User talk:Taulant23

Roman Fresco from Pompeji, House of the Dioscuri, showing the discovery of Achilles wearing the traditional Albanian hat and costume by Odysseus at the court of Lycomedes in Skyros(cf. [1])
File:Albanian Fest.jpg "Albanian fest" 1856, by Jean-Léon Gérôme.	/Archive 1

Hoxhaism

As a note, you removed the mention on Hoxha's page that he was notable enough for a branch of Marxism-Leninism to be named after him. However, both the Wikipedia page for Communism (as of this writing and for a few months now) plus many Maoists still debate with Hoxhaists (they use that word) and quite a few parties considered themselves Hoxhaists. (Most notably the Communist Party of Brazil and Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist) --Mrdie (talk) 21:22, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Maoists consider Hoxha to be a revisionist and denounces Hoxhaism as revisionist.I know it did exist a network of Communist parties that uphold the line of Enver Hoxha and the Albanian Party of Labour the but you need fact,sources to back a claim.This page might help [2] and maybe watch this video [3].Thank you Mrdie for your work!--Taulant23 (talk) 17:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Albania history section

I agree about the level and the mess.I propose review of all history section which I understand that is somehow mediocre, misinforming and poor in information. Albanian history is very rich I propose the following :

• archeological section to come first showing evidence of ciclopic ruins etc.

• we could define that Albanians originate from Illyrian of the south in fact thraco-illirian substrate and so it is Albanian language

• we could mention that for centuries Albanian were consider as ancestors of Epirotes and Macedonians in fact the Illyrians of the south

• in fact were alliances and war between south Illyrians tribes with different but spread culture up to this point the Greek colonies are nothing but a spread of Hellenic culture of the area

• adding roman time section

• adding Byzantine time section

• ottoman period section stating reasons why in 17century a part of Albanian Christians converted in Muslim

I would like to add the folloing references :

• Reference:Albanian is identified as the descendent of Illyrian, but Hamp (1994a) argues that the evidence is too meager and contradictory for us to know whether the term Illyrian even referred to a single language. Thracian has also been adduced as a possible ancestor of Albanian (Fine 1983, 10? 11). Hamp (1982; 1994b) argues that Albanian is descended from a language that was in intense contact with Latin, as was the language that produced Romanian (traditionally referred to as Dacian), but unlike the ancestor of Romanian, the ancestor of Albanian escaped Romanization. Source : Ammon, Ulrich(Editor). Sociolinguistics. Berlin, , DEU: Mouton de Gruyter (A Division of Walter de Gruyter & Co. KG Publishers), 2006. p 144.

• Reference“The fate of Albanian people and territories during Roman rule was that , they lived as free people but in social hierarchy they had a place between Romans civil right and slaves who had not right at all , the first mention with the name Albanoi or Arber was by Ptolemy of Alexandri 2nd c. A.D one of the free Illyrian tribes. The Illyrian military began to play important role in Roman life ,seven of Roman Emperors were Illyrians and they ruled in succession, the Illyrian Emperor Dioclean administrative reorganization Albanian territory in three provinces : Praevalitana, with Shkodra (Shkodër) as its administrative centre, Epirus Nova, Dyrrachium as its capital, and Epirus Vetus, with its central city at Nikopois. “ Source : Antonina Zhelyazkova Albanians identities .. International center for minority study and intercultural relations. Sofia .BULGARIA 1999 [ http://www.omda.bg/imir/studies/alban_id1.html]

• Reference: The history of modern Albanian identity, like that of other modern Balkan identities, begins during the end of the Ottoman Empire. At this time, the Ottoman system of classification was based on millet, which can be glossed religiously defined national community. Greek Orthodox Albanians were therefore classified as Greeks and Muslim Albanians as Turks. The Orthodox were subject to Hellenization, while the Muslims were denied linguistic rights granted to Christians. Thus, for example, in 1878 there were 80 Turkish schools, 163 Greek schools, and no Albanian schools in the sandjaks of Berat, Gjirokastër, and Vlorë (Jelavich 1983, 85). Ammon, Ulrich(Editor). Sociolinguistics.Berlin, , DEU: Mouton de Gruyter (A Division of Walter de Gruyter & Co. KG Publishers), 2006. p 144.

