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Re: User:Globalecon/Tips

Good job on writing this! Sadly, it seems that neither student nor professor is taking any notice of what anyone on Wikipedia is telling them. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 08:31, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Yup, kudos. I'm mystified by the classes and professors lack of interaction too. --Bfigura ^(talk) 16:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey

Oi, you haven't put your email into your preferences!

Only reason I noticed is that I usually ask this privately, but anyway...fancy a shot at RFA? I would be happy to nominate you. Best, Moreschi (talk) (debate) 22:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

• Oi, Moreschi, I've sent you an email so you'll have my address if you ever need it. Thanks for the offer and your confidence. But... admin-ing would take too much time away from what I really enjoy – writing articles, rescuing worthy kittens from being drowned at AfDs, and helping out on the Opera Project. The latter can provide quite enough wiki-drama as it is. ;-). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks from Longy

Your reputation in Longy's 2008 Future of Classical Music class preceded you even before you made your debut yesterday. I appreciated your welcoming the new contributing students and pointing them in the right directions!Ijmusic (talk) 20:26, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks also from this Longy student. It was really exciting to see your improvements on the page I created (MLT) and witness the Wikipedia process in action! I'm now starting on my summer project which is editing the Dalcroze page. Incidentally, I recently read a fascinating article in JAMS (2002, vol.55, no.3) about Monteverdi and language for musical theater. The author, Mauro Calcagno, approaches the subject through linguistics. Seeing your interest in opera and linguistics, I wonder if you have ever come across this article.J. Schaeffer (talk) 03:01, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Assistance reviewing Italian source?

Hi. :) There is an article listed at the copyright problems board with which I am in need of assistance I'm hoping you can supply. Pauly & C. - Compagnia Venezia Murano has been tagged under suspicion of being a direct translation of the history section of this website. (See its listing here.) Direct translations are, of course, derivative works and unusable on Wikipedia. I can see enough similarities to suspect that concerns may be justified, but since I don't read Italian I can't really say how close a translation this is. If you have opportunity to weigh in on this, I'd be ever so grateful. :) If not, please let me know so I can track down another active contributor who is proficient in Italian. I also try to keep conversations in one location, so I'll be watching your talk page. Thanks for any assistance you may be able to offer, even if it's just letting me know that you don't have time atm to offer assistance. :D --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:31, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, actually I didn't need to do too much examination, since I found the English version of the site.;-) The History section is here and the bit about the mosiacs (Abraham Lincoln etc.) is here. And yes, it's a pretty close copy. If these links don't work, go the home page and at the very bottom under Language selection click on International. By the way, this is a very famous glass company in Italy and internationally. See, for example [1]. Certainly deserving of an article, although obviously not a copy vio one. Note that article's creator is User:Habanerosrl. Habanero Srl. are the Public Relations company for Pauly & C.. Hope this helps. Voceditenore (talk) 17:02, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Genius! :D Thank you very much. Very helpful. I'll check the closeness of copying and address the issue with the creator. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:06, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

It was a delight...

...to read this brilliant piece. And I wasn't even looking for it; I came here to thank you for backing me up on the GA issue on Egardus, since that's something that's been bugging me for a while and had to get off my chest. But your essay was spot-on. Oops, there I go again, pretending to be an adult! Need to get a bouncier, animated signature ... Antandrus (talk) 23:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll make you one if you promise to give me three barnstars. ;-) Seriously, though thanks for the kind review. I wrote that when WP was in the midst of an invasion by a particularly... er... time-consuming... bunch of 13 year olds. At one point there was even a WikiProject (now deleted) that was awarding them barnstars for every 1000 edits, every 50 AfD's "voted on", every 5 (hapless) editors they adopted, etc., etc.. For a while, I and a couple of other editors spent all our time running around cleaning up after them, until they lost interest and/or got blocked. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Peter Fraize

I suspect that the work you did on the Peter Fraize article will wind up saving it from my AfD. Excellent work; you should be proud! —  X  S  G  15:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words. I see it has now been closed as keep. If at all possible I try to rescue articles about musicians (especially classical ones) from AfD. Having said that, I've argued for deletion in quite a few where they simply aren't "rescue-able", e.g. [2], [3], [4]. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 07:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Pagliacci (1982 film)

Many thanks for expanding this article! Lugnuts (talk) 08:22, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome! ;-). If you encounter any more opera film articles, I'll be happy to help. Just give a shout here or banner the talk page with {{WikiProject Opera}}, so they don't fall under our radar. Leave the class parameter blank. That will make them easier to find them via checking Category:Unassessed Opera articles. I normally check AlexNewArtBot/OperaSearchResult daily. But I'm going to be away for all of August with extremely limited (and sloooow) internet access. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Karl Formes

Thanks for your kindly messages and action over the Formes article. A pity we can't use the picture linked in my first footnote, which is a bit less stodgy-looking, but I suppose the copyright doesn't permit. I am honoured that this effort has rocketed direct to B class, quite a select little place to be. Not that I worry about such things but at least I am not just talking to myself! Thanks, anyway. Vocedibassisto, Eebahgum (talk) 08:47, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Welcome

Thank you for your kind welcome. You are nice. I am solo singer from Serbia, so i hope that i can contribute in Balkan-opera related articles. All best, if you need some help regarding those subjects, ask me! :) --Tadija^speaks 18:54, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Another Grove check?

