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***No problem, and thanks, but really that's too much credit. I'm just a cog in a big machine. If it wasn't for gnomes, editors, admins, recent changes patrolers, article writers... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 20:45, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
***No problem, and thanks, but really that's too much credit. I'm just a cog in a big machine. If it wasn't for gnomes, editors, admins, recent changes patrolers, article writers... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 20:45, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
*{{stagged|Tagged account as confirmed}}. IP case looks to be addressed. Closing. --[[User:Jack Frost|Jack Frost]] ([[User talk:Jack Frost|talk]]) 20:32, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
*{{stagged|Tagged account as confirmed}}. IP case looks to be addressed. Closing. --[[User:Jack Frost|Jack Frost]] ([[User talk:Jack Frost|talk]]) 20:32, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
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===15 April 2022===

====Suspected sockpuppets====
{{sock list|1=Arkiat|2=5.61.62.144|tools_link=yes}}<!-- Add more accounts or IPs to this template as needed -->

Apart from the usual undue promotion of new genetic studies ("Another study in 2021 concluded..") and the Asian topic range, this editor has made edits to [[:Native Indonesians]] that use text which is very similar to text that was added by a previous sock in [[:Negritos]]:

*Arkiat:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1082749396&oldid=1081521458&title=Native_Indonesians] {{tq|The hunter-gatherer individual had approximately ~50% "Basal-East Asian" ancestry, and was positioned in between modern East Asians (including [[Andamanese peoples|Andamanese]] [[Onge]]), and Papuans/Aboriginal Australians of Oceania. The authors concluded that East Asian-related ancestry expanded much earlier into Maritime Southeast Asia than previously suggested, long before the expansion of [[Austroasiatic languages|Austroasiatic]] and [[Austronesian languages|Austronesian]] groups.}}

*{{u|Lankaman20}}:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1042979457&oldid=1040745759&title=Negrito] {{tq|The Negrito sample had approximatelly ~50% "Basal-East Asian" ancestry, and was positioned in between modern East Asians and Papuans of Oceania. The authors concluded that this shows that East Asian-related ancestry expanded much earlier than previously suggested, long before the expansion of [[Austroasiatic languages|Austroasiatic]] and [[Austronesian languages|Austronesian]] groups.}}

The IP editor @5.61.62.144 (apparently using a proxy) has added material in [[:Malays_(ethnic_group)]] that is very similar to another piece of text added by @Arkiat:

*Arkiat:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1082749396&oldid=1081521458&title=Native_Indonesians] {{tq|Another study in 2021 concluded that distinctive [[East Asian people|Basal-East Asian]] ancestry originated in [[Mainland Southeast Asia]] at ~50,000BC, and expanded through multiple migration waves southwards and northwards respectively. Basal-East Asian ancestry, as well as later Austroasiatic-associated ancestry, spreaded into [[Maritime Southeast Asia]] prior to the Austronesian expansion. Austronesian-speakers themself are suggested to have arrived on [[Geography of Taiwan|Taiwan]] and the northern Philippines between 10,000BC to 7,000BC from coastal southern China. The authors concluded that the Austronesian expansion into [[Insular Southeast Asia]] and [[Polynesia]] was outgoing from the Philippines rather than Taiwan, and that modern Austronesian-speaking people have largely ancestry from the earliest Basal-East Asians, Austroasiatic migrants from Mainland Southeast Asia, and Austronesian-speaking seafarers from the Philippines, with out much admixture from previous groups.}}

*5.61.62.144:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1082804876&oldid=1081717321&title=Malays_(ethnic_group)] {{tq|A study in 2021 concluded that a distinctive [[East Asian people|Basal-East Asian]] lineage (sometimes termed as '''East- and Southeast Asian lineage''<nowiki/>' (ESEA)), which is ancestral to modern East and Southeast Asians, Polynesians, and Siberians, originated in [[Mainland Southeast Asia]] at ~50,000BC, and expanded through multiple migration waves southwards and northwards respectively. Basal-East Asian ancestry, as well as later [[Austroasiatic languages|Austroasiatic]]-associated ancestry, spreaded into [[Maritime Southeast Asia]] prior to the Austronesian expansion. Austronesian-speakers themself are suggested to have arrived on [[Geography of Taiwan|Taiwan]] and the northern Philippines between 10,000BC to 7,000BC from coastal southern China, and spreaded from their throughout Insular Southeast Asia. The authors concluded that the Austronesian expansion into Insular Southeast Asia and [[Polynesia]] was outgoing from the Philippines rather than Taiwan, and that modern Austronesian-speaking peoples, such as the Malays, have largely ancestry from the earliest Basal-East Asians, Austroasiatic migrants from Mainland Southeast Asia, and Austronesian-speaking seafarers from the Philippines, with out much admixture from previous groups.}}

- [[User:Austronesier|Austronesier]] ([[User talk:Austronesier|talk]]) 07:01, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

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*{{Endorse}} - {{duck}}. Please compare {{np|Arkiat}} to the currently and previously reported accounts. --[[User:Jack Frost|Jack Frost]] ([[User talk:Jack Frost|talk]]) 22:51, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
*{{Inprogress}} - -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 23:34, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
*Arkiat is {{confirmed}}. {{ncip}} -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 23:40, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
*Account tagged as confirmed. IP is caught by a 2 year rangeblock. Closing. --[[User:Jack Frost|Jack Frost]] ([[User talk:Jack Frost|talk]]) 12:17, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
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WorldCreaterFighter

10 March 2015
Suspected sockpuppets


Quack quack, no prior discussion or interaction between the two to my knowledge. I've also had to previously warn both about edit warring in copyright violations, and both have proven unable to understand the concept. CU is not needed for this case, but that one was established while the other was still active, I suspect we've got someone who willfully intends to use sockpuppets and probably has sleepers. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:09, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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  • @Callanecc: It was i who earlier added both WorldCreaterFighter (talk · contribs) and Spiritclaymore (talk · contribs) as suspected socks of Tirgil34 (talk · contribs). I explained the reasons here. At the most recent investigation, only a few suspected socks were endorsed. Nevertheless a very large number of users were confirmed as socks by DeltaQuad (talk · contribs), including suspects i listed which were not endorsed for a CU. Due to these revelations, i'm considering launching another investigation containing both newly discovered and some earlier listet non-stale suspects. WorldCreaterFighter and Spiritclaymore initially belonged to the latter group. However would it be inappropriate to list them now that you have checked them in this investigation? Krakkos (talk) 21:13, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, i'm also quite certain that 92.236.36.173 (talk · contribs) is a WP:IPSOCK of WorldCreaterFighter/Spiritclaymore.[1] Krakkos (talk) 21:13, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Callanecc: As you've now stated that there were no sleepers, never mind my question above. Krakkos (talk) 23:03, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
25 April 2015
Suspected sockpuppets


On 10 March 2015, a sockpuppetry investigation of Spiritclaymore (talk · contribs) as a sock of WorldCreaterFighter (talk · contribs) was filed by Ian.thomson (talk · contribs). I added the IP 92.236.36.173 (talk · contribs) as an WP:IPSOCK of WorldCreaterFighter, but this was rejected by WP:CLERK Mike V (talk · contribs) because the IP had not been editing for a while. This IP is clearly WorldCreaterFighter/Spiritclaymore, as illustrated by this diff.[2] The WP:CHECKUSER was endorsed by clerk Vanjagenije (talk · contribs), and Spiritclaymore was confirmed as a sock of WorldCreaterFighter by Checkuser Callanecc (talk · contribs). On 13 April, sockmaster WorldCreaterFighter was blocked indefinately by administrator Diannaa (talk · contribs) for sockpuppetry, repeated copyviolations and other disruptive edits. After the recent block of sockmaster WorldCreaterFighter, WorldCreaterFigher has been violating his block through the same IP. The IP's most recent edit concerns Terence Tao's Cantonese ancestry.[3] The first edit by Spiritclaymore was to Cantonese people[4] and WorldCreaterFighter has edited Cantonese people as well.[5][6] Krakkos (talk) 20:00, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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 Clerk note: The IP 92.236.36.173 obviously belongs to WorldCreaterFighter (signs as Spiritclaymore here), and is very active there days. Should be blocked. Vanjagenije (talk) 22:31, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

10 July 2015
Suspected sockpuppets


The first edit by Namela123 is to restore[7] copyviolated content at Pazyryk burials originally added by WordlCreaterFighter's blocked IP sock 92.236.36.173.[8] WorldCreaterFighter has been restoring this content numerous times both through the master account[9][10] and the confirmed sock Spiritclaymore.[11] At Turkish people Namela123 also restores[12] content originally added by WorldCreaterFighter's blocked IP sock.[13] At Bulgars Namela123 restores[14] content originally added by the master account.[15] At Indus Valley Civilization Namela123 restores content added by Spiritclaymore.[16] Namela123 adds the same content as Spiritclaymore to Eurasian (mixed ancestry)[17][[18]] Interracial marriage,[19][20] Miscegenation.[21][22] and Pazyryk culture.[23] Bear in mind that this is precisely the same copyviolated content which WorldCreaterFight was indefinately blocked for persistently insterting. Namela123 is probably either a sock of WorldCreaterFighter or someone pretending to be him. I'm adding a CU request to check for sleepers. Krakkos (talk) 18:51, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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08 December 2015

Suspected sockpuppets


Same interests in races of Eurasia, genetics, Cantonese people, Arakan massacres in 1942, Rohingya people etc. Definately a WorldCreaterFighter sock. Same attempts to insert "Mongoloid" to Ordos culture.[24][25] Also see edits of his IP 92.236.36.173. Krakkos (talk) 16:54, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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11 December 2015

Suspected sockpuppets


This is clearly the IP from which WorldCreaterFighter is now editing from. Same interests spanning from racial theories and genetics, China, to rape during the occupation of Germany. Should be hardblocked as his previous IP 92.236.36.173 Krakkos (talk) 21:30, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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01 January 2016

