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    May 20

    Pet care?

    Over at the Betta article, an external link was added to a care guide. Aside from it probably being spam, I thought I'd ask: is it appropriate to have care guides linked from a Wikipedia article (that isn't about pet care, but is about an animal commonly kept as a pet)? I would think no, but wanted, to use a cliche, consensus. IAmNitpicking (talk) 01:32, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Inappropriate: see WP:NOTHOWTO. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:57, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I've removed the external link from the article as well as a similar one from Rainbow shark. In addition to NOTHOWTO, there's also WP:NOBLOG, which pretty much says that random blogs from non-notable people should not be external links. SkyWarrior 02:20, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you (and @AndyTheGrump). IAmNitpicking (talk) 01:13, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    i didnt exsacly violate the community guidelines!

    please give me back i didnt read the community guidelines KodBake (talk) 10:05, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    You are not currently WP:BLOCKED from editing and I can't see any article contributions either. More detail needed.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:13, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe you violated them inexactly. Give what back to you? Or give you back to what? -- Hoary (talk) 10:15, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I presume you are talking about your experience at Slovenian Wikipedia. You need to ask there, not here. English Wikipedia is a separate project, and probably nobody reading this has any knowledge or influence at sl Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 15:36, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Aversion security

    Hi would it be possible for me to become a part of Wikipedia community and have a sort of membership that would be used for aversion purpose. I believe that my younger version is actually detrimental to Wikipedia’s economic credit. Anidubey 91 (talk) 11:31, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    hi @Anidubey 91 and welcome to the Help Desk! you are already a member of Wikipedia! what do you mean by "aversion purpose" and "my younger version"? do you mean that in the past, you did things that you regret that you want to have a clean start from? 💜  melecie  talk - 11:49, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Looking at the thread above, I am now wondering whether these are spam or sock edits.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:30, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Logspeed CZ Arena

    Good morning, could someone correct the title of the "Logspeed CZ Arena" page? The word "Arena" needs the acute accent ("é"). JackkBrown (talk) 13:17, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    This would be accomplished (perhaps by yourself) according to WP:Move, but retaining a redirect from the non-é title would be essential because many searchers cannot conveniently input accented characters.
    However, the principle of WP:Article titles#Common name must be considered. This is the English Wikipedia – in English-language sources, is the name written most commonly with or without the accent? Article titles should not be made technically correct if this reduces the practical utility of the encyclopaedia. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 13:37, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no source in the article - English or Czech - which gives the name. In fact the only source in the article (which I have just rescued from the Wayback machine) is a press release about a previous renaming of the stadium. I have tagged it with several tags, including probable non-notability. JackkBrown, I suspect that you have already spent more time on this article that it is worth, and I have gone and wasted even more. ColinFine (talk) 15:50, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Joseph Ferris Perry House article

    I submitted recently an article to be reviewed and published. How long does it take to do that? My login is bermudezsolutions.

    I look forward to hearing from you.

    Regards.

    Daniel. Bermudezsolutions (talk) 16:49, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    information Note: OP has been softblocked for contravening the username policy. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:15, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Draft:Joseph Ferris Perry House has not in fact been submitted. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:45, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    You have not submitted the draft for review. If you do so in its present state, I am confident that it will be declined, because it does not have any independent sources about the house. Please find at least three sources that meet the golden rule, or the draft has little chance of being accepted. ColinFine (talk) 18:47, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Certainly, the draft needs work, such as removing trivia like "Radiators are in good working order." More references would be great. There is biographical information about Joseph Ferris Perry here. That being said, I think that there is a strong presumption that locations on the National Register of Historic Places are notable. Resources are available at Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. Cullen328 (talk) 18:59, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a copy of Draft:Joseph F. Perry House. Same author? Cabayi (talk) 09:39, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    it was a misunderstanding, I apologize

    I thought I violated the community guidelines but I didn't! I apologize KodBake (talk) 19:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    As I said above, on English Wikipedia you have done nothing at all except apologise three times. The place where you have had material speedily deleted is on Slovenian Wikipedia, which is completely separate from English Wikipedia: that is where you should direct your apology. ColinFine (talk) 21:37, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    How do I create hyperlinks Macalexx (talk) 22:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    @Macalexx: See Help:Link. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:44, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    AAN doesn't work

    I don't get {{aan}}'s navigation on User talk:Aaron Liu/Notifications 2, with or without the underscore in the prefix parameter. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:39, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    I have added   for the space per Template:Automatic archive navigator#Optional parameters.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 00:03, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh my good lord I must have confused URL and HTML encoding. Thanks! Aaron Liu (talk) 00:05, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    May 21

    Pescara

    Would anyone have an idea how to change the order of the monuments in the first caption? I thought... there is an image in the middle, and therefore it's not correct to use the order "clockwise from top". Page: Pescara. JackkBrown (talk) 01:46, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    @JackkBrown: You can't change the photo layout unless you create a new montage like File:Pescara_Montage_2018.png. You can edit the info box to use better wording for the caption, if you like. RudolfRed (talk) 04:02, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @JackkBrown: change the caption:
    top: Port of Pescara and Gran Sasso d'Italia; centre: Palazzo Imperato, Fountain La Nave, Church of the Sacred Heart; bottom: Palazzo di Città, Aurum Museum
    I'm not a fan of fixed montages like this as they cause difficulties like the one you're experiencing. There are other tools which could be used, such as {{multiple image}}. Bazza (talk) 09:18, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @RudolfRed: that's what I meant... JackkBrown (talk) 10:31, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Bazza 7: thanks a lot! JackkBrown (talk) 13:18, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    I’ve been accused of abusing multiple accounts, yet I only have one account, so what recourse do I have?