• Reference:Maps of ethnic Albania produced by émigré groups are generally

based on Ottoman administrative boundaries from the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, viz. the vilayets of Scutari, Kosova, Monastir and Ioanina. Source : Ammon, Ulrich(Editor). Sociolinguistics. Berlin, , DEU: Mouton de Gruyter (A Division of Walter de Gruyter & Co. KG Publishers), 2006. p 145.

• Reference: Albania Synonims (Shqipëria) Arbania/Arbanon, Epirus The Republic of Albania (Republika e Shqipërisë) since 1991. Previously the People's Socialist Republic of Albania (1976); the People's Republic of Albania (1946); the Kingdom of Albania (1928); and the Republic of Albania (1925). Although its independence was recognized in principle in 1912, it was made a protectorate of the Great Powers. Source :"Albania" Concise Dictionary of World Place-Names. John Everett-Heath. Oxford University Press 2005.

• Reference : It seems likely that Philip II instituted regular training in all branches of his Macedonian army, and when Alexander (2) the Great succeeded, he was able to put on an impressive display for the Illyrians Oxford Dictionary of the Classical World. Ed. John Roberts. Oxford University Press, 2007

• The Macedonian war under the Alexander the Great are describe in this reference under the main article Albania indicating his origin or the geographical place of Macedonia itself. Albania" A Dictionary of World History. Oxford University Press, 2000. Oxford Reference Online. Oxford University Press

• The current figures of religion in Albania express the country as multi religious Muslim 38.8%; Roman Catholic 16.7%; non religious 16.6%; Eastern Orthodox 16.1%"Albania" A Dictionary of World History. Oxford University Press, 2000. Oxford Reference Online. Oxford University Press. [4]

• The army of Alexander the great were Thracians , Illryrians and the hoplites of Corinthian Legue These units were far superior to any they encountered, and, supplemented by a large reserve of secondary troops (Thracians, Illyrians, and the hoplites of the Corinthian League), they gave Alexander an overwhelming military advantage.

"Alexander(2) " Oxford Dictionary of the Classical World. Ed. John Roberts. Oxford University Press, 2007. Oxford Reference Online. Oxford University Press. British Council Tirana. 2 January 2008 < http://www.oxfordreference.com/views/ENTRY.html?subview=Main&entry=t180.e95

• Albania, Christianity in. Christianity probably reached Albania early, but with the fall of the W. Empire in the 5th and 6th cents. its influence was largely destroyed. In the Dark Ages the Albanians were partly conquered by Slavs. In the 9th cent. some were incorporated into the Bulgarian kingdom, adhering to E. Orthodoxy, and in the 11th cent. they came under Serbian sway. At the time of the schism between the E. and W. Churches, some transferred their allegiance from Constantinople to Rome. After the Turks finally subjugated Albania in 1521, there was much apostasy. In 1913 Albania became independent and the Orthodox Church became autocephalous in 1922. Under Communist rule after 1945 all places of worship were closed, but the outward practice of religion was allowed again in 1991.How to cite this entry:

"Albania, Christianity in" The Concise Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church. Ed. E. A. Livingstone. Oxford University Press, 2006. Oxford Reference Online. Oxford University Press.

• Reference:It was an Albanian who led the Greeks in the War of Independence, and again an Albanian who commanded the Turkish troops sent to quell the rebellion Source: Albania. Catholic Encyclopedia Online [5] Written by Elisabeth Christitch. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume I. Published 1907. New York: Robert Appleton Company. Nihil Obstat, March 1, 1907. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.78.74.98 (talk) 18:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Norther epirus

I proposed for deletion Northern Epirus article. Please contribute herebalkanian (talk) 12:36, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, po nuk i di procedurat. Flasim.balkanian (talk) 13:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Please see this

Please see the edit war that is started in Igoumenitsa page. User:Zakronian has broken WP:3RR and violates WP:NCGN. Please do something. Also in Margariti, Parga, Parapotamos, etc. Please edit them back, couse i have reverted them twice and I don`t want to break the 3RR. balkanian (talk) 14:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

Please take part in the discussion in Talk:Igoumenitsabalkanian (talk) 13:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Albania

O Taulant nuk e kuptova mire ku ishte problemi i kesaj faqeje. Me thuaj cilat jane pikat qe ste pelqejne.balkanian (talk) 10:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

E rregullojme, po do merrem me vone me ate, se tani po merre me artikujt mbi camet, arrita ta ndryshoje ate budallallikun e komshijve per masakrat e papara dhe bashkepunimin nazist qe na can... ne wiki. ok?balkanian (talk) 18:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Himare