Suspected sockpuppets


HeichtiSmech restores[39] the edit by WorldCreaterFighter sock ConspiracyThinkerPeople at Rape during the occupation of Germany.[40] Krakkos (talk) 00:43, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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01 January 2016

Suspected sockpuppets


Mvarle13 and Ms02090209 are similar SPA socks editing Ainu people, just like ConspiracyThinkerPeople, HeichtiSmech and IP sock 77.98.238.98. ChowChowWong makes similar edits like 92.236.36.173 and Spiritclaymore to Taishanese people. Dan Capoccia restores edits by various WorldCreaterFighter socks at Ainu people. Krakkos (talk) 01:26, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Except for one edit on Korea, all of Dan' Capoccia's edits have been to restore sockpuppet edits. Doug Weller talk 10:07, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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ChowChowWong (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Dan Capoccia (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
  • The following accounts appear to be Red X Unrelated:
Ms02090209
Mvarle13
no No comment with respect to IP address(es). Mike V • Talk 00:26, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

10 February 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

Primarily for the user X Aterui x, as the 1st 2 are already confirmed as socks; the ip sock evidence is much weaker. The user edits on articles related to Turkey, Ryukyu/Okinawa, and Korea/Japan. The user appears to be the same as this Quora profile [41] with the same name, who repeats many similar statements and shares the exact same beliefs as what the user has edited on Wikipedia. Th primary evidence for adding X Aterui x is this edit[42], which repeats these edits [43] and [44] on Jomon period by Kumasojin 熊襲. The user removes "less than" and replaces with "about", and adds erroneous, highly inflated percentages. X Aterui x also uses the exact same reference above that is also found in another Kumasojin edit on Turanism ([45]. X Aterui x makes an edit on Taiwan independence movement here [46] that is very similar to a statement made here by 일성강 on Quora here [47] "For Japanese .... So they Support a free Taiwan, a free tibet and mostly all southeast-asian nations against the peoples republic of China.". The IP editor also repeats the erroneous genetic percentage inflation for Jomon here [48] and also made edits in articles related to Okinawa/Ryukyu. Fraenir (talk) 17:23, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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06 April 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

Repetitive editing of adding irrelevant genetic studies to a linguistic/archaeological subsection and unsourced allegations that Koreans are from Chinese.[49][50][51][52]

Alleging that a Korean historical figure is Han Chinese.[53][54]

Opposition against Altaic theory.[55][56] Veritas et aequitas Korea (talk) 06:56, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is a common emphasis of relating Koreans to Chinese and distancing Koreans from others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Veritas et aequitas Korea (talk • contribs) 07:13, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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22 May 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

Biased editing and edit warring in a broad spectrum of Korean topics, usually with the intention of distorting origins of Korean culture and language from what seems to be a Chinese nationalistic point of view.

[57] [58] [59] [60] [61] [62] [63] [64] 제승원 (talk) 03:35, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Are you serious. I am not the person that is violating wikipedia rules or delete sourced content that do not fit my worldview. If you would look close, i never support any chinese claims. Chinese would claim koreans as chinese...

For example: Koreans You deleted several times the newest researches of korean-origin, and get reverted from mostly all other users.

The source clearly say: "Koreans are the descendants or an admixture of the ancient people who settled the Korean Peninsula, often said to be Siberian,[10][11] paleo-Asian[12] or proto-Dravidian[13] tribes."

"Studies of polymorphisms in the human Y-chromosome have so far produced evidence to suggest that the Korean people have a long history as a distinct, mostly endogamous ethnic group, with successive waves of people moving to the peninsula and three major Y-chromosome haplogroups.[20] A recent study made by the Ulsan National Institute of Science and Technology (UNIST) and international research teams from the UK, Russia and Germany in 2017 indicates that modern Koreans are descendants of peoples from today's Russian Far East and Southern Asia over 13,000-7,000 years ago, with closer genetic connection to people from Southeast Asia,[21] especially with Taiwanese and native Vietnamese groups.[22] The research team said that the Ulchi people have a genetic structure which is the closest to modern Koreans.[21] Bhak Jong-hwa who is a professor in the biomedical engineering department at the Ulsan National Institute of Science and Technology Genome Research Foundation said that Koreans were formed from a pre-existing Northern Mongoloid group, a Southern Mongoloid group that went north and an additional Southern Mongoloid group. Bhak also said that Koreans were formed from the admixture of hunter-gatherers on the peninsula and agricultural Southern Mongoloids from Vietnam who went through China.[23] The reference population for Koreans used in Geno 2.0 Next Generation is 94% Eastern Asia and 5% Southeast Asia & Oceania.[24]"

Or the infobox(also included from another user) say: admixture in modern koreans: 48% north east and and 52% Southeast Asian.

(!! The researches are from a korean university in ulsan, a university in hawai'i and a english-german-russian research team. Nothing chink)

About haplogroup O2B/O-M176: the siurce say: Indonesians: 0.194 36 M176(x47z)=6 47z=1 Jin 2009 (=~20%) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.95.8.219 (talk) 07:16, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also in the hanbok article, I deleted out the Chinese claim. I included only the well sourced iranian/scythian influence on korea. Also from a korean source. Even the former president park is mentioned in the source where she speaks about the connections between the crowns of silla and iranian crowns in today Afghanistan.

So what is your problem you ultra-nationalistic korean racist?

Altaic theory is discredited if you haven't heard that. Welcome in 2017!

And i am btw. half japanese half european.212.95.8.219 (talk) 07:11, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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We don't publicly disclose the IP(s) of named accounts. CU declined.--Bbb23 (talk) 06:22, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

15 June 2017

Suspected sockpuppets


Requesting CheckUser to find sleepers. Krakkos (talk) 10:30, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The case is  Stale. CU declined.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:01, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

05 August 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

Major overlap in edits between KnowledgeAndPeace, WorldCreaterFighter, and past socks like DragoniteLeopard:

IP signed as KnowledgeAndPeace: [92]. KnowledgeAndPeace restores IP's edits ([93], [94])

DUCK quacks are getting deafening.

Requesting CU for the account, not the IP EvergreenFir (talk) 22:41, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Been a few days and no admin comments yet. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:15, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Courcelles: the previous sock account mentioned here DragoniteLeopard (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was reported here back in June. I thought less that two months was within the window before "staleness". EvergreenFir (talk) 06:18, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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31 August 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

Editing the same articles (Kitchee SC, Cantonese people) as sock KnowledgeAndPeace, similar badly written voluminous and argumentative edit summaries, simiar wanton reverting JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 05:54, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I too was keeping an eye on this user thinking they might be a sock. Note the gap between account creation and first edit. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:28, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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This case is being reviewed by Sro23 as part of the clerk training process. Please allow them to process the entire case without interference, and pose any questions or concerns either on their Talk page or on this page if more appropriate.

24 September 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

Editing on ethnicity pages, specifically on lists of notable people.

Edited on entry a previous sock edited ([95] [96]). User went straight to Cantonese people where many socks have edited before (see page history).

Requesting CU for sleeper check. User has many socks in record EvergreenFir (talk) 17:22, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's been over a week. Can someone kindly attend to this? EvergreenFir (talk) 04:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Following are  Confirmed,  Blocked and tagged:
Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:04, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

12 October 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

Past sock: [97] SushigirlJessice: [98]

Brand new account went straight to Cantonese people, a long-term target of the sockmaster EvergreenFir (talk) 17:53, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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19 October 2017

Suspected sockpuppets


The account was created at 13:58, 17 October 2017, almost immediately started edit-warring at South Korea–Turkey relations (21:05, 17 October 2017). I went to the revision history and started finding suspicious overlaps (Korean POV editing) with these two Austrian IP addresses (Editor Interaction Analyser). I am hoping a clerk would take a look at this to see if it calls for a CU. Alex ShihTalk 18:57, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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"GoguryeoHistorian" is possibly another sockpuppet of the longtime Austria-IP pro-Austronesian anti-Turan anti-Altaic nationalist.

GoguryeoHistorian suddenly appeared on South Korea-Turkey relations with the same motivation as 212.95.8.185

These are his suspected accounts that I know of. There are most likely more. [99] [100] [101] [102] [103] [104] [105] [106]


And there are many more one-time use IPs such as 212.95.8.* and other accounts. I don't think diffs are necessary because his posting style and preoccupations are so focused and obvious that scanning his post history makes it obvious. Just taking a look at the post histories will show really obvious QUACKING.

-Posts from Austria, sometimes from neighboring countries. Will frequently use Austria T-mobile to phonepost.

-Extreme preoccupation and bias of Austronesian/Dravidian.

-Extreme preoccupation and animosity of Turanism, Turkey, and Altaic.

-Extreme preoccupation with distancing Japanese and Korean language and race away from Altaics and toward Austronesian.

-Usually makes edits to languages and history.