    I’ve been accused of Sockpuppetry, yet nothing I’ve ever done is a in any way connected to abusing multiple accounts. This is a completely bogus charge, and I feel that I’ve been defamed. Gomerhodge9 (talk) 03:41, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    hi @Gomerhodge9 and welcome to the Help Desk! you do not seem to have been accused of sockpuppetry (and this seems to be your very first edit), however analyzing the edit filter logs you have tripped, you seem to have tripped a private LTA flag. is that what you meant? 💜  melecie  talk - 03:59, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I’m not well-versed in the lingo, but I suppose that could be the case. I’ve only ever done minor edits in completely good faith. Is it possible someone else has somehow hacked me (or something else to that effect)? Gomerhodge9 (talk) 04:04, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Gomerhodge9 Your edit history only has the two posts you posted here. Where did you make these minor edits? 331dot (talk) 06:15, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    The link you get from this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Västerbotten_cheese fails, the ”V” page is shown instead Replacing the ”ä” with ”a” works: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasterbotten_cheese

    I conclude there are a bug in the URL generation from the title. 94.254.99.106 (talk) 09:32, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Sorry, my fault. The page I added it to deleted the ”ä”. Wikipedia works fine! 94.254.99.106 (talk) 09:35, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Creating Serebii.net

    Hi! The page Serebii.net seems to have been created and deleted several times from 2006–2007, and was indefinitely protected from being recreated in 2012. However, I see no reason why it can't be recreated today as a redirect. In fact, it currently exists under a different name: Serebii (Website) redirects to Pokémon#Fan community.

    As such, I would like to request that it be recreated. I'm not an administrator and as such can't do it myself, and am also not sure where to go to officially request these types of things. I know Wikipedia:Requested articles exists, but that seems to be for requesting other editors to write standalone pages. I only want to unprotect this page and make it into a redirect.

    Thank you! Loytra (talk) 09:33, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    hi @Loytra and welcome to the Help Desk! you may create a draft at Draft:Serebii.net, which is not protected, and pass it through the usual Articles for creation process. Since this seems to be your first proper article (I apologize if I'm wrong), you might wanna read Your first article and Notability (as well as Reliable sources if you haven't yet, and if you had a review is still nice). happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 10:39, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @loytra: the above answer is wrong. request the redirect creation at the wikipedia:administrators' noticeboard. lettherebedarklight晚安 10:52, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I completely thought they were referring to making a new article, that's what HD/TH tunnel vision does to you. remind me to read sometimes. apologies for the answer!
    actually, won't Requests for reduction in protection level work as well? happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 11:07, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Gianni Morandi

    Good morning, I would like to enrich the page dedicated to Gianni Morandi. If I copy the corresponding text from Wikipedia in Italian language, translate it and paste it here, is that allowed? JackkBrown (talk) 11:56, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    @JackkBrown: Yes and no. A detailed answer can be found at Help:Translation. While content can be translated from another language, you must attribute where you got it from (usually via edit summary) and check to see that it complies with policies on this Wikipedia project, particularly verifiability.
    Also please don't machine translate. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:51, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    programming element. valid?

    There are lot of articles with {{#ifeq: {{NAMESPACE}} | బొమ్మ | | }} on te wiki. బొమ్మ means image. Preview does not show anything. Is it okay to remove it? As of now i am commenting it out. రుద్రుడు చెచ్క్వికి (talk) 14:01, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    for example: https://te.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B0%95%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%AF%E0%B1%82_%E0%B0%A1%E0%B1%87%E0%B0%9F%E0%B0%BE_%E0%B0%A8%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%B0%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%AE%E0%B0%BE%E0%B0%A3%E0%B0%82&oldid=3883088 రుద్రుడు చెచ్క్వికి (talk) 14:23, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @రుద్రుడు చెచ్క్వికి: This is the help desk for the English Wikipedia. You appear to be asking about some other Wikipedia. You will need to ask on their help desk, since different Wikipedias can have different policies and conventions. On the English Wikipedia, a construct like this would allow you to code a non-free image in a Draft article that will not appear until the draft is moved into the main namespace, or perhaps added to an article before moving it from mainspace back into draft space. This could be useful because non-free images are not permitted except in main space due to our extremely conservative interpretation of copyright law. -Arch dude (talk) 14:27, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @రుద్రుడు చెచ్క్వికి: I don't know Telugu but examined the background. The code originally [2] said {{ #ifeq: {{NAMESPACE}} | బొమ్మ | [[వర్గం:తొలగించవలసిన బొమ్మలు]] | [[వర్గం:తొలగించవలసిన వ్యాసములు]]}}. It means: If the namespace is called బొమ్మ (image) then add te:వర్గం:తొలగించవలసిన బొమ్మలు which is apparently a Telugu category for images nominated for deletion. If the namespace is not బొమ్మ then add te:వర్గం:తొలగించవలసిన వ్యాసములు which is another category for pages nominated for deletion. The Telugu Wikipedia currently has no namespace called బొమ్మ (image) so the condition would be false no matter where the code is. However, long ago Wikipedia changed the "Image" namespace to be called "File" (దస్త్రం in Telugu) because it can contain other types of files than images. If the code had said దస్త్రం (file) then it would have tested whether the proposed deletion was of a file and originally used it to decide which category to add. The current version of the code has removed the categories so it does nothing. I don't know the Telugu deletion processes or language so I'm not sure whether something should be done other than removing the currently broken code. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    File:0x10c_logo.png is probably in the Public Domain

