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Uneven rules (or application thereof)

I found it interesting, given your statements as to transparency, that since then a sysop who lifted a block early did so on the basis of private emails that followed public communications. When I asked him to make public the email content, redacting anything private or sensitive, he refused, saying there was no requirement that he do so, and he was not so inclined, and if I disagreed I could bring him up to a noticeboard. I found that not only oddly rude, but also way different than the approach you suggest is necessary for transparency. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

That would be something that needs to be discussed with the other admin, not me, I'm afraid.  Sandstein  05:38, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Tx -- so there is no overarching guideline that binds all sysops to act in a consistent manner in this regard?--Epeefleche (talk) 05:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Not to my knowledge.  Sandstein  05:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Ahah. Since sysops on either side of the issue tend to speak of their position as rooted in wikiguidance, I had assumed otherwise. Got it -- whatever the individual sysop prefers. At least I have a better understanding. Tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

AA2

Hi!
As an admin, you're sometimes active on AA2 enforcement cases; in this regard, I think you should be aware of this.
Personnaly, as an admin on WP:fr, I think it's very interesting.
Regards,
Sardur (talk) 23:44, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello. I don't think it's relevant to this project unless there has been coordinated editing on en.wp. In that case, a request for arbitration or arbitration enforcement should be made on en.wp.  Sandstein  08:49, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

User page Tarun Marwaha/Mehr Lal Soni Zia Fatehabadi

Sir,I have sought deletion review of my captioned article on 26.05.2010.==Deletion review for Page name Mehr Lal Soni Zia Fatehabadi== An editor has asked for a deletion review of Page name Mehr Lal Soni Zia Fatehabadi. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Tarun marwaha (talk) 08:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

No, you haven't. I can't find any entry on WP:DRV concerning that subject.  Sandstein  08:50, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Your assertion on my talk page

Is incorrect.--Amadscientist (talk) 23:36, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Your recent sanctions

Here you said "Please add a statement to your AE comment in which you provide the diffs of any current edits by which Dr. Loosmark (in your view) calls you a racist, and also diffs for the edits by which Piotrus (according to you) engages in discussion about whether the subject of an article should be described as wholly or partly Polish. If you do not do so within an hour of your next edit, I intend to ban you from EE-related AE discussions to which you are not a party, and possibly apply further sanctions." You then said here "You have not provided the diffs to back up your allegations, as requested, within an hour of your next edit. This leads me to conclude that you are unwilling to comply with the community's expectation that allegations of serious misconduct may not be made except accompanied by clear proof in the form of diffs." Could you please be so kind as to provide me with a diff of the edit which you refer? As is shown by my user contribution history here, in the time between your two posts on my talkpage my only contribution to WP was on my own talkpage (here). In that post I state that I would not be online much in the next few days, would be able to post only via my iphone, that I would be happy to provide diffs with regard to Loosmark and clarify what I meant with regard to Piotrus. As it appears that you have sanctioned me in clear violation of your own requirements, I request that you lift the sanctions that you have imposed and strike out the relevant post on my talkpage. Should you so request, I will be happy to provide diffs in which Loosmark accuses me and other editors of being racists and diffs which prove that the discussion in which Piotrus was engaged was about whether the subject of an article should be described as wholly or partly Polish. I'm not going to request that you reply to this within one hour of your next edit, but I would appreciate a reply when you can find the time. Thank you in advance. Varsovian (talk) 07:41, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, after I asked you to provide the diffs within one hour of your next edit here, you made an edit to your talk page here and then did not provide the diffs I requested within one hour of that edit. I then sanctioned you for failing to provide the requested diffs in a timely manner (which, after more than a week, you have still not done). Consequently, your request to lift the sanction is denied.  Sandstein  08:05, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

It is an interesting position that a post on my own talkpage in which I explain that I will be able to provide you with the diffs you request (but not within the timeframe you request them) is in fact an edit. It is also a position which somewhat contradicts the statement which you made here in which you state that "He has indicated on his talk page that he is unable to edit until Thursday,". However, I am happy to provide the requested diffs with regard to Loosmark.

Here is one aimed directly at me “And it was by another anti-Polish editor who started to edit these topics recently.”

here is one (for which you gave him this warning) “The anti-Polish lobby … The reason of this complaint is clear, to punish every admin who dares to oppose their continues attacks on Polish editors.”

Here is another one “Dan please, it's well know that you like to provoke Polish editors (even as you assured everybody "you don't have anti-Polish feelings")”

Here “I only said that suggesting that those for whom English is not a first language refrain from voting can be vied as a bit racist.”

Here “As for for accusation of racism, I have not "accused" anybody, I have only said that requesting people for whom English isn't the first language to not vote here can be viewed as a bit racist.”

Here “I will repeat it for the third time: that comment can be viewed as a bit racist. So what are going to do now?”

I drew your attention to the last three of the above comments here

An uninvolved editor commented here “I find it hard to see how this edit is not describing another editor as "racist". Certainly it is describing another editor's actions as "racist".”

Would you like me to provide the ones with regard to the edits by which Piotrus (according to me) engages in a discussion about whether the subject of an article should be described as wholly or partly Polish? Varsovian (talk) 08:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Much as I dislike Varsovian and his behavior on wikipedia, I have never considered him a racist. If I would think that he (or whoever else) is a racist I'd immediately report him to ANI. His continuous claims that I have called him a racist are starting to get beyond boring. The first diff above is from October 2009 (!) and I wasn't even talking about Varsovian. It was about the time when user Kurfust referred to me as "an ugly troll who raised his head again". For the second diff I was already warned (but I did not say anybody is a racist). Third diff is from an argument I had with Dan when he made a comparison between Chopin seeing himself as a Pole and a person seeing himself as cocker spaniel. It looked pretty bad to me, however Dan later explained it was based on a movie or something and I accepted his explanation. But again 1) I did not say Dan is a racist and 2) nothing to do with Varsovian. The last 3 diffs he presented above are from beginning of March and again having absolutely nothing to do with Varsovian. Well other than he immediately tried to canvass the editor with whom I had a small argument to fill Wikiquette alert about me. [1]  Dr. Loosmark  09:22, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Any change made to a Wikipedia page is called an edit, whether to a talk page or an article. Varsovian, the reason why I asked you to provide the diffs within an hour of your next edit was to compel you to provide the diffs as soon as you are editing Wikipedia in any form (no matter whether by iPhone or by any other means), so as not to produce undue delays: as I said already on your talk pate, serious accusations of this sort must be accompanied at all times by diffs, or at least such diffs must be supplied as fast as possible.

In any event, you are both wrong. Varsovian, the statements by Loosmark cited by you do not support your contention that Loosmark "called you" a racist; accordingly, it is unacceptable to make such accusations against him, especially without diffs, which is why your sanction requiring you to provide diffs in all such cases is maintained. Please also do provide the diffs concerning Piotrus; my request that you do so remains outstanding since May 28.

And Loosmark, these same statements of yours ("can be viewed as a bit racist") can very readily be understood in the sense that Varsovian seems to have understood it, i.e., as accusing him of racism, which is also patently unacceptable. If you disagree with others, you can very well say so without taking recourse to such loaded words. In the Eastern Europe topic area particularly, editors must remain perfectly civil and collegial at all times. Be warned that I will sanction you without further warning if any other disruption of this sort is brought to my attention.  Sandstein  21:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)