-Claims to be Japanese or Korean or both but is actually neither. [107] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.36.56 (talk) 21:33, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]


I concur with the user above. See here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/213.162.72.246 Probably other sockpuppets used by this ethno-POV account on a mission. Regards Akocsg (talk) 21:43, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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24 November 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

The dispute started at Hanbok, then eventually Pazyryk culture. In a dispute over Hanbok this IP user kept calling me a cockroach in Japanese and other various ad hominem attacks[108][109][110][111][112] and made no substantive effort to talk over it in the discussion page.[113] As soon as 213.162.72.238 got banned, other IPs within the 213.162.72.* range was used to evade the block and continue editing Pazyryk culture.[114][115] Currently, Hanbok is locked in a version in his favor. VeryGoodBoy (talk) 21:29, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

These IPs are consistent with other socks and IPs, that they usually engage in Turckic/Korean/Japanese/Chinese issues with a determined POV. VeryGoodBoy (talk) 21:44, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you see the investigation archive, the 213.162.* IP range has already been pointed out as IP socks of this user. VeryGoodBoy (talk) 21:48, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I added 80.243.173.100. It began reverting same articles as soon as 213.162.72.* got banned. WHOIS indicates same geographical locality. VeryGoodBoy (talk) 14:11, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims. I have already ask to you to use the talk. The deleted sentence is not in english and make no sense. Desbite that my edits are all sourced and accepted. But you keep deleting them or pushing your strange opinion. You are the one using POV. To say that "Koreans" lived at the altai mountains and that koreans was the counterpart of the Scythians is unhistorical POV. also i have asked you many times to use the TALKPAGE. But you ignore it. I also showed you the source that say the opposite of you claim. It is stated that the mummy found has caucasoid features and is believed to be of Tocharian or Scythian origin. And NO ONE support a "korean" origin of this mummy. And to your claim I am no sock. I use a mobile IP, that change by move and by login into the net. But i quess it is useless to explain this to a korean pov nationalist. You koreansentry members are a shame for asians and humanity. Please admins keep a watch on these korean nationalist. There are alrew many who are blocked. Mostly based in the USA or australia. CHECK HIS EDIT HISTORY AND HIS BLOCK LOG. CHECK THE OTHER KOREAN BLOCKED USERS. CHECK MY EDITS CAREFULLY AND SHOW ME WHERE I VANDALIZED OR EDITED WRONG.ϜϓſϞ213.162.72.163 (talk) 22:15, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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GeneralizationsAreBad Please do so, and quickly. It's becoming a pain to keep up with, and revert their edits. Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball! 08:49, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@GeneralizationsAreBad: The collateral is fairly low – go for it. ~ Rob13Talk 14:34, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

02 February 2018

Suspected sockpuppets

Past socks edit on East Asian ethnicities with lists of notable people. Check user would be appreciated with the data aren't too stale given this user's history of socking . Example edits [116] [117] [118] EvergreenFir (talk) 04:06, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, give me until Monday please. I'll try to put stuff together. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:11, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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21 February 2018

Suspected sockpuppets


I know this user as User:Kumasojin 熊襲. It says that this sock is now listed under this new name, so I'm filling it here. This user (Kumasojin variant) likes to edit around Korean and Japanese languages/ethnicity topics and supports fringe genetic theories. This user's loves to use Alexander Vovin to support his claims. Previous sock refs [119]; here's the IP sock's vovin refs[120][121][122][123]. Strongly anti-Altaic. Previous socks: [124][] Current IP sock [125]. Makes the same exact changes as a previous sock[126] here[127]. Constantly links Gaya to Japonic vs Korea, previous sock[128] and IP[129]. I could go on and on, but this is clearly the same banned sockpuppet editor. Fraenir (talk) 11:05, 21 February 2018 (UTC) Fraenir (talk) 11:05, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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22 February 2018

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Adding fringe genetic theories, restoring edits of blocked socking IP to Cantonese people JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 16:03, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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04 March 2018

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Same profile of pretending to be a certain ethnicity, obsession with fringe genetics, interest in Japan/Korea topics, anti-Altaic, obsession with tracing the origins of the Jomon and Ainu, and oddly obsessed with the article Kitchee SC: IP[130], previous socks[131][132]. This is the smoking gun.[133][134] The IP sock edits and changes the signature date, as a continuation of sock User:KnowledgeAndPeace's arguments on the talk page here[135] , just after the user was banned. Makes almost the same edit here with the exact same source and source format (a careful look at the source format should make it very clear); with the IP[136], with sock user User:KnowledgeAndPeace here[137]. Also removes the same info on Altaic languages here as the IP[138] and here as the sock.[139] Fraenir (talk) 08:32, 4 March 2018 (UTC) Fraenir (talk) 08:32, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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This is an already once blocked IP used by this editor; see the editing history > 6 months ago, block log, and the archive.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 09:20, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I suspect this user is using this old, known IP sock to edit war with himself to legitimize this new IP editor 121.214.36.82 who also just popped up. Their writing style is exactly the same and they argue the same way. This new IP 121.214.36.82 also likes to make absurd attacks like this [140] which is typical for this suckpuppet editor; of course, this IP also uses it as an opportunity to sneak in fringe genetic theories into another article on Wikipedia. Also makes odd claims about Chinese propaganda on Wikipedia[141], similar to ones made by the sockpuppet here.[142] Fraenir (talk) 11:17, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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17 May 2018

Suspected sockpuppets

Restores[143] the exact same edit made multiple times by various sockpuppets of this sockmaster on this page: previous sock edits on this page by multiple confirmed socks socks[144], [145]. Makes the exact same edit here[146] as a previous confirmed IP sock here[147]. Has the same range of editing interests as Kumasojin/WorldCreationFighter. It's highly unusual for this IP editor with limited edits to have such a huge overlap of editing on similar articles, ranging from rather disparate topics like Wucheng culture (shown above), South Korea–Turkey relations (by the IP sock[148]; previous socks User:GoguryeoHistorian[149] (only showing one of many), User:일성강[150] to Haplogroup DE, Haplogroup D-M174, Haplogroup D-M55, Japonic languages, Classification of the Japonic languages and many more - the overlap is pretty obvious and clear, and it's not surprising since the IP sock is editing the same type of topics favored by Kumasojin/WorldCreationFighter - articles related to Japan, the Ryukyu Islands, Jomon, Korea, and fringe genetics. This socks's dislike of the Altaic theory, especially when linked to Japanese, is also reflected by this IP editor here[151], while a previous sock also edited the same article to support this fringe theory here trying to link Japanese elsewhere[152]. Fraenir (talk) 06:28, 17 May 2018 (UTC) Fraenir (talk) 06:28, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This section is for 86.56.207.16. This IP was already caught once in the past for being a confirmed sock, and it's back again making the same type of edits as the previous sockmaster; this sock returned the day that the previous ban was lifted. I suggest a longer ban for this IP since this sock is so persistent. Gratuitously assigning modern concepts of race/nationality to the past here [153]; makes pretty much the same edit with the same source here[154], such as this edit by a previous confirmed sock [155] and sock IP [156]Fraenir (talk) 12:04, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The 193 IP was inactive for a few weeks following the creation of this request, so although I reverted some edits by the IP, I did not bother to block it. However, it has returned to editing in the same pattern over the past few days, so further action may be warranted. Dekimasuよ! 01:12, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • NinjaRobotPirate has blocked 86.56.207.16 for 6 months. Dekimasu has blocked 193.171.130.114 for 1 week. In view of the amount of time over which this IP address has been involved in this matter, I would have blocked for longer, but we'll see how it goes. I don't see that there's anything else to be done, so I'm closing this investigation. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:45, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

18 September 2018

Suspected sockpuppets


Same interest in fringe linguistics and falsification of sources to justify ethno-nationalist POV editing. This variation is mostly editing around Korean topics; edits the same topics as various sockpuppets of WorldCreationFighter, and also goes back to Vovin to justify his questionable linguistic claims.

1.This edit was made by an acknowledged/now banned IP sock[157] in the Khitan language article, which is pretty much repeated by DDdcg here[158] in the Goguryeo language article. Uses the exact same Vovin source with similar formatting and phrasing, to justify his fringe claims linking Goguryeo/Korean to Khitan.
2.This disingenious edit with misleading edit summary (the user was actually restoring previous sockpuppet editing) on Paleosiberian language [159] is also very similar to a sockpuppet edit here [160] by a previous sockpuppet of this user, with the exact same source (Vovin again). Fraenir (talk) 12:40, 18 September 2018 (UTC) Fraenir (talk) 12:40, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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26 October 2018

Suspected sockpuppets

See below. Bbb23 (talk) 19:24, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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04 December 2018

Suspected sockpuppets


User AmurTiger18 (a confirmed sock of WorldCreaterFighter insisted on removing a sourced section in the article Cantonese [161], [162]. After this user is blocked, user Moalli continues to carry on exactly the same behavior [163], [164], [165], [166], [167], [168] (talk page). 126.124.157.198 (talk) 04:40, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Content moved from talk page. I take no opinion on the report. Sakura CarteletTalk 04:51, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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09 December 2018

Suspected sockpuppets


After AmurTiger18 (contribution [169], [170], [171]) and HainanTai (contribution [172], [173], [174]), two recent sockpuppets of User WorldCreaterFighter, got blocked a while ago, Erminwin suddenly appeared and made exactly the same edits and in yhe same articles as User AmurTiger18 and HainanTai, [175], [176], [177], [178]). 119.204.41.231 (talk) 17:17, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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23 May 2019

Suspected sockpuppets

  • 193.171.130.114 has previously been blocked as an IP sock of WorldCreaterFighter,[179][180] but that block has recently expired and the IP has resumed editing topics of interest of WorldCreaterFighter.
  • Alexkyoung is a newly created user who has made a large amount of edits to articles frequented by WorldCreaterFighter:
  • 77.100.234.159 is a previously blocked IP sock of WorldCreaterFighter[218] which has resumed editing WorldCreaterFighter-topics after the block expired.
  • 80.243.173.100 is a previously blocked IP sock of WorldCreaterFighter[219] which has resumed editing WorldCreaterFighter-topics after the block expired. Krakkos (talk) 18:14, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The accusation to Alexkyoung is wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dealing_with_sock_puppets#What_is_a_sock_puppet?

I had to read the above article to learn what a 'sockpuppet' is. Not only is the accusation wrong, but it is uncivil. I do not even know 'WorldCreaterFighter'. I am the only user using this account, and I am not aware of any hackers. If the moderators can tell me if my account has been hacked, that would be good for me to know.