    I've already said this on WP:MCQ , so I'll just copy-paste the same thing here so I can get a faster answer:

    The tag on File:0x10c_logo.png says that it's protected by copyright but I think that it's in the Public Domain. After reading commons:COM:TOO Sweden (the country the logo originated from) and commons:COM:TOO US , I'm pretty sure the logo does not meet the threshold of originality in both countries. Is it okay if I change the tag to Template:pd-textlogo ? Zbelios (talk) 14:33, 21 May 2023 (UTC

    I am not an expert in such matters, but speaking as a disinterested passer-by, it looks pretty original to me – my former profession included elements of typography and graphics, and I don't recall ever seeing that particular 3-D lettering style, so it's not just using a common typeface. My rule-of-thumb for non-originality would be "can you describe the logo in a few words that would enable someone to duplicate it accurately?" Perhaps there are better ones. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 15:15, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    " '0x10c' written with simple gray letters, extending into the background. "
    Looks pretty simple to be copyrighted to me. Zbelios (talk) 15:45, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    2017 Wikitext Editor

    Hello. Somehow I have activated the 2017 Wikitext Editor on my account and I have no idea how to fix it. Cherrell410 (talk) 15:05, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    @Cherrell410 See this link for what it is/was and how to turn it off. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:13, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Sarve

    I am having an issue with the reference this page uses. If you click the link it says access restricted and the ref tag shows {EHAK|7438} as the ref. What is this? 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:D41E:2828:7AA7:A58D (talk) 18:59, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi IP editor. It appears that the citation is now a dead link to an Estonian website and I can't find it at the Wayback machine. Some information on the village of Sarve is now at an Estonian statistics website with this search in English but I'm not sure what would be the best content to link to. Perhaps you would like to take a look and amend the article accordingly. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:46, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Can I make a page on "Tripper (Chess)" over redirect to Fairy chess pieces?

    Alright, so, first things first, the Greek Wikipedia has an article on this piece, whereas the English Wikipedia has a redirect to the page on fairy pieces. Am I allowed to replace the redirect with a new article on this piece?

    Signed, [[User:The Master of Hedgehogs|The Master of Hedgehogs]] (talk) 19:51, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello. The (first part of the) answer to all questions about "Can I make an article about XXX?" is "Can you find several reliable sources, wholly independent of the subject, each of which contains significant coverage of the subject?".
    If the answer is "No", then you cannot make an acceptable article about the subject.
    The Greek article el:Ταξιδευτής (σκάκι) contains only two citations, both to Chessvariants.org. I'm not sure whether Wikipedia would regard that as a reliable source (The Chess Variant Pages quotes a description of it as "run by hobbyists for hobbyists"), but in any case the pages in question say "This page is written by the game's inventor, Ralph Betza", which means that it is assuredly not an independent source. So what you should not do is translate the Greek article, without finding more sources.
    It seems likely that the David Pritchard book would be acceptable as a source (it is published by a reputable publisher, though whether his role as the president of the BCVS would make it non-independent is not clear to me). But you would certainly need more sources, and preferably from writers unconnected with the society. ColinFine (talk) 21:42, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    P.S. The diagram on the Greek Wikipedia article shows a ship/boat Signed, [[User:The Master of Hedgehogs|The Master of Hedgehogs]] (talk) 19:51, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    New template category not populating?

    I recently created a new template, Template:27TeamBracket-3way (for a three-round knockout tournament with three competitors per match; see Celebrity Jeopardy! (2022 TV series) for an example) as well as a parent category, Category:27-Team bracket templates, which I added the new template to via its documentation, the same way that similar templates like Template:9TeamBracket-3way was added to a similar category. I'm aware there's sometimes a caching delay with categories, but it's been several days and it hasn't shown up, and the category has been tagged for speedy deletion as empty. What step have I missed? — stickguy (:^›)— || talk || 20:15, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't think you've missed anything (i.e what you did should have worked), but you can force the caching issue to go away by WP:NULLEDITing the template. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:17, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, that worked, thanks! — stickguy (:^›)— || talk || 20:20, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    How to locate WP initiaties?