Hi. :) Jan Nepomuk Maýr relies on two inaccessible sources, including Grove. Any chance you can check it for duplication at least against Grove? I'm still very slowly plugging away on the SingingDaisies CCI. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:17, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi, back.:) I had a look and this seems OK. Certainly no copying from Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians. Maýr has no article on its own and I checked the entries for "Smetana", "Prague" and "Czech Republic" too. This looks to me as if the main part (before it gets to the Smetana issues) is a summary based on the lengthy Czech WP article which pre-dates this one. Note there are no footnotes for that part. The part at the end about his relations with Smetana seems to be summarized from the WP article, which is referenced to Large (1970). There was a tendency in that editor's articles to occasionally list sources that weren't used to hide the ones that were. But I don't think this is the case here. Hope that helps. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, that does help. And, yes, I had wondered about that. Though I haven't tagged anything, there were a couple of articles that listed only the German source that included content that was not in the German source. :/ I suppose now that this is confirmed, I'll start tagging any issues that strike me like that as well. If I remember. :) Cycling through CCIs is pretty slow these days. It could be a month before I get back to him. :/ --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:02, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Much appreciation

Hi, Voceditenore. Thanks for the beautiful rewrite on John Andrew Rea. I would prefer not having to delete noteworthy articles, but the current backlog at copyright violations leaves me little time to revise much text. (Especially in Moonriddengirl's absence.) I just wanted you to know that I very much appreciate your contributions. Cheers. — CactusWriter | ^needles 06:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome ;-) and you were absolutely right to delete it. If you have time, could you do me a favour? I've re-written Juliette Pochin on Talk:Juliette Pochin/Temp. Would it possible to move it into article space. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:33, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Done. Another nice job -- and better still was your discussion with the original creator on the talk page. "...Teach a man to fish..." etc. You're a good teacher. Cheers. — CactusWriter | ^needles 16:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! In my university teaching days, I once had a student who plagiarsed my own book in her essay. But at least it took some effort, bless her. She typed it out from the hardcopy — must have taken ages. Re "teaching how to fish...", I'm not sure how many new fishermen it produces for Wikipedia. In the Opera Project we get a lot of articles for singers, opera companies, etc. created by their agents and PR people, and sometimes themselves. In my experience, the best I can hope for is that they'll edit their article according to the guidelines in future. I have yet to find one who has ever contributed anything else to Wikipedia. Their only interest in the project is as a PR tool. Having said that, at least it results (after much red-pencilling from other editors) in one new article on a notable subject that we didn't have before. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for teaching me also, about every singer to opera and avoiding answers.com! I keep supplying singers to the project who never sing opera, last Dorothee Mields. When I found a Bach singer who also sang opera I nominated that fact for DYK, Franz Kelch, to be 95 this year, no PR involved. Unfortunately the only source for him I found in English reads like a machine translation. Any help in that case? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

My god, plagiarizing the prof's own book -- that's sadly funny -- the very definition of clueless. I would suggest she switch majors. I know what you mean about bulk of submissions coming from PR types. (It's one of the reasons I refrain from offering copyright violators much opportunity to license the source website -- the promotional text couldn't be used anyway.) But, occasionally, unexpectedly, when the stars align just so... you'll come across a true angler among the crowd of daytrippers. When is that next blue moon anyway? — CactusWriter | ^needles 19:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Ellen Faull

Hi. :) Just wanted to let you know that I'm poking at this CCI. I'm not sure how extensive it is, but I found at least some text copied verbatim in Ellen Faull and have blanked with presumption on the rest. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:43, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Replied here. Voceditenore (talk) 16:09, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! You rock. :) And the CCI goes back into cold storage as I cycle through some others. :/ --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 18:24, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Oops! Not the first time I've forgotten to delete one of those, I'm afraid. When I start shuffling pages around, I sometimes lose my place. Fortunately, they get bot relisted at WP:CP on the very, very, very rare occasion that somebody doesn't catch it immediately. :D Thanks for the heads up! I've deleted. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 00:17, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

New Newbies

Back again: a new crop of Futurists, these from Berklee College in Boston, position themselves for a launch! If you had the time and energy, we'd be most grateful for any help you could offer. I will link them to your excellent instructions and suggestions from Longy last fall; but there's always more to know.Ijmusic (talk) 18:25, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much! The Berklee students and I greatly appreciate your helping us become Wikipedians. I will fix the affiliations of both the user pages as you suggested. Ijmusic (talk) 18:17, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Arggh! Or should I just *sigh*. One works: <user:Ijmusic/Futureclass>! Unfortunately, I created the new page for <user:Ijmusic/Vision of music's future> before I should have; we both know what happened then. You were more than kind to offer to do the honors--I wanted to be able to do it myself.