The above articles are merely a fraction of my wikipedia contributions. And some of those articles are edited by hundreds of other users, so to single me out among the crowd is discrimination. I have freedom to edit articles of my choice, especially the ones that you deem more 'obscure' because those are precisely the kinds of wikipedia articles that we need more information on to share with the rest of the world. Some of those 'Asian scientists' are actually American by nationality. Michael Hardy and David Eppstein are two other users who also make a lot of edits on articles that I contribute to. Correlation does not imply causation.

I request the accuser Krakkos to apologize for their McCarthy-like accusations and conspiracy theories, especially if they know what is best for them and the greater wikipedia community. I trust the wikipedia moderators to confirm my claims and drop this allegation.

--Alexkyoung

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16 August 2019

Suspected sockpuppets


See below.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 02:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Reverting his own socks.  Confirmed,  Blocked and tagged.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 02:39, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

21 August 2019

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Doug Weller talk 19:18, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed  Blocked and tagged--Doug Weller talk 19:18, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller: Should be Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/WorldCreaterFighter (not creator). ST47 (talk) 19:31, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, yes. I'm not sure how to fix this without deleting something. Doug Weller talk 20:28, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've done a histmerge. Ready for archiving. ST47 (talk) 20:37, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

08 September 2019

Suspected sockpuppets

Please see this guy's edits to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkmens&action=history

His user activity closely mirrors Manasam98 who was banned as a sockpuppet of AsadalEditor/WorldCreatorFighter Hunan201p (talk) 20:54, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence that I'm not a sock-puppet of AsadalEditor( Manasam98, Gyatso1), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:J%C5%8Dmon_people
I'm the one who asked for AsadalEditor sockpuppet to get banned and made a thread to expose his sockpuppet and the moderator did it. This user Hunan201 deliberate removes every reference and data that mentions East Asian/East Eurasian Y-DNA or anthropologically. He did the same with Turkmen, Hazara, Cumans, Eurasian (mixed ancestry), Haplogroup Q-M25, Y-DNA haplogroups in populations of Central and North Asia even though they are well source. Even on Turkmen he deliberate goes as far to avoid mentioning the Y-DNA of Turkmen in Iran, Afghanistan because it doesn't suit his agenda ‎DerekHistorian (talk) 10:20, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]


DerekHistorian is AsadalEditor. He obsessively monitors articles related to the Jomon/Japanese and Central Asian genetics, with a malicious tendency to defend incorrect statements about central Asian genetics, by attempting to make them seem more East Eurasian on their paternal line than they actually are. He also does things like taddling on himself to evade bans, and he is also the author of this blog, in which he tries to muddle his responsibility for his own contributions by criticizing himself, spreading confusion:

DerekHistorian restores the same content as Manasam98 (AsadalEditor):

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkmens&diff=prev&oldid=912271844


https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkmens&diff=prev&oldid=914448115

Hunan201p (talk) 23:47, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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At second thought: Hunan201p's addition was good; I've reinserted it. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:27, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@Hunan201p: Please provide evidence in the form of diffs.  Clerk assistance requested: Please move this report to the correct case.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:19, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

24 September 2019

Suspected sockpuppets


See below.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 21:45, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed,  Blocked and tagged.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 21:46, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

05 October 2019

Suspected sockpuppets


See below.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 23:14, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed

 Blocked and tagged.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 23:14, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

11 January 2020

Suspected sockpuppets


See below.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 12:41, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed

 Blocked and tagged
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 13:03, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

12 January 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

Benji887 started editing today in Jōmon people and added content that looks very similar to recent edits by User:MomotaniYY, blocked sock of User:WorldCreaterFighter, in Ainu people.

MomotaniYY: "Seguchi et al. 2014 presented archeologic, anthropologic and genetic evidence that the ancestors of the Ainu descended from a paleolithic population in Southern Siberia."[220] (above Line 137)
Benji887: "In 2015, Japanese geneticist proposed that the proto-Jōmon originated from a paleolithic population located in Southern Siberia."[221]

–Austronesier (talk) 13:00, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed. I saw him in my watchlist before I saw this report and have just finished blocking him. He is now using proxies to try to hide his location.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 13:47, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

20 February 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

Ape-huchi has seemingly identical interests to the master sock, WorldCreatorFighter, specifically the obsessive interest in the Jomon-Ainu people (and the austronesian origin theory of the Jomon), and also Turkic origin theories.

WorldCreatorFighter's long term abuse case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/WorldCreaterFighter

Ape-Huchi:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ape-huchi

Examples of WorldCreatorFighter alts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/MomotaniYY

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Benji887 Hunan201p (talk) 20:53, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 Clerk assistance requested: Please merge to the correct case (the filer misspelled the master's username).--Bbb23 (talk) 23:41, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

13 March 2020

Suspected sockpuppets


Vaultralph recently restored, without explanation, primary genetics research papers on the Chuvash ethnic group. This is a subject WorldCreaterFighter has been known to quarrel over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chuvash_people&action=history

Vaultralph had previously edited the same section of the Selkup article as AsadalEditor:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Selkup_people&diff=888343487&oldid=876086847

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Selkup_people&diff=prev&oldid=863633755 Hunan201p (talk) 19:26, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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See also the multiple cases where the people I filed investigations for turned out to be prolific sockmasters. Kleuske shows strong tendencies to WP:HOUND. I have never accused him of being a sockpuppet. He has (despite having ample warning in that page's edit history) reverted the work of a confirmed sockmaster on at least one occasion. - Hunan201p (talk) 22:44, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

Insufficient evidence. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:27, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

15 March 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/86.107.104.6

I am 98% sure this is a WorldCreaterFighter alt. Same broken English. He/she/they makes edits removing large portions of material related to Turks, and also focuses heavily on Dravidian languages and numerically small North Asian ethnic groups like Nivkhs. He/sbe/they has also edited articles related to Tamils; WorldCreaterFighter had even created an account with the name "Tamil" in it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/WorldCreaterFighter

Furthermore, attempts to completely remove entire well-sourced paragraphs indicative of positive relations/collaborations between Turkey and Korea or Japan despite neutral POV, also known to have added detailed explanations of insults and slurs describing Turks or Mongols

Exact motives and nature of biases unclear and enigmatic Strong opinions in China-related edits led some in sockpuppet investigation to initially speculate Chinese nationalism

Common thread of edits aiming to distance the Korean and Japanese languages and peoples away from certain groups that could allow for Altaic interpretations Sockpuppet userpage evidence of strong bias in favor of Austronesian/Dravidian-based theory for genetic and linguistic origin in ancient Japan and Korea, also noted in investigation Known for holding numerous strong opinions on very particular aspects of all kinds of East and Central Asian linguistic, genetic, and historic associations, all of which tend to favor a pro-Southeast Asian/Austronesian alignment such as for the origins of the Jomon and Ainu peoples"


Another example:

IP user 86.107.104.6 makes edit regarding Ainu and Nivkh genetic relations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nivkh_people&diff=prev&oldid=943917498

AsadalEditor (WorldCreaterFighter sockpuppet) makes edit removing information about maternal genetic link between Nivkhs and Ainu:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ainu_people&diff=prev&oldid=905973332

AsadalEditor heavily edited the Genetic History of East Asians article:

https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/usersearch.py?name=AsadalEditor&page=Genetic_history_of_East_Asians&server=enwiki&max=


86.107.104.6 edits portion of the article AsadalEditor obsessed over and potentially created:


https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genetic_history_of_East_Asians&diff=prev&oldid=945604249 


Hunan201p (talk) 01:37, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Blocked IP as a proxy. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:28, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

19 March 2020

Suspected sockpuppets


At the talk page and article Descent from Genghis Khan, DerekHistorian made a flurry of obsessive posts about a study by Lkagvasuren (2016) (these accounts are two of his many socks):

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Descent_from_Genghis_Khan&diff=939594191&oldid=939448141

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Descent_from_Genghis_Khan&diff=939446548&oldid=939445730

Now a new guy, TelephoneBaby", has burst on to the scene, using the same exact arguments and typing style as him:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Genghis_Khan&diff=prev&oldid=946318819


Note the obsession with "haplogroup R1b" even when it wasn't relative to content in tbe article (which makes no mention of haplogroups).

@ST47: pinging younl since you are familiar with this guy and can corrobortate those IPs as associated with DerekHistorian. Hunan201p (talk) 23:54, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 Confirmed. Blocked the sock and tagged the master and sock. ST47, I'm puzzled by the recent history of this, specifically why TelephoneBaby wasn't blocked. I'd appreciate your comments, either here or privately, or just a comment here that you'd prefer not to comment, in which case this report can be closed. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:24, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot. Gailververgailqqq (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) is also confirmed, blocked, and tagged.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:56, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bbb23: In the first couple of checks, there wasn't anything visible. TelephoneBaby's account wasn't created until after my check on February 6th, and I don't believe I've checked the relevant ranges since then. ST47 (talk) 02:22, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

27 March 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

Per WP:DUCK. The usual conflation and misquotation of genetic and linguistic sources to push their POV. Currently highly active with various IPs in Dravidian languages, Brahui people, which belong to the edit range of WorldCreaterFighter. Austronesier (talk) 12:51, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Appears to be hopping across IPs:

– Uanfala (talk) 12:57, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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29 March 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

This user, Otto"KHAN", showed up out of nowhere and started removing contributions I had made. His interests are identical to DerekHistotian's and that if one of his recent alt, TelephoneBaby.

OttoKhan makes an edit about Mongols and Hmong people being blond haired:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Human_hair_color&diff=prev&oldid=945835102

Earlier, one of DerekHistorian's confirmed sockpuppets, TelephoneBaby, made a huge edit to the Genghis Khan article mentioning blond/red hair among Mongols. This is an example quote since it is a huge edit:


https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genghis_Khan&diff=prev&oldid=946319740

"The Olot people, a Mongol-Oirat subgroup were reported as being fair skinned with blue eyes and light hair.