    Greetings,
    How do I locate past and present WP initiatives? Today, I am specifically interested in an initiative from a few months ago called (I think) "She Said" or something similar.
    Thank you for your help, Wordreader (talk) 21:31, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    @Wordreader: You can search the project namespace with wp: in front of a search. wp:"she said" doesn't give relevant results but wp:shesaid finds a tab at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Loves Women linking to meta:Wiki Loves Women/SheSaid. Some initiatives are at Meta which is not searched by our search box but you can start a search at meta: where meta:SheSaid redirects to meta:Wiki Loves Women/SheSaid. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]


    May 22

    How do I delete my account?

    How do I delete my account? Elipencils1990 (talk) 00:25, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    hi @Elipencils1990 and welcome to Wikipedia! unfortunately due to technical and legal (basically, the attribution to your edits cannot be removed) reasons, deletion of accounts is not really possible. you may just abandon the account you're using instead. happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:29, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    A courtesy vanishing may be possible. 331dot (talk) 00:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Glen Affric

    Ref number 25 is all wrong I think - please leave in quote if you fix this up. Thank you in advance. 115.70.23.77 (talk) 01:44, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't see an obvious (to me) error. Please explain what is wrong and what you have done to try and fix it. RudolfRed (talk) 01:58, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    (1) For some reason, you've got © Future US, Inc. Full 7th Floor, 130 West 42nd Street, New York, NY 10036 within the value for "journal=". Simply delete it. (2) We read: Since 2008 this land has been held by David Matthews, whose eldest son James Matthews is married to Pippa Middleton, sister to Catherine, Princess of Wales. Does "held" mean "owned"; and if not, what does it mean? When we mention somebody, why also mention his son, who the son is married to, and who the sister of the wife is? -- Hoary (talk) 03:31, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    No response, either here or as edits to the article. So I did this. I hope that the result is a slight improvement. But what a verbose affair! A representative sample: In 1894 Edward Marjoribanks, 2nd Baron Tweedmouth had inherited the Glenaffric and Guisachan estates from his father. His wife, the Baroness Tweedmouth, was born Lady Fanny Spencer-Churchill, the daughter of the 7th Duke of Marlborough, and died at Glen Affric Lodge in 1904. Known in the highlands as the Lady of Glenaffric and Guisachan, she was reported to be a "lover of the golden retriever dog". So we get three names for one person who's not described as having any effect on the subject of the article (though she did like dogs). -- Hoary (talk) 02:42, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    how to color a table in wikipedia

    how to color a table in wikipedia BreadGuy1922AUTOMOBILE (talk) 03:27, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    hi @BreadGuy1922AUTOMOBILE! you may color a cell in a table using CSS by adding style="background: #ff0000" | [table contents] as the contents of a cell. see Tables for more. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 03:51, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    already figured it out. thanks though BreadGuy1922AUTOMOBILE (talk) 03:57, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @BreadGuy1922AUTOMOBILE: Be aware, if you colour backgrounds, that you also need to consider WP:ACCESSIBILITY for the foreground colour. See MOS:CONTRAST, and this tool for checking. Your sandbox (currently) looks ok. Bazza (talk) 08:08, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia Knowledge Block

    Trull Service is one of the notable mineral management companies which was founded in 1910 by B.W. Trull. Trull relocated to Midfield, Texas near the Texas Gulf Coast, and quickly began acquiring land while developing his business through agricultural and oil and gas endeavors.

    Suggest some ideas of creating Wikipedia knowledge block for this service. Trullservice9 (talk) 09:48, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    @trullservice9: what? we don't have knowledge blocks. are you talking about an article? lettherebedarklight晚安 09:49, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Trullservice9: Before you edit any further, please
    1. Read the policy about paid contributions and do the appropriate (mandatory) disclosure, assuming you are an employee / contractor for Trull Service
    2. Because usernames implying shared use are not allowed, go to Special:GlobalRenameRequest and ask for a change of username to something specific to the person rather than the company. (For instance, "JohnDoeAtTrullService" is fine.)
    Once that’s done, please read about Wikipedia’s specific notion of "notability". It does not mean "worthy of being noted", it means "already noted". That is proven by sources that are (1) independent of the subject, (2) reliable, and (3) deal with the subject at length. In 99% of cases, that would be in-depth newspaper articles.
    In a cursory web search, I found nothing proving that Trull Service is notable under Wikipedia’s definition of the term. However, it is very possible that non-online sources exist, or paywalled sources, or industry-specific sources that do not come up high in online searches, etc. Do you have anything? TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 10:07, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    If you are talking about the block of information which Google often shows, that is Google's affair, not Wikipedia's. It often draws information from Wikipedia (which it is entitled to do), and many people mistakenly think it all comes from Wikipedia.
    If there were a Wikipedia article on Trull Service, it is likely that Google would display a block including infornation from there. But Wikipedia has no control over how Google uses its information. As others have explained, there can be a Wikipedia article on the company only if it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 10:40, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Furthermore, creating a complete new article on Wikipedia is genuinely one of the most difficult things you can do here: try reading Wikipedia:Your first article. The learning curve - including mastering the jargon - is very steep indeed. P.S. If you have anything to do with the company's website, https://trullservice.com/, I suggest you get them to fire the graphic designer and change the layout: black text over a dark green image on the home page is totally illegible, and the https://trullservice.com/mineral-management-company-in-texas/ page looks as if it has been severely ████████ redacted. MinorProphet (talk) 11:40, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Which template to use: Strong or Em