Please stop the nonsense over Himarra. Removal of sourced material without participating in an ongoing discussion can be easily construed as vandalism, and future instances will be reported to WP:AIV as such. There is a significant Greek community Himarra that merits mention in the intro, and you know that better than anyone, so stop pretending. Also, stuff about "beautiful beaches" belongs in tourist brochures, not an encyclopedia. You really should know better by now. --Tsourkpk (talk) 15:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

White Pride

I've reverted your attempt to equate Black pride, which is a cultural phenomenon, with White Pride, a racist, anti-Semitic group. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC) Are u OK,that's racist group too.--Taulant23 (talk) 02:21, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Ndryshime

Po bej disa ndryshime ne faqet per historine e Shqiperise. E kam nisur me Qeverin e Ismail Qemalit dhe me Deklaraten e Pavaresise. Kam ndermend te hap nje faqe te perbashket per historine e Shqiperise pas vitit 1912, dmth te shtetit shqiptar dhe te zhduk faqen [[History of Albania (1919-1939), pjese te se ciles do t`i perfshije ne faqet perkatese Principality of ALbania, Albanian Republic, Albanian Kingdom. Po e sheh te nevojshme, perfshihu edhe ti.Balkanian`s word (talk) 20:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Of course,I would my best,kinda busy lately though.--Taulant23 (talk) 02:26, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Afghanistan–Kosovo relations

Hi! A user has nominated Afghanistan–Kosovo relations for deletion. Please feel free to explain your opinions. Go and see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afghanistan–Kosovo relations. (Also there are 16 AfD nominations at the same page which includes Canada, Japan and several others). Thank you for your time! --Turkish Flame ^☎ 07:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

White pride image

Let's talk about it on the article talk page. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 01:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Iliria

Duhet rregulluar persa i perket Ilirise, ne Historine e Shqiperise, realisht eshte goxha e fryre dhe nacionaliste, duhet bere pak me NPOV.Balkanian`s word (talk) 11:22, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Let's keep it in English next time, please. --Tsourkpk (talk) 15:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I am quite tired of your unhelpful tribalistic reactions such as this [6]. Such behavior does not belong in Wikipedia. I'm trying to HELP here. Can't you see what a mess your country's history section is? Compare it with those of other countries, to see what I mean. You really should listen to your compatriot User:Balkanian`s word. He is a good contributor and you could learn a LOT from him, believe me. Now, if you think I should be banned from editing Albania, why don't you go to WP:ANI and do something about it, and see what reaction you will get? However, if you keep reinstating crap from unitedalbania.com or illyrians.com and call my edits vandalism one more time, it is I who will report you, and you probably won't like the result. Now wouldn't that suck? So please adopt a cooler and more helpful attitude and dispense with the edit-warring. --Tsourkpk (talk) 16:19, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Albanian wiki

Hi. I've created Category:Albanian articles needing translation with the aim of transferring some of the more notable Albanian articles into English. Please help create missing articles from Albanian wiki and help translate them into English. If you know any articles which require Albanian translation or who want to help create articles to be translated please use a {{Expand Albania}} tag at the top of the article. It is part of a drive to dramtically improve inter wiki content. Thankyou.

Mendimi yt

Te lutem merr pjese ketu. Kam propozuar ndyrhsimin e emrit te Kacanikut.Balkanian`s word (talk) 21:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Copyvio

That whole section I removed from Albania is a total ripoff from www.shqiperia.com, which you cut and pasted here. Not only is that not a reliable source, but it is a total copyright violation, and you know it. Now, are you going to behave or am I going to have to tell the teacher? --Athenean (talk) 05:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

This is not a violation because they(shqiperia.com) got this from us.I have been working on this article for too long.Even the picture of Bardhyl they stole it from me..Thank's.--Taulant23 (talk) 00:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Given your past history of copyright violations, I see little reason to believe you. And why did you undo the rest of my edits? You also had the nerve to call my edits vandalism, and to tag your revert as "minor, hoping i wouldn;t see it. In light of this kind of hostile attitude and your edit-warring behavior, I have no choice but refer this to the administrators. --Athenean (talk) 01:17, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, relax everybody, apparently no copyvio there. The passage in question grew within Wikipedia during 2007 or earlier. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:34, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Historia e Shqiperise