The Tuvans, a Turkic or Mongol-Turkic ethnic group were reported to have blonde hair or red hair"

This user also has a fascination with Mongol and Turk genetics like TelephoneBaby/DerekHistorian did.


EDIT: Additionally, OttoKhan made an edit to the heterochromia iridum page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heterochromia_iridum&diff=945835381&oldid=945785823


The DerekHistorian sock, TelephoneBaby, previously made an edit to an article in close proximity to a description of an historical person (Alexander the Great) having heterochromia iridum:


https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alexander_the_Great&diff=prev&oldid=946159213

"His eyes (one blue, one brown)"

Hunan201p (talk) 08:54, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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04 April 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

IP user shows up out of the blue to mention the frequency of haplogroup Q in Turkmen, seems to be tendentious about Turkmen mtDNA origins:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkmens&diff=948332424&oldid=947772820

One example of DerekHistorian's past edit warring obsessing over haplogroup Q in the article, promoting Y-DNA theories using the same fringe sources on minority Turkmen populations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkmens&diff=936701217&oldid=935379581 Hunan201p (talk) 12:10, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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This case is being reviewed by JJMC89 as part of the clerk training process. Please allow him to process the entire case without interference, and pose any questions or concerns either on his talk page or on this page if more appropriate.

04 April 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

I propose that WernerGerman/WarriorsPride6565 and WorldCreaterFighter are one and the same, based on their identical interests and viewpoints, writing style, etc.

If they are linked, this would stretch WorldCreaterFighter's presence on Wikipedia back to 2009, which is four years eariler than the WorldCreaterFighter account. That would make him perhaps the longest enduring sockmaster on this website, with a history going back over 10 years.

The following is the Wernergerman sockpuppet investigations page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Wernergerman/Archive

WernerGerman's full contributions page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Wernergerman&offset=&limit=500&target=Wernergerman

WarriorPride6565's contributions page (note the edits to Ainu and interracial marriage, similar to WorldCreaterFighter):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/WarriorsPride6565

As we can see, in the days leading up to Wernergerman's ban, Wernergerman's primary focus was on the physical appearance of Genghis Khan. That was also the case for his banned sockpuppet, Germanican.

This mirrors the activity of WorldCreaterFighter's sockpuppets, DerekHistorian and TelephoneBaby.

Wernergerman, like WorldCreaterFighter, has always tried to suppress a piece of historical information from Rashid al-Din, that Genghis Khan was red haired, blue eyed, tall, and also wore a beard, because he does not want people thinking that Genghis Khan looked European, as some authors (such as Lkhagvasuren) have suggested.

Another account, WarriorsPride6565, shared similar opinions on the same page as WernerGerman, and identical viewpoints that would be expressed by TelephoneBaby, 9 years later.


Wernergerman comments from 2011:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Genghis_Khan&oldid=458532927

"So what's the utmost credible source that was selected by the lovely wikipedia editor who inserted this rather insane statement about a caucasoid genghis khan ? Here it is , it's a historian by the name of Rashid Aldin - an ethnically Jewish historian with Jewish training in writing who frequenlty had the habit of employing a partly epic storytelling fashion (a fashion meant to captivate the reader at the cost of portraying truth accurately) ."

WarriorsPride6565 quote from 2011:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Genghis_Khan&oldid=458532927

"Yes clearly it's insane and bias, since all the mongolians with light hair and eyes with varieties of colors all look completely asiatic. How come the wikipedia editor doesn't have the guts to mention this? instead of misleading everyone like he was an caucasian man. Here check out the mongols with 100% asiatic/mongoloid face with red hair,blue eyes, green eyes,blonde hair...whatever you want. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woCN8lVJSNY"


TelephoneBaby examples:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Genghis_Khan&diff=prev&oldid=946318819

"The biggest problem with Rashid-al Din is that he was born in 1249 (and Gazan Khan was born in 1271) that mean he never existed during Genghis Khan lifetime. If Genghis Khan really did have red hair why wasn't this recorded in the The Secret History of the Mongols or by any other Mongolian emperors?"

"While there is no evidence that can prove the accounts of Rashid Al Din of Genghis Khan were correct. The existence of Mongols with fair skin, light eyes and hair have long been reported, a occasional number of Mongols, especially among the minority groups from Mongolia have been either recorded or reported display light coloured physical traits.

The Olot people, a Mongol-Oirat subgroup were reported as being fair skinned with blue eyes and light hair. [6] The Tuvans, a Turkic or Mongol-Turkic ethnic group were reported to have blonde hair or red hair [7]. While most Tuvans have black hair, some also have chestnut brown hair[8] but ocassionally showing blue-green eyes with blonde and freckles.[9]"

Unsigned comment attributed to DerekHistorian at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Descent_from_Genghis_Khan#Edit_dispute_between_DerekHistorian_and_Hunan201p

" [...] "In Mongolian chronicles it always recorded some Mongolians have blonde hair, blue eyes, red hair, green eyes and all of these people still exist today and they all look 100% Mongoloid." [...] "Or would you rather believe controversial Persian historian Rashid-al-Din who was born in Born: 1247, Hamedan, Iran who never had the chance to see Genghis Khan face, in fact Genghis Khan already died 20 years after Rashid Al Din" Hunan201p (talk) 14:31, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Closing. Not interested in handing accolades to socks who haven't edited in 8 years, or in spending time investigating ancient socks which will do nothing to prevent misconduct in the present day. Cabayi (talk) 08:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

12 April 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

I'm seeking a behavioral investigation in to 38.121.43.208, who I suspect is WorldCreaterFighter.


This individual first caught my attention when I saw that he had recently made several statements about me on the talk pages of various users in relation to recent edits about Genghis Khan's hair color:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Joshua_Jonathan&diff=prev&oldid=949966164

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wario-Man&diff=prev&oldid=949966555


https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EvergreenFir&diff=prev&oldid=949967150

^ He made more talk page posts identical to these, but I won't be exhaustive since I know the patrolling admins here are carrying a huge burden right now, with the seemingly endless incoming reports about sockpuppets around here.

The sockmaster WorldCreaterFighter has demonstrated a longstanding obsession with Genghis Khan's hair color, as evidenced in these edits by his confirmed alts:

Diff of edit made by TelephoneBaby, WorldcreaterFighter sock:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Genghis_Khan&diff=946318819&oldid=946119800

Example quote: "The only thing that supports Rashid-al Din account is some Mongols (event today ) do in fact have red hair, green eyes. That portrait of Ogedei Khan also seems to have blue-gray eyes with brown-reddish hair."

Unsigned quote by DerekHistorian on talk page discussion. DerekHistorian is a confirmed WorldCreaterFighter sock:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Descent_from_Genghis_Khan#Edit_dispute_between_DerekHistorian_and_Hunan201p

Quote: "It's not even implying anthropological facial features like some Caucasoid facial features. In Mongolian chronicles it always recorded some Mongolians have blonde hair, blue eyes, red hair, green eyes and all of these people still exist today and they all look 100% Mongoloid."

Okay so now that we can see that both WorldCreaterFighter and this IP user have identical opinions on Genghis Khan and the Mongolian people, let's look at 38.121.43.208's contributions page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/38.121.43.208

All of his edits prior to April 2020 are related to Austroasiatic or Koreanic people/languages, just as WorldCreaterFighter's long-term abuse page says he is obsessed with:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/WorldCreaterFighter

Quote: "Common thread of edits aiming to distance the Korean and Japanese languages and peoples away from certain groups that could allow for Altaic interpretations

Sockpuppet userpage evidence of strong bias in favor of Austronesian/Dravidian-based theory for genetic and linguistic origin in ancient Japan and Korea, also noted in investigation

Known for holding numerous strong opinions on very particular aspects of all kinds of East and Central Asian linguistic, genetic, and historic associations, all of which tend to favor a pro-Southeast Asian/Austronesian alignment such as for the origins of the Jomon and Ainu peoples"

That's all I've got to say. I believe the behavioral evidence is clear that this IP user is a sock of WorldCreaterFighter. Many thanks to the admins here who continue to sift through diffs to keep people from abusing and asssiling this website. - Hunan201p (talk) 02:15, 12 April 2020 (UTC) Hunan201p (talk) 02:15, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: Adding this user: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/38.121.43.227


...For nearly identical edits included relating to human skin pigmentation genes and Romani-related articles. Also similar IPs. - Hunan201p (talk) 16:44, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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18 April 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

I propose that Shinoshijak is WorldCreaterFighter, or connected to him, based on three commonalities:

  • 1.) Obsessive edits concerning the hair color/ancestry of Turks and Mongols, often following edits that I make on the subject
  • 2.) Insistence that the Hmong and Miao people of southeast Asia have/had blond hair/blue eyes
  • 3.) Both have suggested the possibility that Jesus Christ could have been blond haired

I'll start with the blond Jesus evidence:

March 19th

TelephoneBaby, a confirmed sockpuppet of of WorldCreaterFighter, creates a section in a talk page where he suggests that Jesus could have been blond:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Race_and_appearance_of_Jesus#I_see_no_reference_of_Jesus_being_described_as_blonde

Quite from diff (note space behind question mark, a characteristic trait of his)

"What about the description of Jesus having blue eyes and golden hair ? Why isn't this included. He could have been blonde and blue eyes but not necessarily European type but the Jewish type."

April 13

Shinoshijak suggests that Jesus Christ was blond haired at talk:blond. I quote him below. Note the spaces before the question marks, which I bolded:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Blond&diff=prev&oldid=950762509

"The historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth is both long-established and widespread. There is cultural perception of Jesus being blond haired all of the world, but there is no definitive physical or archaeological evidence, and we also don't see him being mentioned iny any of the Europe or Asia section. So why is Hunan201 trying to make both Huangdi and Bodonchar Munkhag as real life figures, and trying to make it seem like that both of them confirmed blond haired figures ?"