    MOS:BOLD says this:

    For semantical emphasis (to denote importance, seriousness, or urgency), you can also use the HTML element <strong>...</strong>, or the template {{strong}}. This is desirable because the words can stand out for text to speech and other software, important due to accessibility issues.

    It then contradicts this in the When not to use boldface section:

    Avoid using boldface for emphasis in article text. Instead, use HTML's <em>...</em> element or the {{em|...}} template (which usually render as italic).

    So which one should be used? Aaron Liu (talk) 11:38, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    I would suggest that apart from distinguishing the subject title of an article or associated words eg the Wikipedia Help Desk, there is very rarely any need for bold in standard article text, and almost never for emphasis. The {{em}} should be sparingly used, but even then the MOS recommends re-writing if possible to avoid the need for emphasis at all. Otherwise use ''plain italics'', and things like {{lang}} can be used for foreign languages. Do you have a specific example? MinorProphet (talk) 12:06, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    <em>...</em> and <strong>...</strong> have semantic meaning: stress and importance respectively; see The em element and The strong element. MediaWiki uses <strong>...</strong> for various error messages. I don't know if MediaWiki uses <em>...</em>.
    Article text in Wikipedia's voice should not need either of these tags.
    —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:00, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    How do I crop a photo in an infobox picture?

    Do I need to go to the Wikimedia Commons page and make a new, cropped, version? Or is there a way to use the existing photo and add some parameters to center-crop it? Wes sideman (talk) 13:54, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    @Wes sideman There is a good cropping tool on Commons but the alternatives are described at H:PIC, especially Help:Pictures#Tip. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:06, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Wes sideman, there's no need to create and upload a cropped version, you can just use a "detail", a cropped version, of an image at Commons. For how, see User:Maproom/cropping. An advantage is that it's then very easy to adjust the cropping if you've want to change it. Maproom (talk) 16:09, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Maproom, @Wes sideman. There is another consideration when cropping using the {{CSS image crop}} method within an infobox. If you do so rather than use a true crop (via Commons) then the page preview that appears for example with the navigation tool is the full uncropped image. You can see this by previewing the link Maproom provided. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:37, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    myself

    Can I add myself to Wikipedia? I am the first American woman ever to win child custody in an Egyptian court. 2600:1700:EB40:6A80:5D8:5019:B315:7A5C (talk) 14:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    No, you can't; all you have to do is ask that the article be written. If I may ask, who are you specifically? Dancing Dollar (let's talk) 14:20, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It is not absolutely forbidden for people to write about themselves, but it is highly discouraged. She may proceed as I describe below if she chooses. 331dot (talk) 14:21, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    (ec) Wikipedia is not a place for people to write about themselves(please see the autobiography policy)- it is a place to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. If independent sources write about you and the significance of you winning custody in Egypt, an article may be possible, but it would be best if independent editors wholly unconnected with you wrote it. It is usually difficult for people to write about themselves as Wikipedia requires, but if you truly feel you can do so, please see Articles for Creation regarding creating and submitting a draft. 331dot (talk) 14:20, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    You should also be aware of the very good reasons to not want an article about yourself. 331dot (talk) 14:22, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I second the above advice. Congratulations, American woman, but you may end up with more enemies than friends. If anything goes wrong in, say ten years time, and it gets into the papers, and there is a Wikipedia article about you, you may rue the day when you wished for fame. Stay proud and anonymous. MinorProphet (talk) 15:53, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, if my notability was something along those lines, I think I'd prefer to keep that notability under the radar. Uporządnicki (talk) 18:46, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Where to find articles missing in English

    Hi there,

    I had a question regarding translations and what articles are missing from the English Wikipedia. Is there a place where it shows what articles are on other Wikis but not here? For example, for the Russian Wikipedia, would there potentially be a list of articles there that are not here? I'm not talking about something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_needing_translation_from_Russian_Wikipedia

    That is simply a list of articles that have an expansion tag at the top; those articles exist already. I'm looking for those that don't exist here at all but do on other language Wikis. Thanks in advance for the help! Losipov (talk) 18:23, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    @Losipov, WP:WikiProject Intertranswiki is the place where such efforts are coordinated, and they have lists of various articles which they've deemed need translation. You could start at Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Russian/Biography, then move on to buildings, culture, etc. via the links at the top, looking for something which interests you. (Not all of the categories have a "Missing articles" section, but some do.) 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:45, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    If you are interested in writing articles about women, Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red has redlists at WP:WIR/REDLIST. TSventon (talk) 19:00, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Mansfield bus station