A ka mundesi te bejme ndonje gje per kete sepse si faqe po vandalizohet shume. Seksionin e Ilirise e mbaj une po per prehistorine e keto duhet bere dicka (edhe aty mund te ndihmoj me materiale) por duhet sajuar me mire si artikull, shihi pak keto[7] [8] [9] [10] qe mund te sherbejne si baze per fillim Aigest (talk) 07:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Iliria

Ju lutem na ndihmoni me shtimin e nje materiali qe mund te ndihmoje ne njohjen e shqiptareve si pasardhes te ilirive ketu:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Illyria#Illyria_and_Illyrians_origin

Faleminderit,

--Jurgenalbanian (talk) 14:21, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Illyrians

can you please partecipate here [11]. bests Aigest (talk) 09:51, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello

I've had it with you. Comments of this kind will not be tolerated [12]. I've reported you for incivility, as you have a history of it. --Athenean (talk) 05:52, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I should do the same to you too since I am getting tired of your verbal harassments and sabotage in Albanian related articles and of my work. --Taulant23 (talk) 20:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Taulant, I changed my old user name because I felt it gave away too much personal information. You might not be aware of this, but I'm telling you now. So using my old username on Talk:Illyrians#Sources is making me uncomfortable. I will therefore once again ask that you retract it. After what I've told you here, insisting on mentioning my old user name borders on WP:OUTING. And I don't appreciate being called "The Athenian Politician". You might find that funny, but I don't. --Athenean (talk) 20:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I will delete the Athenean Politician but next time when you write something in my talk page please write down a headline or something.Second you have no right to delete my words [13]. That’s messed up.--Taulant23 (talk) 21:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Taulant, I am politely asking you for the second time to remove my old username from Talk:Illyrians. I changed it for a good reason, and your adding it there is making me uncomfortable. Please also note that your comment is completely unnecessary and can be considered a form of personal attack. So I will once again ask that you retract it. I will not ask you a third time. --Athenean (talk) 21:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

A personal attack???? Are you kidding me?? You delete my sentence and I am attacking you?? --Taulant23 (talk) 21:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

"You haven't changed, just your username" can easily be construed to be a personal attack (implies that I'm as "bad" now as I was under my old user name). Do you want me to post on WQA and see what happens? --Athenean (talk) 21:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

• Sure no problem,I have done nothing wrong besides your act of vandalism [14].You act the same in every Albanian article,you never find a common languange with other Albanian users,just create more edit warring.Look your edits at Gjirokastra Saranda Himara Illyrians North Epirus,why you always sabotage the Albanian sources and our work.What is your goal in Wikipedia?--Taulant23 (talk) 21:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Come on Taulant, he is the reverter.Balkanian`s word (talk) 12:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

WQA weirdness

I hope that you intended to make this change, rather than this one, which affected a lot of threads that you're not involved in. I hope you don't mind me trying to tidy up, and I'm posting this notification to explain why I reverted most of your change - something which I normally would not have done. Regards, SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 21:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I just noticed that my "correction" was wrong, but an IP editor put your post into what is obviously the correct section. I can only apologise for the confusion. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 21:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

• :) No problem--Taulant23 (talk) 21:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

outing

If someone wants to move on from an old account we let them, unless they are disrupting things. Everyone here is tired of the endless petty Balkans disputes, and personal attacks are not welcome. kwami (talk) 22:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC) That's true man,it's pointless.Thank you.--Taulant23 (talk) 04:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Artikujt rreth Shqiptareve

Se pari faleminderit per mbeshtetjen tek iliret, po nuk mendoj qe duhet ta leme me kaq. Eshte turp qe artikujt per shqiperine jane ne nje forme te tmerrshme. Po ve re se me tere mend ky perdorues vepron keshtu me gjithe artikujt rreth shqiptareve. Nuk jam mesuar me procedurat ne wiki po si i behet qe te mos kete me te beje me me keto artikuj, pasi ne fund te fundit asnje gje te re nuk sjell vetem probleme dhe sherre. Te njejten gje do te doja ta kryeja si procedure dhe per dabin si admin. Fjalori i tij eshte i padurueshem per gjithe kontributoret shqiptare mesa shoh. Edhe editimet qe ai ben ne keto artikuj tregojne per nje paramendim, stili "kete e di une dhe pike". Ka plot admin te tjere (shpresoj:)) qe mund te kontribuojne me mire ne keto artikuj. Si ia behet? Aigest (talk) 07:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

MSN

Kur te mundesh me dergo msn-in tend, qe te flasim te tere atje per wikipedian--Sarandioti (talk) 22:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Account renaming