Having devised a quick 'n' dirty, I'd prefer not to retain the inelegant <user:Ijmusic/Vision of music's future-Berklee>, but I will you advise me to. With thanks, dear VdT, Ijmusic (talk) 22:37, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Tauberlieder?

Following an old enthusiasm, I was wondering if you knew where to find a list of the Lehár Tauberlieder. Best, Ijmusic (talk) 03:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Michel Bellavance

I'm currently in the middle of an intense graduate course and don't have time to do much on here right now. I thought you might be willing to rescue this article from deletion: Michel Bellavance. If you are busy too I understand.4meter4 (talk) 04:04, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I read this and added some refs but raised a question on his discussion page, in case you find some time. "He" is rescued for the moment, but the article needs work, and I'm also busy at the moment with things more important to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Apology

My sincere regrets for my unwarranted gender assumption; I should have learned by now that usernames are often equivocal. Anyway, as a form of penance, when Tosca is done and dusted I intend to complete the Monteverdi trilogy, by expanding L'Orfeo. Although this is probably Monteverdi's best-known opera, it is actually the one I'm least familiar with, so I have a lot of reading and listening to do. Watch out for it later in the year. Brianboulton (talk) 14:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

La Tosca peer review

It clearly makes no sense to keep this open in view of your forthcoming absence. If you wish I will close it now, or you can. Enjoy your trip - hope it's to somewhere good. Brianboulton (talk) 22:34, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Brian. I'd appreciate it if you would do it for me. I'm not familiar with the PR process at all, and I've been busy tying up loose ends at the Opera Project before my departure to the US tomorrow. Unfortunately, the first part of my travels is due to my mother's serious medical problems, but then we'll be at our summer house in Italy, followed by California for our son's wedding. So yes, they're mostly to places nice. Many congratulations on the Tosca FA! I've now added to the "Selected article" rotation at Portal:Opera and updated the Featured articles lists there and at the OP. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:16, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

I will do the closure. Thanks for all your suggestions and help with Tosca. I am taking a short break from opera before plunging into the L'Orfeo project which has been in the pipeline for some time. Brianboulton (talk) 11:34, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

If the PR remains open, I'll take a close look at it, as I've actually read the play, which few here can say. I have no immediate opera plans either, though I am not ripping up my Puccini books either.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but Brian's closed it, and I hope it will remain so until I get back in September and can participate properly. When it re-opens, it would be great if you could review it. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:14, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Are you up for re-opening this peer review?4meter4 (talk) 09:30, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Not yet. I'm off to the US again soon and quite busy until I leave. Voceditenore (talk) 17:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Il prigionier superbo

Sorry for interfering with your editing of this article, I was unaware that you were still working on it. Hope I did not cause any editing conflicts on your side. The New Grove Dictionary of Opera, vol.3, page 1096, also gives the premiere date as 5 September 1733 (the article is credited to Dale E. Monson, same author as your source). However, the title in this Dictionary is Il prigioniero superbo. I don't speak Italian so I don't understand why that is.--Francesco Malipiero (talk) 19:06, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi there. No there were no edit conflicts and thanks so much for doing the roles table so quickly. I hate doing them.

In Italian, especially poetic or literary Italian, words ending in "l" "m", "n" or "r" (liquid consonants) + a vowel often drop the vowel. I'm going with "prigionier" as it's the one used in the Italian sources, including the Fondazione Pergolesi-Spontini. But I've made a redirect from Il prigioniero superbo. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 21:18, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

La Petite Bande again

Did you know ... that soprano Gerlinde Sämann performed with La Petite Bande Bach's cantata for the 14th Sunday after Trinity, Wer Dank opfert, der preiset mich, BWV 17? - today, thank you for the band, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

and again, smile, ... that mezzo-soprano Petra Noskaiová recorded alto parts with La Petite Bande in Bach cantatas such as Weinen, Klagen, Sorgen, Zagen, BWV 12? We sang the cantata movement today, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Re McBarge DYK

Thanks for taking the time to clean up McBarge. Cheers, -M.Nelson (talk) 16:22, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 00:42, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Humility