    Hi, Could someone please fix the cite issue at Mansfield bus station please because I cannot figure out for the life of me what the actual issue is, I know it's going to be something stupidly simple because it always is, Many thanks, –Davey2010Talk 20:12, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    @Davey2010: Done it. (Used visual editor's cite in automatic mode.) And fixed infobox-disabled at the same time. Bazza (talk) 20:19, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Many thanks @Bazza 7 your help is greatly appreciated, Many thanks, Kind Regards, –Davey2010Talk 20:21, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Igbo Jews

    The information needs to be updated for the recognition of the Igbo Jews. They have been recognized by the Sepharad Bet din Obadyah Alliance In Florida. Once Approved by One Bet din it goes for all bet din. "On the 14th day of January 2022 [12 Shebat 5782], the Jewish Rabbinate of the Obadyah Alliance [Dayan Jacob de Oliveira, Dayan Eliezer Tabor, Dayan Yehonatan Elazar-DeMota, Rabbi Hananiah Cohen, and Rabbi Haim Ovadia] ruled that the Igbos of Nigeria are descendants of ancient Israelites. Please do your research and update this information. Igbo1961 (talk) 21:11, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Noted. Remember that Wikipedia is a volunteer community, so it could take anywhere from hours to decades before sourced information is added to Igbo Jews. And that is assuming it is notable enough to mention in the article. Do not edit the article directly, as you have a WP:COI (from your username). Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 21:17, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    There are somewhere around 40 million Igbo people. Being one of them does not constitute a conflict of interest, any more than being say Icelandic would involve a CoI editing an article concerning Iceland. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:26, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Richard Fletcher Conductor Page

    First question: I would like to add a photo to my wiki page. Could someone tell me how to do that?

    Second question: I would like to add the additional information that appears on the right side when you look up a name. It usually has the name, information, and sometimes several photos. How do I add this? Rfprizm (talk) 21:36, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    I would note that it is not your "wiki page", but a Wikipedia article about you. The easiest way for you to add a photo of yourself is to take a selfie, and then see this page for instructions on uploading. 331dot (talk) 21:45, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    How can I upload a pre-existing photo of myself? Rfprizm (talk) 21:49, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Rfprizm, it must be a photo you own the copyright to (or which is freely licensed). The easiest way to make sure you own the copyright is to take it yourself. Then you can use the WP:Upload wizard. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The above user is correct. A pre existing photo would need to be uploaded by whomever owns the copyright to it, that is almost always the photographer. Unless you had a contract with the photographer assigning you the copyright, you couldn't upload an image you did not take. That's why using a selfie is easiest. 331dot (talk) 21:59, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
     Courtesy link: Richard Fletcher (conductor) - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:47, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Rfprizm, I recommend reviewing our guideline on editing with a conflict of interest - WP:COI. There are disclosures you should make, and you should use the talk page to make edit requests rather than editing the article directly. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:57, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Hmm, I just noticed that the article was created by User:Richard fletcher (through AfC, back in 2015). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:42, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    IP editor: Autobiography (if that's what it was) is highly discouraged but not forbidden if done through WP:AfC. However, once such an article is accepted, further edits by its subject are usually done via {{edit request}} on the Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:42, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    WP:DISASTER

    If I define something disastrous or unsuccessful (for example a club's sporting season, an investment or a military campaign), am I violating the Neural POV policy even though when the source states why it can be definied as such? Wikipediæ philosophia (talk) 23:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    You (or I) should not in a Wikipedia article be defining anything as either of those, or as anything else. You should only be summarising what Reliable sources have said, in which case it is those sources who are using the terms, if indeed they are. Where appropriate, direct quotes might be used.
    "Disastrous" as colloquial hyperbole should never be used in Wikipedia (unless in a quote), and certainly not for anything as relatively trivial as a sporting season. "Unsuccesful" is less problematic, but it would be preferable to let the facts speak for themselves: if a team has come 23rd out of 24th in a league and been relegated, just say so – "unsuccessful" is redundant. In general, always avoid applying your own judgements: our opinions (as editors) do not matter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 00:47, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Content about Swaraj Shetty - Guruva of Kantara

    Why is my content not getting approved even after providing with the needed citations and references ? Shivani Sudhir Suvarna (talk) 00:09, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Because it doesn't meet our standards. Read WP:NACTOR and Wikipedia:Reliable sources carefully. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:22, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    About the correct pronunciation of the word Fuerdai

    This is a word from Chinese. Because of the pronunciation rules of Chinese, it is necessary to emphasize its correct pronunciation. Unlike Tierra del Fuego, Fuerdai in Fu-er-dai is three syllables, while Fue-go is two syllables. ALSTROEMERIA🌸Čijukas Kuvajamas 03:15, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    @Fumikas Sagisavas: I don't understand what the problem is. Both the pinyin and the IPA transcription make the demarcation between the first and second syllables such that it's clear there isn't a diphthong. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:26, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    "Zuppa inglese", not "zuppa Inglese"