Accounts can be renamed by wiki Bureaucrats, there's a standard system for that at WP:RENAME. In the present case, the guy has asked you to please not dig around further about his former name, so please don't, there's no need to. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:36, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Non-English talk

Taulant23, please don't hold discussions with other Albanian editors in Albanian, especially if what you are doing is to coordinate controversial tag-team editing and to badmouth other users, as it seems you have been doing. For now, I ask you to please translate for the rest of us what you wrote at User talk:Aigest#Artikujt and User talk:Balkanian`s word#Mbledhje do ta organizojme tek faqja jote :). -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:20, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

As much as I do respect you, please don't ask me to translate when all after this years you can tell who has vandalized Albanian articles [15] and you don't do anything about it.--Taulant23 (talk) 19:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Dispute

What do you think about going to arbitration for the Illyrians article?

(Interestedinfairness (talk) 22:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)).

You mean the Greek Illyrians, because the map and the article sounds more of Greek nazi propaganda.ThumbS up!! --Taulant23 (talk) 19:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

blocked

I blocked you for dishonestly continuing your edit war (claiming you were "restoring" info when you were actually deleting it) on Illyrians when the article protection expired. A short block, despite your long block history. Take it to the talk page or dispute resolution. kwami (talk) 20:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I really don't care dude but honestly when did I get into edit war?

The change is right and not POV.The only Albanian link with Illyrians the Greek users put it as Albanian Nationalism.That's vandalism right there.I know it's not your fault,greeks cry to you every time.--Taulant23 (talk) 21:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, you're no longer blocked. But seriously, the stuff you don't like is nowhere close to vandalism. Take a look at WP:Vandalism. If you accuse others of vandalism merely because you disagree with them, it's going to be considered a personal attack and you're just going to get blocked again.

I see nothing wrong with the nationalism paragraph. It hardly singles out Albania; more time is spent on Croatia. Personally, I think a comment about a possible Albanian connection belongs in the lede, but this is something you need to bring up on the talk page. Craft a version that you like, and see what others think. The objections have not been (just?) from people with an anti-Albanian bias, but also good editors who have earned a lot of respect. I don't know much about the subject, but since everyone in the region is probably descended from the Illyrians to some extent, the only evidence of a "direct" connection would be linguistic, genetic, or perhaps cultural/religious. AFAIK none of those give clear answers; the linguistic connection that was once popular is no longer maintained by linguists, due to lack of data. Who knows; maybe the Albanians are Thracian rather than Illyrian, or descended from one of the "Illyrian" groups other than Illyrian proper. I have no idea, and it seems neither does anyone else.

But anyway, blanking paragraphs because you don't like them is not the way to go. kwami (talk) 23:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

• Thank you Kwami.By the way I know you are having trouble with File:Illyrianssss.jpg that has a wrong image description. The image is a silvered bronze belt-plate with scene of combat between warriors and horsemen, from Selcë e Poshtme, Albania 3rd century BC taken in the museum of Tirana.You can find it too at [16] The Illyrians page 236 by John Wilkes.--Taulant23 (talk) 23:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

File:Illyrianssss.jpg

Meeting

This.... " but when you keep still insulting me than I am mad. So plz since you are in California, let’s meet somewhere I am in LA" is very threatening and against all of wikipedia guidlines. Take a step back. (Off2riorob (talk) 22:10, 12 June 2009 (UTC))

Honest I am mad because he did not apologize but was insulting again. I guess he just did so I will take back my words. Thank you.--Taulant23 (talk) 22:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Cool, I am just in the middle, Try to let User_talk:Kwamikagami know your cool and that you take your words back ..or you want to move on ..too. (Off2riorob (talk) 22:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC))

Deltari Ilir

I belive that Deltari Ilir ose Qeni i Sharrit is in fact the historicaly celebrated Albanian Dog and would like to help in creating the article under the title Albanian Shepherd Dog. I am truly sad to see that the FCI did not acknowledge the dog's Albanian origin. Maybe the article I am proposing will help in that direction. Please answer on your talk page. Thanks. -- Imbris (talk) 02:44, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello Taulant23, did you consider the sources (Albanian Dog) for this article. Also it would be great if you as a native Albanian speaker could merge these sources and citations into the Deltari Ilir. Thanks for answering. Please answer here, at your talk page. :) -- Imbris (talk) 21:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I think we put the Albanian dog as been a part of Šarplaninac. [17] I might be wrong.--Taulant23 (talk) 20:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

This could only lead to massive edit-war with editors from Macedonia, Serbia, and also Yugonostalgic editors. I think that we have plenty of material for an article about the Albanian Shepherd Dog, then we can add a sentence or two to Qeni i Sharrit (Šarplaninac) and also to [[Molosser]].