The "blond Hmong" edits:

January 29

216.30.25.20, an IP address associated with DerekHistorian by ST47, made the following statement:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Descent_from_Genghis_Khan&diff=938208922&oldid=938051619

"Wether it's due to genetic mutation, recessive genes, caucasoid admixture the point is every light eyes, light hair Mongolians look Mongoloid or predominant Mongoloid. Nobody looks Caucasoid. Hmong have 0% Caucasoid admixture have these same light eyes traits"

April 12

Shinoshijak adds falsified references to blond, along with statements that the Hmong people of China were blond haired and blue eyed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blond&diff=prev&oldid=950563590

I later demonstrated these references had their publishing info falsified:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Blond#Misrepresentation_of_references_by_Shinoshijak Hunan201p (talk) 12:10, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]


EDIT: Added Queenplz for reasons discussed below. - Hunan201p (talk) 15:27, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]


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Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims. I'm definately not a sockpuppet account so please do check. Hunan201p was breaking wikipedia rules and I caught him breaking it, but he than reported me by cherrypicking few superficial similarity to get me banned. Hunan201p is known for accusing many different wikipedia users for not sharing his views. The links Hunan201p provided shows those acocunts talk about Jesus being blonde yet I'm saying there's no evidence he was blonde except in cultural perceptions. As for Hmong, I never said they have 0% Caucasoid admixture. They didn't mention Miao like I did. It's no surprise he reported Quishufang, Huxia, Queenplz and respectable editor Tobby72, with no evidence any of them being sock.

He is blantanty vandalizing and committing numerous acts of NPOV(Neutral point of view), WEASEL (Manual of Style/Words to watch), FRINGE THEORIES (prevailing from mainstream views). He also keeps adding every historical ethnic groups on the Asia blond section to make it seem like everyone of them were Caucasoid despite none of the ethnic groups corresponds with modern day ethnic groups and historical figures. He does not provide any anthropology and genetic evidence on all the ethnic groups he has edited but strangely enough he would remove works of experienced editors with reputation such as Tobby72 and Krakkos with genetic and anthropology evidence. He also argues with many respected editors he doesn't agree with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hunan201p , you can see has a history of disrupting and mis-using wikipedia rules, removing everything that he doesn't like.

He avoided talking on the talk page right I CAUGHT him removing the edits of Evergreen which had removed his edit of Bodonchar Munkhag having blonde hair. He than decided to report me because of this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Blond#Hunan201%27s_vandalism_and_mileading_edits_on_this_page -Shinoshijak (talk) , 18 April 2020

Notice the phrase Shinoshijak used, "please do check". That same exact phrase was used by another account, Queenplz, who I linked to WorldCreaterFighter in the Qiushufang investigation below. Queenplz was also involved in an edit war over Genghis Khan's hair color:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=950263958
Queenplz quote:
"PLEASE DO CHECK. I'm completely new to wikipedia, I not a sockuppet or whatever."
This is the investigation where I linked Queenplz to WorldCreaterFighter:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Qiushufang#11_April_2020
If Queenplz and Shinoshijak are so unafraid of being checked it should be noted by the admins. Could explain something. - Hunan201p (talk) 15:08, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to have Queenplz checked against Shinoshijak. - Hunan201p (talk) 15:11, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Noticed you didn't mention all her edits are mobile ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Queenplz

This is how your list of contribution from 11th of April had looked like. Half of it's about you accusing Qiushufang and Queenplz ( I read everything about all your months of sad and unfair accusations. I have very good knowledge of you, so you can forget about trying those same accusation tricks.)[222]

however if it makes you feel better in some way, by all means go ahead and have my account checked

best of luck

regards. Shinoshijak (talk) , 18 April 2020

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14 May 2020

Suspected sockpuppets


Ruuchuu restored[223] same edit of the blocked IP of this sockmaster[224] which was blocked by Berean Hunter. Wareon (talk) 05:59, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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21 May 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

Edits on Turkmens and Blond. Also knows very much about wikipedia. After "returning" to Wikipedia, the first thing he do is restoring an old edit on Turkmens. See a sock of WorldCreaterFighter's edit always the same. Plus Asian related edits. Beshogur (talk) 15:41, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Checkuser is necessary because I think the sockmaster may have a sockfarm; e.g. another user with similar edits and targeted articles. --Wario-Man (talk) 05:01, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also Shinoshijak's and Queenplz's edits are very similar. Even if they're not related with WorldCreaterFighter, there's a possibility that all these accounts are ruled by one person. Beshogur (talk) 15:34, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Was it not necessary to inform me? After all I was the one that suggested in the Beshogur talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Beshogur to open a sockpuppet investigation.

Accusing someone of being sock is a serious accusation, but he did that on the [225] 08:44, 20 May 2020 which says: Undid revision 957712427 by Kezo2005 (talk) sock and also against Queenplz in 20:43, 15 April 2020‎ Undid revision 951151524 by Queenplz (talk) sock.

I also asked him to leave a discussion on talkpage [226]. That WorldCreaterFighter does not have a history of editing women in Islam, Afrikaners, Asian people, blond, red hair, and yellow emperor. Seems more related to Mongols, Chinese languages, Turks, Wars ect. I don't know what evidence he is basing that "I'm WorldCreaterFighter." I can only guess that he previously did edits on the Turkmen page and added genetics similar to mine and other editors, but that doesn't mean he owns the genetic material with multiple sourced references.

I'm also aware that in the revision history, Beshogur had helped account user Hunan201p (currently banned for 3 months, reason for disrupt editing and accusing many of being socks such as WorldCreaterFighter)[227]. Beshogur had also helped Hunan201p do the same thing.

I see nothing wrong by having a addition of genetics on Turkmen but for some reason Hunan201p and Beshogur seems reluctant.

To not allow genetics on Turkmen seems really suspicious, especially since this relates to Hunan201p, and Beshogur doing the exact same thing. You say Queenplz and Shinoshijak edits are similar? According to the now currently blocked Hunan201p who opened 3 sockpuppet investigations, check user unrelated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hunan201p#Block_and_unblock

As one being accused I'm also curious to know from my accusers, why are Beshogur and Hunan201p edits so similar? Both like accusing accounts as socks, both also remove haplogroup genetics on Turkmen page, both also like to accuse others of being WorldCreaterFighter, both are always editing info about Turkic people. I could be wrong, but it would seem (Purely speculation on my part) that they may be socks of each other; or do they just happen to have a common enemy?

NOTE:(So after over a decade inactive with Wikipedia, I decided that there are too many instances of racial/ethnocentric bias on this platform; as don't like seeing racially motivated edits here I plan to take a more active role, as we all must be vigilant especially since there has been an increased presence of racial/ethnocentric influences online!) Kezo2005 (talk) 16:54, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Kezo2005 is Red X Unrelated to WCF. Closing.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 15:34, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

26 December 2020

Suspected sockpuppets

LightFromABrightStar is currently blocked as as an independent sockmaster. Sockpuppets of LightFromABrightStar were engaged both in edit warring and collaborative editing with WorldCreaterFighter:

Given the similar types of behavior and interests, it seems probable to me that LightFromABrightStar is a sockpuppet of WorldCreaterFighter, and that the LightFromABrightStar case should me merged into this one. Krakkos (talk) 11:28, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

81.10.217.91 has since early 2020 been making complex edits at topics frequented by WorldCreaterFighter. The IP clearly belongs to an experienced Wikipedian. WorldCreaterFighter has frequently been editing from Austrian IPs. Similarities between 81.10.217.91 and WorldCreaterFighter are displayed at numerous articles:

The Commons user Anusic99 is a newly created sock which clearly belongs to the user who edits from 81.10.217.91.[261][262] A check for sleepers might be able to detect additional socks. Krakkos (talk) 12:38, 26 December 2020 (UTC) Krakkos (talk) 12:38, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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23 November 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

