Talk:Osama bin Laden

Judo experience

According to these articles http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8500136/I-taught-judo-to-Osama-bin-Laden.html and http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/324466/Osama-bin-Laden-was-a-black-belt-Judoka/ Osama is a Judo black belt. I would like to add this to his biography and an accompanying black color box for his rank.

RfC: The Long Standing FBI 10 Most Wanted Infobox Should Be Used for Osama bin Laden

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion is to remove the infobox because it gives undue weight to one aspect of the subject's life, and because the material can be included in the body of the article. Jehochman ^Talk 15:55, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

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The long standing FBI Ten Most Wanted infobox has twice been deleted from the article. Stripping this removes important information as the main infobox has no information on his crimes. Vote to Keep or Delete. The box in question is below. Legacypac (talk) 00:54, 10 January 2015 (UTC) Latest removal.

Osama Bin Laden
FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitive
Charges	Murder of U.S. Nationals Outside the United States Conspiracy to Murder U.S. Nationals Outside the United States Attack on a Federal Facility Resulting in Death
Reward	$25 million
Alias	Osama Bin Muhammad Bin Ladin Shaykh Osama Bin Ladin the Prince the Emir Abu Abdallah Mujahid Shaykh Hajj the Director
Description
Born	(1957-03-10)March 10, 1957 Saudi Arabia
Died	May 2, 2011(2011-05-02) (aged 54) Abbottabad, Pakistan
Cause of death	Ballistic trauma
Gender	Male
Height	6 ft 4 in (193 cm) to 6 ft 6 in
Weight	Approximately 160 lb
Occupation	Unknown
Status
Added	June 7, 1999
Number	456
Killed during capture attempt

Votes

• Keep Why in the world would we remove this summary of information from the article? bin Laden was the top target for US law enforcement and military for many years. Legacypac (talk) 00:57, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
• Keep There's no reason it should be removed completely, but I agree with the removal diff's summary reasoning in that the infobox does contain lots of redundant information. This should be fixed by removing some of the information but not the box completely. Weedwacker (talk) 02:15, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

• Changing my vote to Delete and work important information that's not redundant already into the article per Knight of Truth's comment. Weedwacker (talk) 18:48, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

• Delete If we were playing Top Trumps I would say keep. If it is important information, it can be accommodated within main body of the article. Stacie Croquet (talk) 15:59, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
• Keep It's an important piece of information in it's own right, and it summarises stuff in a way different from the rest of the article BoonDock (talk) 16:28, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
• Comment I do not think this information should be removed. It should stay in the article but maybe in a different way since the man is dead. The FBI's most wanted fugitives no longer has him on the list so it would seem unnecessary to present it in this way. Please let me know what you think, based on policy. I could go either way. Keep or delete. Mbcap (talk) 19:36, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
• Delete. Just because Osama was on the FBI list does not mean the application of the infobox is required; that is a decision that should be made per article. I feel like the infobox puts too much focus on the aspect of "fugitive criminal." Osama bin Laden was probably notable even before he went into terrorism, and has at times been more of a military enemy (certainly, treated as such) than an ordinary criminal. The Most Wanted infobox thus does not provide WP:DUE weight; the infobox would be more appropriate on an article about a person who was primarily known because of their criminal fugitive status. Knight of Truth (talk) 22:49, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
• Delete per Knight of Truth above. To represent bin Laden as merely a 'wanted criminal' underplays his significance. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:07, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
• Delete per Knight of truth. Also, two info-boxes in the same article is not necessary. That information in the criminal info-box is already present in the article. StanMan87 (talk) 00:08, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

The other infobox lacks anything suggesting he was a wanted criminal. Please look again. Legacypac (talk) 16:36, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Legacypac are you referring to my comment? If so, I know that the information is not present in the current info-box. I highlighted that all the facts illustrated in the Most Wanted info-box were found in the article. The fact that he was wanted by the U.S government does not mean he was primarily known for his status as a U.S fugitive, nor should it. StanMan87 (talk) 22:07, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