I also belive that the info could become very interesting to the Albanian Cynological Association (info) for future reference and possible action.

Imbris (talk) 21:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

If you are interested we can go and create the article right now, but it would be better if there existed an article on the 'Wikipedia in the Albanian language'. -- Imbris (talk) 21:35, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

It will create problems in here with other Slavic users if you used Deltari the Illyrian dog since we are using Šarplaninac. [18].Honestly I need to do my research about the Albanian dog.I know there are other breeds in Albania beside Deltari which are even bigger.

Thank you for this interesting matter.--Taulant23 (talk) 21:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, I am a Slavic user, and do not have any problems with the fact that the Deltari Ilir is in fact an Albanian breed of dog. This breed currently doesn't have its country of origins, it was mistakenly listed as Yugoslav because Albania did not have its representatives in the Fédération Cynologique Internationale. I am sure if Kosovo and Albania would ask for membership in the F.C.I. that the Deltari Ilir would be recognized under the name of the Albanian Shepherd Dog.

I am sure that there are more Albanian breeds of dog (the Albanian Wolfdog), but this one has the best chances to be recognized as such by the F.C.I., since Sharr today has nothing to do with Yugoslavia, it could be recognized as a joint Albanian, Kosova and Macedonian breed of dog. This would be the winning combination for the F.C.I.

This web-site has plenty of content. [19]

I will wait for you to collect more sources and question around for more information.

Imbris (talk) 22:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I am not hurrying you up, but would like to point out Milan Šufflay, as a connection. -- Imbris (talk) 22:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Strange,never heard of him before.--Taulant23 (talk) 22:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

• THE ALBANIAN DOG

can be traced to a very remote period of history. Some of the old authors speak of it as the dog which in the times of ancient mythology Diana presented to Procris. Pliny describes in enthusiastic terms the combat of one of them with a lion, and afterwards with an elephant. A dog very much resembling the ancient stories is yet found in Albania, and most of the districts of Greece. He is almost as large as a mastiff, with long and silky hair, the legs being shorter and stronger than those of the greyhound. He is gentle and tractable with those whom he knows, and when there is no point of duty at stake; but no bribe can seduce him from his post when any trust is committed to him.

[This dog, it is very probable, was highly impregnated with molossian blood, and like that animal, was trained both for war and the chase. It is rather doubtful, whether the dogs presented to Alexander the Great by the king of Albania, were those of his own country or some that he had obtained from other parts. We are inclined to believe that they were imported dogs, for Pliny distinctly states, that these two were all that the generous monarch possessed, and if destroyed could not be replaced. From this circumstance it is natural to suppose, that, if these dogs had been native Albanians, the king would have been able to supply any reasonable quantity of them.--Taulant23 (talk) 06:37, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Origin of Albanians

I propose a change in the structure of the article based on the different fields of the studies on this matter. Archeology, Linguistic, Genetics or Anthropology, Literature and Cultural fields. Right now there is a vague description and not all points of view has been taken into consideration. What do you think? Aigest (talk) 14:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I am out of Wikipedia.My edit's are small now,it's a waste of time to write the old and glorious history of Albania in a page where is edited by kids.Completely waste of time.--Taulant23 (talk) 04:41, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

It seems it's waste of time write about „glorious“ and „old“ history of Albania, it's waste of time to bring some arguments and historical facts, right? If you are afraid of disscusing about genetical origin of Albanians, I think I know the reason. --Zik2 (talk) 21:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