2001:4BC9:911:EE16:7145:5476:354C:9D9A sticks to RobertoY20's contributions in Genetic history of East Asians. 4BC9:911:EE16:7145:5476:354C:9D9A's diff1, 4BC9:911:EE16:7145:5476:354C:9D9A's diff2, RobertoY20's diff etc. These IPv6 IPs are adept at editing, despite having no previous contributions. And the three IPv6 IPs look very similar and are all Austrian IPs. Most of the Confirmed and suspected IP socks of World Create Fighter were Austrian IPs. RobertoY20 has the same editorial form as WorldCreaterFighter's habitual behaviors. RobertoY20 and WorldCreaterFighter believe that East Asians originated only in Southeast Asia, and tend to favor a pro-Southeast Asian/Austronesian alignment such as for the origins of the Jōmon and Ainu peoples. diff1, diff2, diff3, diff4, diff5, diff6, diff7, diff8, diff9, diff10, diff11, diff12, diff13, etc. Meanwhile, 46.125.250.27, 46.125.250.29, 213.162.73.85, 213.162.73.217, 213.142.97.112, these very similar Austrian IPs have recently contributed to Genetic history of East Asians and Jōmon people. 46.125.250.27's diff, 46.125.250.29's diff, 213.142.97.112's diff etc. these IPs are very similar to World Creator Fighter's IPs. SsSsSs0909 (talk) 15:46, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Additional evidence: 2001:4bc9:924:6356:e52b:2951:ff6b:600c, a new Austrian IP to repeat the same argument appeared on the article's talk page. diff--SsSsSs0909 (talk) 09:30, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Not sure if I should make a comment here, but something does seem really off about the filer in question. The filer was created about 2 weeks ago (November 10th, to be accurate), and this is suspicious behavior. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 11:33, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@DarkMatterMan4500: Although not written in this report, I already reported copyright violation files (even arbitrarily distorted) uploaded by HunanZH, who turned out to be WorldCreaterFighter's sock account on Wikimedia. And the IPs used in Wikipedia for the HunanZH's files were all Austrian IPs. diff1, diff2, diff3, diff4 etc.--SsSsSs0909 (talk) 14:15, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I guess? DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 14:26, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I signed up to report obvious copyright violations.--SsSsSs0909 (talk) 14:30, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Correction: Sorry. It was a few weeks ago, so my memories are mixed. I check the log and summarize it, it is as follows. 1. I found a distorted file in the Japanese people article.[263][264] 2. The uploader was HunanZH.[265] 3. I recognized that HunanZH was blocked because it was the LTA's sock.[266][267] 4. I read the LTA's project page.[268] I went through the page linked in steps 1 to 4 and reported some copyright violation files, but I was mistaken for reporting HunanZH's files. After reading the project page, I suspected that Baikal13 and Mev Shreb were also the LTA's socks, so I arbitrarily judged them as the same person.[269][270] If in doubt, take a good look at my contributions history.--SsSsSs0909 (talk) 03:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's easy to understand if you look at Japanese people's revision history of November 10, 2021.[271]--SsSsSs0909 (talk) 05:21, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also see 213.162.68.237 involved in the distorted file.[272][273][274] This is the typical Austrian IP of the LTA.--SsSsSs0909 (talk) 05:50, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I respond as an accused user here: The user which created this report is currently in an edit dispute with me (I obviously use an IP address which changes after reconnecting with the internet (mobile phone)). The user made unconstructive changes by removing large parts of content and replacing it with hypotheses raised in an 2011 paper. I already explained that this is a violation of WP:Weight and WP:OR, but the user was not interested in my arguments, so I started a discussion with quoting inline citations. Than we had some exchanges, but the user does not seem to understand the problem of his edits and so on, so he started to make claims that I use socks, while I am simply editing with my IP. I suggest everyone to read this discussion here to get a better overview. I already requested third user opinion and I also explained the user his misinterpretations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Genetic_history_of_East_Asians#Southern/Northern_route_models_recent_unconstructive_edits

I hope this dispute can be settled.2001:4BC9:900:48C9:AD0A:75E7:4138:B9AA (talk) 11:07, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And btw, were do I edit or support anything about Austronesians or Jomon? The dispute here is about if ancestors of East Asians used a northern or southern route (see discussion linked above). I pointed that these kind of edits are unconstructive and have misleading edit summaries:[1][2]. (Replacing content with copy paste sentences of a 2011 study.) It is kind of suspicious that the accusing user knows more about this sock puppet thing than me, and I ask myself how a new user find all these things out of nowhere?2001:4BC9:900:48C9:AD0A:75E7:4138:B9AA (talk) 11:14, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  •  1.75x amplified ultimate quack of ultimate destiny I have so far chosen to ignore this new report, even if this is actually an obvious case, because the drama (bordering on troll fests) surrounding these SPIs is just as disruptive or even more disruptive than the actual edits made by the LTA. In the past year or so, I have chosen simply to quietly revert or cleanup their mess, or in few cases went to RPP. But now that I am even pinged[275], I have to throw in these 2 cents of mine. Being canvassed by an LTA is a bad experience. –Austronesier (talk) 11:27, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am informing you all, that I, the accused IP, created an account to respond and create a SPI against three users, one is SsSsSs0909. This account can be deactivated or blocked after wards, or I may instead rename it and stop editing with IP, but only logged in. Please see this report and the mentioned evidence regarding SsSsSs0909 :[3]. I am 2001:4bc9:920:f3f4:1da:3ee3:8537:c81b.ToRespond (talk) 07:02, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I recommend checking the filer.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:52, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

21 December 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

Obvious WP:DUCK. The user page says "Hi I'm X from Korea" like many other socks before (e.g. AsadalEditor), and jumps straight into Negrito, a favorite page of WCF-socks.

Diffs with the recently blocked sock User:Lankaman20:

In both edits, they cite the same studies, and erroneously call a Paleolithic specimen from Wallacea (Leang Panninge on Sulawesi) "Negrito".

There's also a giveaway typo in their edit summaries, which I can specify to a clerk via email if needed. Austronesier (talk) 20:58, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This case is being reviewed by Jack Frost as part of the clerk training process. Please allow him to process the entire case without interference, and pose any questions or concerns either on his talk page or on this page if more appropriate.

22 December 2021

Suspected sockpuppets


In light of the recent SPI case (opened 21 December 2021) I just want to make sure that Vamlos isn't a sock of WorldCreaterFighter.


Compare Vamlos's edits at Negrito with the banned WorldCreaterFighter sock, Lankaman20:

This editor shows a lot of interest in Russo-Japanese affairs, Chinese ethnography, Southeast Asians/Papuans, etc...

Also, I am apparently not alone in my suspicions. See a discussion at Austronesier's talk page:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Austronesier#Sockpuppet_case?


"Is Vamlos (User:Vamlos) identical to DerekHistorian (or WorldCreaterFighter) (User:DerekHistorian)? His edit style and topics are nearly identical. You have some knowledge about this user/users. What do you think?"


Hunan201p (talk) 19:12, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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26 December 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

Behavioral evidence already has been presented in an earlier SPI:

At that time, @RobertoY20 was stale, but they have made a dozen in the last few days, so their account should allow for a CheckUser now. Austronesier (talk) 19:51, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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27 December 2021

Suspected sockpuppets


This IP user shows up at a talk page discussion that RobertoY20 (WorldCreaterFighter) had been manipulating.

  • [280] RobertoY20, most recent WorldCreaterFighter alt
  • [281] (IP edits his own talk page sections shortly after ban)
  • [282] (IP complains to Erminwin, accuses me of being WCF.)

Hunan201p (talk) 15:04, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The IP hasn't edited in a few days. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:49, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

28 December 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

  • [283] (Turukkaean, a recently banned WorldCreaterFighter alt)

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The IP hasn't edited in a few days. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:49, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

22 February 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Refiling this (encouraged by Drmies), even though a recent CheckUser could not confirm @Vamlos as a sock of WorldCreaterFighter. I believe this mismatch is due to the fact that two LTAs were incorrectly merged into one in the past, and @Vamlos simply does not correspond to socks that are related to the infamous "Austrian IP" which has been pivotal in more recent CheckUser cases.

Behavioral evidence however clearly links @Vamlos to DerekHistorian (talk · contribs). Both @Vamlos and @DerekHistorian share a similar edit range, revolving around a) certain indigenous ethnic groups of East and Southeast Asia such as Ainu people or Orang Asli and b) "interracial" marital/sexual relations, often including coerced relations and prostitution.

  • "Interracial" marital/sexual relations (including coerced relations and prositution)

All these diffs also display a similar citation style: title, "by" author + bare URL with common geolocation.

This diff[290] by another old confirmed sock of WorldCreaterFighter combines both topic ranges (Ainu people + "interracial" marital/sexual relations) and the particular citation style.

Note that the "Austrian IP" (Satoshi Kondo (talk · contribs), AsadalEditor (talk · contribs) etc.) also edits pages about indigenous ethnic groups of East and Southeast Asia, but is not obsessed with "interracial" marital/sexual relations, but more actively tampers with content in pages about genetics and language families.

There clearly is a link between @DerekHistorian and the "Austrian IP"; they often meet up for drama (the wackiest example is probably this one) and probably extend a wider off-WP rivalry here to Wikipedia. But I am quite sure that these are two individuals which better should not be conflated in one SPI thread. Or at least, SPI clerks should be aware of these two different individuals behind the never-ending abusive editing and sockpuppetry. Austronesier (talk) 21:11, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ivanvector: Another one has flown into my radar[291] (with the topics Ainu people and forced inter-ethnic marriages) who I expect to be identical to Vamlos (= DerekHistorian and others). –Austronesier (talk) 21:15, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Vamlos and DerekHistorian are pretty obviously the same person; per evidence gleaned from the editor interaction analyzer (in particular try [292] [293], and compare [294] with [295]). Technically they are at least  Possible though DH is quite stale. Also:
Also  Confirmed:
The three groups are at least  Likely to each other, but  Behavioural evidence needs evaluation. The confirmed accounts have been blocked. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 22:41, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Austronesier: Vagrooti is Red X Unrelated, technically. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:26, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is kind of complicated, which probably explains why it's been sitting in the queue for 3 weeks. I applied the tags that seemed to make sense based on the discussion. Everybody's already blocked, so it doesn't seem worth the effort to dig much deeper. Closing. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:14, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

11 March 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Things ducks say:


[296] 81.10.217.91, proposed sockpuppet

[297] (46.125.250.15 is listed as a suspected sock at his LTA page)

[298] (46.125.250.90 is listed as a suspected sock at his LTA page)


[299] 81.10.217.91, proposed sockpuppet

[300] (46.125.250.46 is listed as a suspected sock at his LTA page)

[301] 81.10.217.91, proposed sockpuppet

[302] (46.125.250.32 is listed as a suspected sock at his LTA page). Note the proximity of these edits to the Namio Egami reference.

Round Two

[303] 2001:4BC9:923:66B0:B4D9:9293:9C85:6780, proposed sock

[304] (80.243.173.100 listed as a suspected sock at his LTA page).

Thank you for your time. -- Hunan201p (talk) 13:49, 11 March 2022 (UTC) Hunan201p (talk) 13:49, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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13 March 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

And here's another one, and quite a WP:DUCK.