    Could someone correct the title of this page? In the Italian language, the word "inglese" when used as an adjective should be written with a lowercase initial letter; it's not like in English, where the word "English" is always written with a uppercase initial letter. Italian is the most beautiful language in the world, by far, but it's difficult to learn. Page: Zuppa Inglese. JackkBrown (talk) 03:31, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    @JackkBrown: The page isn't move protected and you're extended confirmed, so you can move it yourself. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Tenryuu: no, I have already tried; from a mobile device it cannot be done. JackkBrown (talk) 03:39, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @JackkBrown: The mobile version doesn't have as many features as the desktop version, which you can go to by tapping on View article in browser at the bottom of the page. Assuming you haven't messed with the skin's appearance, it's under a dropdown menu accessed by pressing in the top-right corner, and then pressing Move. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:07, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Tenryuu: I tried, but "The page could not be moved, for the following reason: The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name, or use Requested moves to ask for the page to be moved. Do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text." Could someone do it for me? I don't want to waste all this time on this. JackkBrown (talk) 12:58, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The page with the lower case inglese is a redirect to the page with capital Inglese. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @AzseicsoK: can this problem still be solved? JackkBrown (talk) 13:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I've moved the page over the redirect. Deor (talk) 13:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @JackkBrown:, next time, if you can't move a page and it is an uncontroversial request, you can use the process at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. TSventon (talk) 13:18, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The "i" may be lower case in Italian, but this Wikipedia is written in English, so we should adopt the usage of English language sources. DuncanHill (talk) 13:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @DuncanHill: the word in question is taken from the Italian language and must therefore remain unchanged. JackkBrown (talk) 13:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    English doesn't work that way. When English adopts a word it goes the whole hog, the word learns to behave like any other English word, and is treated just like its siblings, natural or adopted. DuncanHill (talk) 13:36, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @JackkBrown: Please see WP:COMMONNAME. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    I put up a page authorized by the artist and it was rejected

    So I would like to add an Iranian artist to the entertainment/ educational about the artist. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. ScreamingLeansheeArt (talk) 03:59, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Just about everything, ScreamingLeansheeArt. I shan't list them all; instead, I'll say that I've moved your improperly posted draft to User:ScreamingLeansheeArt/sandbox, which is where you can work on it. When you say that it's "authorized by the artist", I infer that it's made with the collaboration of the artist and therefore that you have a conflict of interest. Please read, digest, and observe what's written in Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. As for the content, you might start with "developing his own unique style". Which reliable source says that it's unique? -- Hoary (talk) 04:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello, ScreamingLeansheeArt. The main problem is that "authorized by the artist" is completely irrelevant, except that it indicates that you have a conflict of interest as Hoary says.
    Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. And if the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability (that is, there is enough material published about them), then an article can be written even if they object to it. ColinFine (talk) 10:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    ScreamingLeansheeArt, both you and this authorizing artist need to be aware of one thing. If you or this artist--or anybody else--succeeds in creating an article about this artist--even if the result is "authorized" by the artist, others can come afterwards and add things that the artist didn't "authorize." And if those things are relevant and well supported in reliable sources, there will be pretty much nothing s/he can do about it. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:08, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Invisible revision history

    Hello, I have noticed that on a non-administrator's user page edits seem to be made every now and then without there being any recording of such in the revision history. I am simply wondering how this takes place as I assumed only administrators had access to Revision deletion, unless it is related to MediaWiki interface. (WP:SMI) As one can see I am confused by this situation which is why I am asking for guidance before jumping to any conclusions. Red Phoenician (talk) 05:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Without any specific example to look at, it sounds like you're describing WP:Suppression? Cabayi (talk) 10:07, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Red Phoenician This happens fairly often on pages like the Teahouse. For example my contribution here on May 7 was subsequently suppressed when an admin removed from the page a group of inappropriate edits and my valid edit became "collateral damage". There is now no diff to see, only a timestamp with a double-line through the entry. You can't imply from noticing such entries in an editor's history that they have done anything wrong. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Want to have my Company shown on Google results

    HI I HAVE NOTICED THAT WHEN YOU WRITE A COMPANIES NAME ON GOOGLE. ON THE DESKTOP BROWSER THE COMPANY DETAILS COME UP ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE, THIS I BELIEVE IS LINKED TO WIKIPEDIA AND THE DATA IS TAKEN FROM WIKIPEDIA PLEASE ASSIST ME TO UNDERSTAND HOW CAN I ALSO HAVE MY BRAND SHOW UP IN RESULTS ON THE RIGHT SIDE Sancha Tea, India (talk) 06:02, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    @Sancha Tea, India: Wikipedia has nothing to do with how Google displays its search results. You would have to contact Google. Furthermore, it is prohibited to use Wikipedia for publicity purposes. See WP:CORP for inclusion criteria, and WP:Golden Rule for criteria regarding sources. I am skeptical that your company meets the inclusion criteria and that any reporting about your company meets the Golden Rule critera. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:10, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) Hi Sancha Tea, India. First, please don't type in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS because such a thing sometimes can be mistaken for anger or online shouting. The users who typically answer questions here at the Help Desk are more than capable of understanding posts not written in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. Next, there's not much that Wikipeida can do when it comes to Google search results and hjow they're displayed. Wikipedia has no control over how Google operates. Maybe try looking at this Search Engine Optimization (SEO) Starter Guide published by Google because it might explain exactly what Google is looking for, how search results are displayed and how you can get it to do what you want it to do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    In addition to what Marchjuly said above, I'd also add that Google gets it very wrong on a number of occasions. Just hang around on this page for a while and someone will come along pointing out a mistake, thinking that it's Wikipedia's fault, all we can do is point them towards Google. I suppose what I'm saying is be careful what you wish for, because you might just get an information box that's on view to the world and contains inaccurate info about your company. - X201 (talk) 08:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Accidentaly opening a sockpuppet investigation