He came to fame party by becoming the #1 terrorist on the US most wanted list. Don't get your logic. Legacypac (talk) 22:10, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

He came to fame by leading the network known as Al-Qaeda which carried out terrorist attacks all over the world. The current info-box is much more balanced, (and factual) and that is precisely why you do not get my logic, on either this issue or the current dilemma regarding the Islamic State talk page becuase you hold a very one-sided view. StanMan87 (talk) 22:58, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

• Delete I am willing to vote for it's deletion as an info-box as long as all of the information is instead presented into the article itself. Fraulein451 (talk) 17:20, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
• Delete per Knight of Truth. This one doesn't seem to add anything not immediately apparent from the lead or the Infobox person already alongside. I'm a firm believer in the utility of infoboxes, but I'm not sure this additional one adds any real value. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 14:11, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
• Delete Whether or not someone is "wanted" or not by X nation/province/city's police force is irrelevant to their notability if there are other factors present. BlueSalix (talk) 06:32, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
• Delete The primary infobox contains almost all relevant information for him. Perhaps add a line "Known for: Organizing 9/11 attacks" or equivalent into the main infobox. But most of that information is irrelevant. Dmrwikiprof (talk) 19:21, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
• Delete Can be accommodated within main body of article. The infobox is outdated and does not reflect the significance of OBL. Mbcap (talk) 23:27, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
• Keep. Summoned here by RfC bot. OBL committed a crime on US soil, was placed on the 10 most wanted list and is now deceased. I see no reason to treat him differently than any other criminal placed on that list. Coretheapple (talk) 23:33, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

As a pedantic, this comment reiterates my issue with infoboxes...I really do not want to make light of the horrendous misery OBL inflicted in the US...but did OBL actually commit a crime on US soil? Currently the only reference to soil in the article is a dead link. I trust that I will find my answer somewhere in Wikipedia...if not I will probably (try) to add it myself...I wont bother with the infoboxes...Google does "Quick Reference" better; Wikipedia does "in depth" better. Everytime an argument over an infobox disrupts proper editing it should be deleted. Stacie Croquet (talk) 00:00, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

• Keep. I know it looks like I'm in the minority here, but OBL was the most prominent man on the FBI's most wanted list for many years, so the information remains relevant. Macrowriter (talk) 16:38, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
• Delete Just not that necessary. The information in the box can be included inside the body of the article. ALSO - I think Knight of Truth makes a good point. Elmmapleoakpine (talk) 01:07, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Recently news

According to [1] In November 1996, Palestinian journalist Abdel Bari Atwan visited Osama bin Laden in his hideout in Tora Bora region of Afghanistan. He took some photographs which turned up in the house of Khaled al-Fawwaz, one of bin Laden’s henchmen, and were used as evidence at his trial last month in New York. should we put the mention of this visit in the article seeing that only a handful of journalists have met him therefore this visit is notable. perhaps a picture could be included as well, they are public domain now. FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 19:48, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2015

http://www.viralworld.net/39-photos-from-the-past-you-wont-find-in-your-history-books-example-1-osama-bin-laden-on-vacation/19/

OSAMA BIN LADEN ON VACATION (1970’S)

Osama Bin Laden vacationing in Sweden (green shirt, in the front row). He looks rather fun here, what the heck happened? Oh well, you gone.

• File:Http://3uqfoj8rqn912yhyb3z5mgju.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/old-photos-43.jpg

I just thought you might want to add this picture to this Wiki page.  :)

My email address is tchristian2011@aol.com.

I hope you choose to use it.

Tim :)

2602:306:CFB3:B3D0:2DB4:AAD:7117:C0F4 (talk) 21:21, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

 Not done Image is copyright. -- haminoon (talk) 21:59, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2015

31.11.87.83 (talk) 22:12, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Bija peder

 Not done No request actually made. Please make your request in a change X to Y format. Amortias (T)(C) 22:23, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Do you think he was a dog lover or a cat lover?

I need to know for a project involving which pets are linked to people with violence