Talk:Sheikh Hasina

Formally addressing the subject with a different naming conventions.

Should the article formally refer to the subject

• by her family name, Sheikh
• or her by her given name, Hasina? Appu (talk) 14:10, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Info- The Chinese (at least the politicians I know) have similar naming order and are referred to by their family names in the Wikipedia articles. Appu (talk) 14:16, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment I don't see any standard conventions for Bangladeshi names, as there are for many other nationalities (and if her name is currently "Sheikh Hasina Waked", it is also possible that the correct way would be "Waked", which is omitted here and should also be presented as an option). But this should probably be asked at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (people), perhaps with the aim of developing general guidance and standardization for Bangladeshi names, rather than as a one-off on a particular article. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 17:08, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  • Clarification - Wajed is out of question since it is not a part of her common name. Zendaya, Shakira, Rihanna have family names by which they are not referred to as, since there common name is strictly their given names. In Tom Cruise, Mapother is his family name, Cruise is his middle name yet Wikipedia refers to him as Cruise for the same reason. Here too, the subject is unanimously known without Wajed.

  Appu (talk) 18:34, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  It is up to the respondents of the RfC, not the filer of it, what is or is not "out of the question". Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 18:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm an uninvolved editor brought here by the RfC bot. Generally, in western English, we refer to figures by their "family name" in articles and other impersonal documents. I scarequote that because as the proposer of this RfC mentioned, there are numerous exceptions. Practically all of them are as they stated, when the common name is mononymous or the person's common name as a different "last name" than their actual one.

That being said, there are cases where I've seen prominent figures commonly referred by their given name. I believe in cases when reliable sources consistently refer to someone by their given name, we should follow those sources in the intent of WP:COMMONNAME, and not try to impose our own rules of consistency when RSes disagree.

For Sheikh Hasina, a quick Google News search shows reliable sources abbreviating her name as "Hasina" far more than "Sheikh". For instance, here are the past 7 New Indian Express articles on the topic "Sheikh Hasina": [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Each one abbreviates Sheikh Hasina's name at some point during the article, and every article abbreviates her as "Hasina" or some variation of "Prime Minister Hasina". None of these articles abbreviates her name as "Sheikh" or "Prime Minister Sheikh". Going into Google News [8], just picking through the top articles (excluding the ones about the "Sheikh Hasina" chess tournament which don't abbreviate her name), almost of them refer to her as "Hasina" and none use the term "Sheikh". NDTV calls her "Ms Hasina" [9], Al Jazeera calls her "Hasina" in the headline [10], Al-Jazeera again calls her "Hasina" [11], an article from the Dhaka Tribune doesn't call her "Hasina" but links to another article that does [12], an article from the AP published in the Independent calls her "Hasina", [13], and another article from NDTV doesn't abbreviate her name [14]. I have not been able to find a single article so far in the past 20 minutes of searching that abbreviates "Sheikh Hasina" as just "Sheikh" or "PM Sheikh".

I've also read through the "Sheikh Hasina" topic on The Daily Star. The first seven articles [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] do not abbreviate Sheikh Hasina's name as either "Sheikh" or "Hasina". From the eighth to eleventh article her name is abbreviated as "Hasina" [22] [23] [24] [25]. At this point, given that every source I could find refers to Sheikh Hasina as "Hasina" when the need for abbreviation arises and none of them use "Sheikh" (or Waked, for that matter), I think we should follow the spirit of WP:COMMONNAME and abbreviate "Sheikh Hasina" as Hasina in the article if necessary. Chess (talk) (please use {{reply to|Chess}} on reply) 05:06, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

• Tentatively Hasina - Mostly on the basis of the evidence brought forth by(talk)above. But I would like to have a "theoretical justification" for the decision, such as an explanation from someone who is familiar with Bangladeshi naming customs. PraiseVivec (talk) 14:26, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Hasina - Regardless of societal convention, the wikipedia way is to follow the conventions of the reliable sources that we use. From Chess's efforts above, it seems pretty clear that English language reliable sources unanimously use Hasina as the convention, so regardless of a general rule for how any random Bangladeshi person's name should be conveyed, Sheikh Hasina's name specifically should be shortened to Hasina. I do think it would be useful to establish a general convention, but that convention would be ignored in this situation (50/50 that the convention would make it moot, but either way it simply wouldn't be a factor here). Fieari (talk) 23:39, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Request to change IPA pronunciation

I suggest changing [ɦɐsina] to [ɦasina]. As per the Wikipedia articles on Help:IPA/Bengali and on Bengali language, ɐ as a phoneme is not found in Bengali. However, the letters অ and আ are commonly denoted as /a/. Therefore denoting হাসিনা as [ɦasina] would be more appropriate. Thank You. SomePacifisticGuy (talk) 15:00, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

NPV and worth to mention

The article must be edited from WP:NPV. Also avoid WP:PUFFERY.

Below are some of the information not mentioned. Can be added and cited with reliable sources.