Evidence:

a) The user assumes a randomly chosen ethnicity and announces their interest in (archaeo-)genetics, like many other socks before:

b) Like earlier socks, GanjDareh4 makes use of blockquotes to lend their pet POVs extra visual weight:

c) And finally, a tell-tale spelling error in the edit summary:

The range of articles which they have edited so far does not show much overlap with earlier socks (AFAICS), but the topic of their edits (most of it genetics, focusing on "East Asian" geneflow; linguistic classification) falls well within the range of earlier confirmed socks. – Austronesier (talk) 10:26, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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21 March 2022

Suspected sockpuppets


  • Whhu22's edits are mostly concerned with reverting, and then restoring, edits by WCF. Most of the WCF edits restored by Whhu22 are about Asian/Eurasian geneflow.[313][314][315][316] Adding content on Asian/Eurasian geneflow is typical of WCF.[317][318][319][320] Whhu22's edit summaries[321] are very similar to newly confirmed WCF sock GanjDareh4.[322] Whhu22 and GanjDareh4 were both created on 8 February.
  • Heiwajima20Ip was like Whhu22 and GanjDareh4 created in February. Like Whhu22, he went on an edit spree on 16 March 2022, the day after GanjDareh4 and other WCF socks had been uncovered. Heiwajima20Ip's main contributions are on "Eurasian geneflow" in Central Asia.[323][324] This content on "Eurasian geneflow" was initially added a few hours earlier at Genetic studies on Turkish people by User:2001:4bc9:812:d505:c97c:fae3:ad2b:b3cd,[325], which belongs to the same range as a blocked IP sock of WCF.[326] A few laters later, Heiwajima20Ip made modifications to the edits at Genetic studies on Turkish people by WCF's IP sock.[327] Krakkos (talk) 19:21, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims. Here is another new user ([328]) with the same interests in genetics/geneflow and also reverting back to versions by blocked user Whhu22, after this sock account got blocked: [329]. @RoySmith:.BambaraKaya (talk) 13:48, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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22 March 2022

Suspected sockpuppets


  • Andymoshi's edits[330], are mostly concerned with genetics, ethnic groups, and restoring, edits by WCF (specifically Whhu2)[331]. Adding content on geneflow and mixing (population/race related topics) is typical of WCF[332][333][334], including edits about Asian/Eurasian geneflow[335]. Andymoshi's edit summaries are very similar to newly confirmed WCF sock GanjDareh4.[336][337] and Whhu22 and Heiwajima20Ip. All were created on or became very active in February 2022. Long, argumentative edit summaries are also typical for WCF ([338]). Another indicative evidence is the profile description, stating interest in genetic topics and the motivation to 'undo vandalism and bias' ([339]). Compare to nearly identical descriptions and edit summaries by Vamlos or AsadalEditor, or GanjDareh4, or Magyarrider[340] [341] . Compare also to previous SPI cases above. His first edit instantly started with adding and editing genetic topics in the article Ethiopians[342]. BambaraKaya (talk) 14:56, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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29 March 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

User continues to misrepresent ethnic related data on "Genetic History of Africa" article. Long rant typical of him at 19:28, 27 March 2022. Tried to single out Omotic speakers as unadmixed even though I clearly provided him with sources. After agreeing with me he went in and tried to do the same thing again (15:12, 29 March 2022‎). Tried to single out Semitic speakers as having for prevalence of a Eurasian ancestral component ("Ethio-Somali") that actually peaks in Cushitic groups, and only budged after a long drawn out conversation on that Talk Page (see 15:52, 27 March 2022‎) Tried to change an ancestral component common to all groups in the Horn to single out Omotic-speakers (21:12, 26 March 2022) There's more that I called him out on on the talk page and in the edit summaries Efekadu (talk) 23:54, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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04 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

This IP has not been very active, but one of their edits caught my eye where they inserted text with a manipulated quote from a new journal article (the phrase "Malay Negrito groups" in the quote from Hoh et al. (2002) is actually "modern Malays" in the original text):

The same manipulated quote was added a while ago in this talk post by a blocked sock IP:

(The Proxy Checker says this is a Proxy/VPN. I wonder if this is related to recent unsuccessful CU's of otherwise obvious ducks.) Austronesier (talk) 20:02, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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09 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Users is obviously a duck (or sleeper account) of the previously blocked WCF sub-sock of user Vamlos[343] and DerekHistorian[344]. Similar edit styles, grammar and interest of the newly created sock account "Tommyranger"[345], especially on the page Ainu people[346] and Uyghurs[347] and Xinjiang Tarim mummies[348], as well as using outdated racialist terms and views, such as Caucasoid or Europid, for which Vamlos got blocked. eg.[349] The edits of interest of WCF are clear matching, with occasional edits on another topic, a typical pattern observed among WCF, specifically AsasadalEditor, and reverting his own edits or altering them, as seen in the recent case of the sock account Whhu22[350].2001:4BC9:A45:EEAC:10F6:3F6D:489E:7B4C (talk) 22:55, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Even more clear is the link to Vamlos by specific edis at this page:[351] and [352]. Compare to Vamlos [353] and [354] and many more similar topic related edits.2001:4BC9:A45:EEAC:10F6:3F6D:489E:7B4C (talk) 23:06, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I would check the filer in this case... - Hunan201p (talk) 04:28, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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09 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

So we got here by way of Vamlos (and DerekHistorian)--see User talk:213.162.80.160. Tommyranger turns out to be Shadowah also (which is why we're here), and Spacecars931, and Vamlos. All are CU blocked, but not tagged. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 14:07, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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@Drmies: I am 99% sure that 213.162.80.160 (talk · contribs), the person pretending to help you, is WorldCreaterFighter. See similar edits by the LTA accounts:

Example section from Erminwin's talk page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Erminwin#Recent_edits_on_Xiongnu

Note the identical accusations to those made on the talk page of 213.162.80.160 (talk · contribs), same word usage; specifically throwing around accusations of "racialism", and accusing me of being linked to Tigril34.

WorldCreaterFighter's new strategy seems to be WP:GHBH, as revealed to me by @Austronesier:. He's causing lots of trouble and wasting our time again. - Hunan201p (talk) 17:44, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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12 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets


This may be a case of WP:GHBH, which WorldCreaterFighter has been running lately. KinhyaKing removed content added by Tommyranger (talk · contribs), who restored content removed by Whhu22 (talk · contribs). Whhu22 is a confirmed WP:GHBH sock of WorldCreaterFighter.

These edits look like classical GHBH that would have favored WorldCreaterFighter's position. WorldCreaterFighter is especially concerned with uniparental haplogroups, and would have wanted the Uyghur info removed.


[355] (Whhu22, 16 March)

[356] (Tommyranger reverts Whhu22, 6 April)

[357] (KinhyaKing reverts Tommyranger, 9 April)


Thanks for your attention. - Hunan201p (talk) 04:43, 12 April 2022 (UTC) Hunan201p (talk) 04:43, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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15 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Apart from the usual undue promotion of new genetic studies ("Another study in 2021 concluded..") and the Asian topic range, this editor has made edits to Native Indonesians that use text which is very similar to text that was added by a previous sock in Negritos:

  • Arkiat:[358] The hunter-gatherer individual had approximately ~50% "Basal-East Asian" ancestry, and was positioned in between modern East Asians (including Andamanese Onge), and Papuans/Aboriginal Australians of Oceania. The authors concluded that East Asian-related ancestry expanded much earlier into Maritime Southeast Asia than previously suggested, long before the expansion of Austroasiatic and Austronesian groups.
  • Lankaman20:[359] The Negrito sample had approximatelly ~50% "Basal-East Asian" ancestry, and was positioned in between modern East Asians and Papuans of Oceania. The authors concluded that this shows that East Asian-related ancestry expanded much earlier than previously suggested, long before the expansion of Austroasiatic and Austronesian groups.

The IP editor @5.61.62.144 (apparently using a proxy) has added material in Malays_(ethnic_group) that is very similar to another piece of text added by @Arkiat:

  • Arkiat:[360] Another study in 2021 concluded that distinctive Basal-East Asian ancestry originated in Mainland Southeast Asia at ~50,000BC, and expanded through multiple migration waves southwards and northwards respectively. Basal-East Asian ancestry, as well as later Austroasiatic-associated ancestry, spreaded into Maritime Southeast Asia prior to the Austronesian expansion. Austronesian-speakers themself are suggested to have arrived on Taiwan and the northern Philippines between 10,000BC to 7,000BC from coastal southern China. The authors concluded that the Austronesian expansion into Insular Southeast Asia and Polynesia was outgoing from the Philippines rather than Taiwan, and that modern Austronesian-speaking people have largely ancestry from the earliest Basal-East Asians, Austroasiatic migrants from Mainland Southeast Asia, and Austronesian-speaking seafarers from the Philippines, with out much admixture from previous groups.
  • 5.61.62.144:[361] A study in 2021 concluded that a distinctive Basal-East Asian lineage (sometimes termed as 'East- and Southeast Asian lineage' (ESEA)), which is ancestral to modern East and Southeast Asians, Polynesians, and Siberians, originated in Mainland Southeast Asia at ~50,000BC, and expanded through multiple migration waves southwards and northwards respectively. Basal-East Asian ancestry, as well as later Austroasiatic-associated ancestry, spreaded into Maritime Southeast Asia prior to the Austronesian expansion. Austronesian-speakers themself are suggested to have arrived on Taiwan and the northern Philippines between 10,000BC to 7,000BC from coastal southern China, and spreaded from their throughout Insular Southeast Asia. The authors concluded that the Austronesian expansion into Insular Southeast Asia and Polynesia was outgoing from the Philippines rather than Taiwan, and that modern Austronesian-speaking peoples, such as the Malays, have largely ancestry from the earliest Basal-East Asians, Austroasiatic migrants from Mainland Southeast Asia, and Austronesian-speaking seafarers from the Philippines, with out much admixture from previous groups.

- Austronesier (talk) 07:01, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genetic_history_of_East_Asians&diff=1056639261&oldid=1056405177
  2. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genetic_history_of_East_Asians&diff=1056758450&oldid=1056745579
  3. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/VeryGoodBoy
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