    I'm sorry but I accidently opened a wrong sockpuppet investigation on an article instead of an IP address that is believed to be a block evasion user. [3]. How can I request it to be closed now? 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 06:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Deleted, G7. Cabayi (talk) 10:02, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    When will my page be live?

    I created a page for James G. Gibson back in April - when will it be live? Thanks! BPRJG (talk) 07:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    To quote the top line of the Draft review request template at the top of that draft: Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 4,774 pending submissions waiting for review.. We're all volunteers, people review articles when they feel like it. - X201 (talk) 07:57, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I've cut short your wait, BPRJG, and declined this. Start by removing anything copied from the PR Newswire piece (and do so fast, before the draft is deleted as a copyright violation). Continue by removing any citation of this piece. Cut anything for which you can't cite reliable sources. -- Hoary (talk) 08:17, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    You didn't take up my invitation to improve this quickly, and I therefore deleted it. -- Hoary (talk) 11:24, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Is it possible to query for literal "%" [percent] sign in advanced page search

    I was trying to do find previous discussions of prevalence figures in talk archives of ADHD. To this end, I thought it would be useful to search for the presence of the two search terms "prevalence" and the literal percent character "%": example query. However, when I enter these terms into advanced search, the percent character seems to be ignored. Is there a workaround? To show that % doesn't seem to have any effect at all, check this search for presence of "prevalence" and absence of word "%". The results still show articles with "%" present: example query AncientWalrus (talk) 08:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Not something I know much about. But SQL databases treat the % character as a wildcard, matching any string of characters. Maybe you could try putting quotation marks around it? Maproom (talk) 10:11, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @AncientWalrus I thought that an insource search would help but it doesn't. So this search readily finds this very thread as its first hit but this one gets no hits at all. That's pretty good evidence that the % character isn't behaving as a wildcard and is just being ignored, for no reason I can explain. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:36, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The Wiki search engine ignores % along with a load of other special characters !@#$%^&()_+-=~`{}[]|\:;'<>,.?/ It treats them as spaces, and then for good measure ignores spaces if there's more than one. - X201 (talk) 10:38, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, and I now see that the insource link I provided tells you how to construct a search that will find these characters. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    So this search does what @AncientWalrus wants. It gets lots of hits with URL! Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Tags

    Good morning I tried to submit my draft for review, but I can't fill the gap about tags, " choose tag" etc. the last one gap. Can you help me? J.D.K. (talk) 08:54, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    J.D.K., your edits here (your 9th & 10th) get you to autoconfirmed status. Does that resolve your problem? Cabayi (talk) 10:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @J.D.K.: I guess you mean "WikiProject classification tags" after clicking "Submit your draft for review!" at User:J.D.K./sandbox. You can select poland, biography and literature. Start writing them one at a time and click them above the field to select them. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:02, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    When I search for "GE Plastics" I get the Saudi Chemical Industry. 24.190.249.16 (talk) 14:27, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    GE Plastics correctly redirects to SABIC (Saudi Arabia's Basic Industries Corporation). SABIC#Operations says: "On May 21, 2007, SABIC acquired General Electric's Plastics division, in a US$11.6 billion cash deal, including US$8.7 billion of its liabilities,[1] and launched SABIC Innovative Plastics.[2]". If you want to find other articles mentioning "GE Plastics" then select "Search within pages" below the search box in the mobile version. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:49, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    References

    1. ^ The New York Times 22 May 2007
    2. ^ SABIC.com
    [Edit Conflict] :In the General Electric article is the statement "On May 21, 2007, GE announced it would sell its GE Plastics division to petrochemicals manufacturer SABIC for net proceeds of $11.6 billion. The transaction took place on August 31, 2007, and the company name changed to SABIC Innovative Plastics, with Brian Gladden as CEO.[169]" There are several other mentions of this in the article, it is also mentioned in the SABIC article – search it for "Innovative Plastics" or just "Plastics".
    The GE Plastics article created in 2004 was always very short, and was redirected to General Electric before being re-redirected to SABIC.
    It might be interesting to have an article on the original GE Plastics Division and its precursors, but researching and writing one would be a considerable effort. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 14:55, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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