socks.

I'm sorry, but until it is proven otherwise, this was simply a bad block based on unfounded accusations. — That Coptic Guy^{ping me!} (talk) (contribs) 02:54, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@Flask @That Coptic Guy @Likisa As I said above, I don't think there was anything dispositive here and I was only pointing out that SPI is the place to raise that question, not AN/I. I have no opinion on this block and would appreciate it if users could move this off my talk page to a different forum. Thanks! Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

HI

Hello how are you? can you check this topic and what is your opinion ?

Ilovethehistory9 (talk) 13:59, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand the query and I am not sure why you are spamming lots of talk pages with the same message. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the inconvenience, I'm asking about the topic and I think there should be a page about it if you're interested Ilovethehistory9 (talk) 14:03, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

That subject is not notable for a Wikipedia entry. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

why ? We have reliable and comprehensive coverage in several languages ​​from well-known local newspapers

from Anadolu Agency - TRT World - daily sabah and in turkish - yeni safak - aksam and more in turkish and arabic Ilovethehistory9 (talk) 14:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Fine, create a draft and submit it at Articles for Creation. If you have good sources, then it will be accepted. It you have general questions, please visit the Teahouse. Asking random editors for their opinion on hypothetical articles will not help get an article written and reviewed. Have a nice day! Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

They won't be able to create a draft, as they are once again blocked for block evasion. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:39, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Ohnoitsjamie, did not know the history on this particular sockmaster. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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