Thank you. History2007 (talk) 18:48, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! I made Andrew Ladis today, so your readers won't say "Who he?" ;-) Will add more to it tomorrow. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 00:45, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that. Great. In fact he was more of a "big shot" than I had expected! History2007 (talk) 00:54, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Fabio Campana

Thanks for coming to the rescue.4meter4 (talk) 22:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Very nice work! I hope you put this in for a DYK. Funny how deletion noms often prompt article improvement. :-)4meter4 (talk) 10:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm rather chuffed that the article is now at least 10 times longer than the one in Grove.;-) I did put it into DYK too. I had to move the advert image back to where it was in the first place. A lot of readers have wide monitors, including me and left-aligned images can seriously interfere with block quote formatting if they aren't completely above it (or below). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:12, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

On your note

Thank you for it, which I responded to there. --Thomasmeeks (talk) 21:45, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: DYK nom for Robert Twycross

Hey, thanks for the note. I provided comments there. Overall, I thought the original would be good with some rewording.--NortyNort (Holla) 08:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Assistance Please

Hello Voceditenore. Would you please check my user talk page? Some time ago you were assisting me in the creation of a new page, ".Gabriel". As you requested, I posted my request on that page but haven't heard from you. I understand you are very busy but would really appreciate your help. Thank you!TF537 (talk) 21:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Children and Young Adult's literature Newsletter - October 2010

Wikipedia:WikiProject Children's literature/Unreferenced BLPs

Irving Society... again

Please see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 October 1.4meter4 (talk) 00:02, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah! I had taken that advertisement for Cmagha's fraternity off my watchlist months ago. I see he has an even bigger section devoted to the claim that the current frat house is a "literary society" So be it. As I said to him when I gave up trying to help him improve the draft, to any reader who actually knows anything about Cornell and that fraternity, it makes the frat look both silly and disingenuous. I'd just let it be and let the article speak for itself. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:15, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Melliangee Pérez

sorry, i see now that there are references for the article; updated maintenance template to reflect that. cheers WookieInHeat (talk) 16:29, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. You were absolutely right to give that editor a level 3 warning. She did remove the {{unreferenced}} the first time you placed it there and gave no edit summary. (I removed it the second time with an edit summary, since it did have a couple "references" albeit very weak ones.) As you can see, she's had plenty of warnings already. It's pretty obvious this is, at best, a case of WP:COI,[5] and probably also WP:AUTO[6]. If she doesn't cut it out, she's going to end up blocked. I see this all the time with opera singers and/or their agents deciding that Wikipedia would be a great place to advertise themselves for free. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:38, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

thanks for the info. WookieInHeat (talk) 18:50, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

i see you added a bunch of info to the article, feel free to remove the template if you think its appropriate, makes no difference to me. WookieInHeat (talk) 03:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

User:Helgikroha

Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise whenever you can. Point out to them how the nominal winner is often a real loser -- in fees, expenses, and waste of time. As a peacemaker the lawyer has a superior opportunity of being a good man. There will still be business enough. (Abraham Lincoln) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Helgikroha (talk • contribs) 13:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Dear, Sir! Be so kind to tell me where did you get the idea of Abraham Lincoln on your personal page? Tell me please the exact link where it is located? Yours sincerely,User:Helgikroha —Preceding undated comment added 13:54, 3 October 2010 (UTC).

Hello Helgikroha, The quote can be found in many places on the internet,[7] but here's a book with the quote: [8] Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 16:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC) (PS. I am a Madam not a Sir. :-)

Tigran Mansurian

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Joseph J. Spengler

Hello again, V. Amazing that you were able to get the above back up so fast. May I ask if you would know of any place where I could recover the "extract" links for the Publications of JJS, which were in the earlier article and which you used in your Temp article for the above? (They took a while to compile and I wanted to restore them.) Thank you. --Thomasmeeks (talk) 12:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I didn't get it up. An administrator moved it and deleted the original after the normal 7 day notice expired. You can find the extract stuff in this version, although, unfortunately, you'll need to reformat it a bit to the way you prefer. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:06, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah, good. Just what I was hoping for. Thank you again, V. --Thomasmeeks (talk) 14:06, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Fabio Campana

The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

What Men Know that Women (and feminized men) Don't

What entitles a feminized nebbish like you to delete a book that you haven't even read? Where's your book? Writer that you are. Wouldn't you like to learn something about men before it's all over for you. Tens of thousands of other men and women over the past 17 years have gotten something from my book about men. I hate opera. Which means I would never authorize myself to delete opera. Where's your review in the Irish Times or somewhere online. I'd like to be sure that the people who have the arrogance to give me the thumbs down have actually made some contribution to life besides just consuming and commenting on other people's work. We learned that Freshman year at the University of Chicago. This is the second time you're doing this to me so I want to know who you are. Liking opera is the exact opposite of what is required to delete a book about men. Who are you?