no body is talking about genetical origin of Albanians.But if you want,first go study the basics of Genetics,genomes,dominant,recessive, allele frequency,modifier mutations, the XY and XX,lethal mutations, and maybe Shine Delgarno Sequence,primers,introns,and go ahead perform a PCR and after talk to me about "genetical" origin of Albanians.--Taulant23 (talk) 02:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't be pesimist Taulant23, may be Zik2 can interprete the references I have presented in the end of the talk page [[20]] Aigest (talk) 11:19, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok ketu seksioni mbi studimet gjenetike tek shqiptaret [21] e bere nga une dhe diskutimi ketu [22] per kete teme. Gjithe te mirat Aigest (talk) 11:10, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Linked to the Illyrians is a debate at the talk page Origin of Albanians. Since you have participated in this topic at Illyrians I think you are interested to see the ongoing debate there. Bests Aigest (talk) 07:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Kemi gjetur shume referenca dhe po mundohemi te permiresojme artikullin. Te lutem merr pjese aty, jane shume materiale per te gjitha ceshtjet qe mund te preken per origjinen. Ti dhe BW keni me shume eksperience si editore dhe mund ti jepni nje pamje me te bukur artikullit (gjithashtu dhe nje majority view) kete ia propozova dhe BW mua me keni per provat:) ose per pjese teknike;) Gjithe te mirat

P.S. Ky material [23]i bollshem dhe i gjere, eshte marre nga ky liber i [24] i NGL Hammond. Mund ta marresh ne biblioteke apo tek google snipet view mund te perdoresh fjalet kyc;) Aigest (talk) 10:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

:Sorry Taulant, why haven`t you reported User:Kwamikagami for that insult? I do not get you, its far away from wiki behaviour, to call somebody like that.Balkanian`s word (talk) 18:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

• Keep it cool Balkanian ;).I am [25]--Taulant23 (talk) 20:22, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Sapo te derg mail. Po ashtu pergj te adr ime. Aigest (talk) 06:36, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

po pate nevoje per material tjeter me thuaj. Aigest (talk) 06:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

ketu ke Ducellier, nje nga me te miret per historine e mesjetes [26] edhe ky mund te perdoret Aigest (talk) 06:50, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Dude you got some REALLY NICE sources.Even the genetics one are very reliable.I am gone read all of them tonight.--Taulant23 (talk) 06:56, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Falemners:) per interpretimin e tyre ke dhe debatin te talk page tek origjina e shq, me duket se dhe ata dy te tjeret aty u binden:) ose te pakten s'kundershtuan me:) Aigest (talk) 07:09, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Tani po me fut ne borxh:) Aigest (talk) 07:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Me behet qejfi qe te pelqen. Te cova dhe nje mail per me tutje;) Aigest (talk) 07:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Eshte shume e lidhur dhe me Maliqin, i cili del i lidhur me Sisklon dhe Diminin. Pra popullsia shqiptare eshte gjeneruar ne ate zone le te themi rreth Maliqit:)dhe pastaj ka levizur pergjate bregdetit dhe ne itali. Keto shkojne me teorine qe Iliret jane pergjithesisht popullsi autokton vendase sepse nuk verehen shkeputje ne kronologjine arkeologjike, perkundrazi te njejtat forma jane permiresuar dalengadale. Edhe nje gje tjeter, Iliret e jugut ishin shume me te avancuar (kontakti me Greket mbase) se iliret e veriut (disa quajne ilire vetem iliret e jugut:) kjo eshte nje faktor qe ndikon me vone ne mosromanizimin e Ilireve te jugut(ata te veriut u romanizuan ne bregdet kurse brendesia u sllavizua me vone). Plus qe ka te beje dhe fakti qe nuk pati kolonizim te thelle te trojeve ilire pasi nuk kishte fusha:) dhe nuk ishte kufi i perandorise (ashtu sic i ndodhi dakeve) pra ndikimi romak ishte vetem ne qytete dhe G.B. Pellegrini (linguist i shquar Italian) ve ne dukje faktin qe ne fshatrat shqiptare nuk gjejme mbishkrime romake apo greke, qe tregon qe influenca shtrihej vetem mbi qytetet ndersa fshatrat sidomos ata ne male (shqiperia 80% male:)) kishin nje popullsi ilire e cila vetem kur zbriste ne qytet (per te shitur bageti e per te blere kripe them une:)) mundohej te fliste pak latinisht. Prandaj fjalet qe kane te bejme me qytetin dhe aktivitet e tij jane me origjine Latine. Me vone kur ndikimi romak ra dhe bizanti kishte hallin e dyndjeve, u rigjallerua jeta ne male dhe atehere filloi formimi i etnosit arber. Aman jepini pak forme te mire atij artikullit ti me BW, pastaj e shikoj dhe une. Aigest (talk) 07:59, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Souliots, Cham Albanians

greket po bejne vandalising ne artikujt. hidh nje sy. --Sarandioti (talk) 20:07, 16 June 2009 (UTC)