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Cultural appropriation
The article makes no mention of Messianic Judaism as a Christian cultural appropriation of Judaism. This should be mentioned within the article. Even the section of Messianic Judaism's reception among Jews makes no mention of cultural appropriation. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 11:20, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly. Jewishness/Judaism isn't only a religion, but also a culture and ethnicity. Cultural appropriation has also been discussed in the context of Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. A Google search for 'Jewish cultural appropriation' yields over 2 million results. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 14:24, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, very few religions could be likened to such. Most of the world's religions have no great interest in converts, or spreading themselves, or converting the world to their ways. Just a couple do. SomerIsland (talk) 05:11, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Messianic Judaism is a legitimate branch of Judaism. Its followers follow the Torah and worship the God of Israel. The verses that support Jesus as our Messiah are present. Ladston772 (talk) 04:44, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So long as adherence to the Talmud is not a requirement for a sect to be "a Judaism" then Messianic Judaism is as you say a legitimate branch. Another branch which does not adhere to the Talmud is the Karaites; they also do not follow the rulings of the Sanhedrin. As for having decided someone is the Messiah, the followers of Menachem Mendel Schneerson are still considered a legitimate branch. Many who claim Yeshua as their Messiah make themselves distinct from Judaism but those also do not claim to be Messianic Jews. BarakYirok (talk) 00:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Messianic Judaism is not modern. Yeshua and his followers were all Jews. Reference BIBLE, DEAD SEA SCROLLS. JEWISH history. Even Jewish historians that are orthodox have recorded ALL of Yeshua’s followers were Jews. This is why Pharisees and Sadducee's were so upset. Because they felt Yeshua was leading the Jewish people astray Kew9543 (talk) 13:41, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have never seen 'Messianic Judaism' used to refer to Jesus's followers or historical Christians. I have only seen it used to describe more modern groups (to be fair, my experience with the label has mostly been people insulting it). Given that it refers to a modern religious groups and not to a historical one, I see no reason why the history as it is currently written is incorrect (Though some parts of the article - specifically the first paragraph - seem to have a citation problem).
Can you provide a source for where the Dead sea scrolls talk about Jesus? I have found no sources saying such and a one (possibly two if National Geographic would let me read the article proper and not just the excerpt on the search results page. Oh well) saying the opposite. I was under the impression that they mostly predate him. Sgeress (talk) 05:15, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The word "Christ" in Christian is the anglicized word for "Khristós" the Greek word for "Messiah". The Christian Bible's first half is the Old Testament: The Hebrew Bible. The Catholic Church used politics and misinformation to culturally separate Christianity from it's Jewish nature, but that was clearly forced. Messianic Judaism is literally the original Christianity by any rationality based on knowledge of historical Judaism and Christianity, even if the English term itself is relatively modern. 24.95.39.54 (talk) 11:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Greek word "Khristos" was used to translate Hebrew "Moshiach", Messiah". It is a title, not a person's name. Judaism is, any rabbi will tell you, a "Messianic" religion, because Jews look forward to the Messiah. All Jews in the 1st century were "Messianic", just as they are today. None of this means in any way that references to a "Messiah" in the Old Testament and other Jewish literature are referring to the man named Yeshua in the 1st century. "Messianic Jews" as a term for Jewish "followers of Yeshua" is a modern development, mostly since the 1970s. This is already well-documented in the article. Eastcote (talk) 23:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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"The Messianic Jewish Alliance of America (MJAA) began in 1915 as the Hebrew Christian Alliance of America (HCAA)" 108.48.166.18 (talk) 20:31, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]