The Biden administration has raised questions over the legitimacy of the Sheikh Hasina government over three years after the general elections. It said disappearances have become a “hallmark” of Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina’s rule since 2009, a tool for curtailing free speech and criticism. In the 2013 Universal Periodic Review, the Bangladesh government agreed to “thoroughly and impartially investigate and … prosecute all allegations of human rights violations, in particular enforced disappearances, custodial torture and extra-judicial killings,” including violations by members of the security forces. However, except for a few isolated incidents, the government has failed to honor this commitment.

In Bangladesh, people who question the government’s increasingly authoritarian rule fear they may be next in line to be killed or forcibly disappeared by security forces. When Human Rights Watch raises this with the Bangladeshi authorities, they are quick to dismiss the reports as lies made up by the political opposition...... Yet extrajudicial killings have become so established in Bangladesh...

People have been systematically and judicially punished for challenging the Sheikh Hasina's views.

An August 2021 report by Human Rights Watch documented widespread enforced disappearances by Bangladesh security forces under Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina’s Awami League-led government from 2009 to 2020. Foreign Minister AK Abdul Momen rejected the findings, telling the media that the allegations were “fabricated.” The Bangladesh government has long denied compelling evidence of government involvement in disappearances, which is particularly damaging and painful to victims’ families. Human rights groups have accused current prime minister, Sheikh Hasina, of stifling dissent by wielding draconian laws to curb free speech. --Knitslentsd (talk) 10:13, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

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@Community Tech bot Defensive 103.67.157.66 (talk) 06:21, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@103.67.157.66 বুবু আসসালামু আলাইকুম, আল্লাহ আশা করি আল্লাহ পাকের অশেষ রহমতে ভালই আছেন। পর সংবাদ স্বরাষ্ট্র প্রতিমন্ত্রী ফেরদৌসী আরা আমার অস্ত্র এবং এন এস আই এর আইডি কার্ড জমা নিয়ে আর ফেরত দেয় নাই। তারপরে রেপিড অ্যাকশন ব্যাটেল এ কিছুদিন জয়েন করে কাজ করি। কিন্তু মেনন সাহেবের কাছ থেকে এক কোটি টাকা নেওয়ার পর ওখান থেকেও আমার চাকরি চলে যায়। প্রতিরক্ষা মন্ত্রণালয়ে এখন আর যায় না। ওখান থেকে ৬৫ লক্ষ টাকা অস্ত্র রিনিউয়াল এর সব কাজ আমি সমাধান করে দিয়েছি। আমাকে আরেকটিবার সুযোগ দিয়ে গঠিত করবেন সেই আশাবাদ ব্যক্ত করি। 103.67.157.66 (talk) 06:28, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Diograashiea

By The Gress of Allah 103.67.157.66 (talk) 06:30, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

NPOV

AMomen88, please do not add POV and promotional content to the lead. The economic achievements you are trying to add cannot be credited to Sheikh Hasina unless you can establish these have been achieved because of specific government policies under her term. Bangladesh's socio-economic progress has been an ongoing phenomenon at least since 2004. Experts rather credit the economic growth to the private sector.[26] LucrativeOffer (talk) 21:33, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

@LucrativeOffer:, @Vinegarymass911:, @Mehediabedin:, @Worldbruce: The cited content I inserted is my no means POV or promotional, the sources are neutral and are not biased opinion pieces like the “sources” you added. One of the sources you cited is tagged “opinion” and “views”, OpEds aren’t reliable sources and are only useful to the extent of highlighting the views of the author. The content isn’t “promotional”, stating a fact does not make information promotional. You have yet to substantiate any of your claims such as that as a direct result of the governments policies there has been a “worsening security situation” which is what you accused me of.  As I made clear in edit summaries, as the head of government Hasina takes responsibility for the “positives” and “negatives”, I want to include information which is both “positive” and “negative” so the article is balanced and neutral. That is why it’s fair to have one “positive” and one “negative” paragraph. You seem to be hellbent on inserting information which is solely negative I presume in order to skew the article in favour of your personal opinions. Some of the points you added are really quite absurd, are you suggesting Hasina is responsible for the July Dhaka terror attack?  You are perfectly entitled to your opinions but Wikipedia isn’t your personal blog, facts you don’t like aren’t “promotional”, they are facts. Please end your disruptive and unproductive edits which are jeopardising the neutrality and denigrating the overall quality of the article. —AMomen88 (talk) 14:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

You are very wrong about your interpretation of WP:RS. Opinion Pieces are reliable sources when it's written by someone credible, in this case it is the assistant editor of The Daily Star. Besides, I am not inserting the opinion of the author rather citing a statistical information from the piece. A compromise can be made that we attribute the information in the article to the source which is South Asian Network on Economic Modelling (Sanem). Notable incidents during a statesperson's tenure are mentioned in the lead, you can check George W Bush where the lead includes mention about 9/11. I have no problem to include any achievements of Sheikh Hasina in the lead, but it has to be Hasina's. Feel free to include any policies or initiatives undertaken by Hasina's government. Again, the George Bush article could be your model to follow.

Also I am very concerned about your behavior, you are repeatedly attacking me, first in the edit summaries and now in the talk page. Tagging uninvolved editors in the discussion with an impolite note is canvassing. Please fix your behavior to keep the discussion civil. LucrativeOffer (talk) 16:06, 13 December 2022 (UTC)